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David's World News Service

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Feb 13, 2004, 2:35:24 PM2/13/04
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Do dogs in the sporting group at the Westminster Dog Show have to prove
their self in field trials, before they can show at this event?

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David P. Morris

Steve Wagle

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Feb 16, 2004, 3:49:18 PM2/16/04
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David's World News Service wrote:
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> Do dogs in the sporting group at the Westminster Dog Show have to prove
> their self in field trials, before they can show at this event?
>

No..

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Dawg

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Feb 16, 2004, 3:49:15 PM2/16/04
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nope, but they should look at the difference between a bench ESS or a wiem
compared to a field trial dog
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Jeff Swedran

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Feb 16, 2004, 3:49:16 PM2/16/04
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The only requirement to enter the Westminister Dog Show is that the dog
must be a Champion of record in the conformation ring. Titles go in front
of the dog's name and certificates go after the dog's name. One mistake was
made by David Frei in that he said, in the case of the Flat-Coat, "water
certificate". WC stands for working certificate which is a breed specific
field certificate test.

Emily Carroll

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Feb 16, 2004, 3:49:16 PM2/16/04
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Nope.

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Nope. That's why lots of hunting types would just as soon not see their
favorite breed become popular on the akc show circuit.

David's World News Service

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Feb 19, 2004, 11:42:11 AM2/19/04
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How sad! Westminster logo has a Pointing Dog in it. Another case of lost
soles!
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Nope. That's why lots of hunting types would just as soon not see their

Ivana Marinkovic

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Feb 20, 2004, 1:06:50 PM2/20/04
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:49:18 -0600, Steve Wagle <swa...@RADIKS.NET> posted:

>David's World News Service wrote:
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>> Do dogs in the sporting group at the Westminster Dog Show have to prove
>> their self in field trials, before they can show at this event?
>>
>
>No..

It's different here with the FCI. _All_ of the hunting breeds have to do some
form of hunt test for an INT CH title. National championship requirements may
vary, but in the hunting breeds I believe they are same all over as with the
international titles. There's been some dual champions around.

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Donald Black

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Feb 23, 2004, 12:33:35 PM2/23/04
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No not at all. Just be winners in conformation

Sionnach

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Feb 23, 2004, 12:33:32 PM2/23/04
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> Nope.

Correct. AKC conformation showing is a beauty contest, pure and simple,
and IMO an AKC "Championship" is a joke. All it means is that the dog looks
and moves purty.


>That's why lots of hunting types would just as soon not see their
> favorite breed become popular on the akc show circuit.

Yep. And why, in many breeds, the dogs that win in the show ring don't
look at all like dogs who are bred for working ability. This is especially
noticable in Labradors and Golden Retrievers, and even more so if you
compare show-ring Whippets and Greyhounds to their counterparts actually
bred for either hunting or racing.
It's starting to get noticable in Border Collies, too- working-dog people
in that breed often refer to the show-ring dogs as "Barbie Collies".

Jim H

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Mar 1, 2004, 3:47:08 PM3/1/04
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No, Westminster is a confirmation show. I attended the show this month and
talked to quite a few of the dog owners. I was suprised to find that a good
number of these dogs are also run at field trials! I just assumed that
field trial and confirmation worlds didn't meet.

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RANDY & PEG

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Mar 1, 2004, 3:47:09 PM3/1/04
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no and isn't that sad...

Sionnach

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> No, Westminster is a confirmation show.

Um... minor nitpick: it's not a conFIRMation show. It's a conFORMation
show; as in how well the dogs conform to the breed standard, and/or how
they are formed.


> I just assumed that
> field trial and confirmation worlds didn't meet.

It depends on the breed, I think.

Jo Wolf

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Mar 3, 2004, 2:21:34 PM3/3/04
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The folks with Chesapeake Bay Retrievers seem to be "dual"
(conformation and field) or even "triple" (add obedience) in high
proportion, as do the new kids on the block with Nova Scotia Duck
Tolling Retrievers, and the Flat Coat Retriever owners.... Viszla
owners, too.

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

Frank Morris

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Mar 4, 2004, 12:20:24 PM3/4/04
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Howdy All,
We are starting to see a difference in show Salukis and field Salukis.
The breed that really shows a difference is Greyhounds. The show dogs
are tall and elegant. The track and field hounds are smaller and more
muscular.

Frank X. Morris
http://community.webtv.net/Sulkhalil/SalukiCornerChime

Frank Thompson

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Mar 5, 2004, 1:36:49 PM3/5/04
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significant difference in pointing breeds also


On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:20:24 -0600, Frank Morris <Sulk...@webtv.net>
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>Howdy All,
> We are starting to see a difference in show Salukis and field Salukis.
>The breed that really shows a difference is Greyhounds.

My correct e-mail address is gno52 (not gn52)
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Ron M.

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Mar 11, 2004, 2:46:37 PM3/11/04
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> > Do dogs in the sporting group at the Westminster Dog Show have to prove
> > their self in field trials, before they can show at this event?

> Nope. That's why lots of hunting types would just as soon not see their


> favorite breed become popular on the akc show circuit.

Sad, indeed. Look at the Standard Poodle, for example. At one time it
was a top notch water retriever. Look at it now. It's pitiful to hear
the emcee jabbering about how "those puffs of hair keep his feet warm
in the frigid waters he was bred to swim..."

I hunt with a very intense, rugged Chesapeake Bay Retriever, a breed
that almost never wins Best of Group, much less Best of Show. Chessies
are too intelligent, serious and practical to win these silly foo-foo
contests.

Some chessie people are offended by this, while others are relieved,
because you're absolutely right: for almost any breed, becoming
popular on the AKC circuit is the Kiss of Death.

Ron M.

Terry Chandler

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Mar 15, 2004, 1:46:20 PM3/15/04
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Teri Keefe

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Mar 15, 2004, 10:51:28 PM3/15/04
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