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Erik D. Freeman

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The Canadian Menace by Archfiend
Military analysts have noted quite a bit of suspicious activity in recent
months North of the American border. Canada has called up all of its
reserves and has mobilized almost its entire force on the US/Canadian
border. Responses from Canadian diplomats on the subject have been less than
enlightening.
"Nothing for you yanks to worry about, eh?" said the Canadian ambassador to
the US.
However, some people have become concerned that Canada is planning an
invasion of the United States. Noted Canada expert Jean Sandusky believes
this may be the case.
"It hasn't been widely reported but Canadian text books no longer have a
country called the "United States" in them. 5 years ago the name "United
States" was replaced by "New Canada."
There have been other disturbing signs that the Canadian population has been
preparing for war as well. Consider this story from American baseball fan
Tony Tarano.
"So I'm going up to a Blue Jays game a couple of days ago right? I get
completely lost and I stop in this small town for directions. So I pull into
this gas station and I notice these guys across the street in a field.
They're putting this spiked armor on a moose! Then I notice they must have
had a 100 moose, meese, Hell I don't what you call 'em, but they had a
hundred of 'em, armored up and looking scarier than all Hell. Then I notice
there are dozens of Canadians breaking Molson beer bottles and taping knives
on the ends of their hockey sticks. I didn't know what the Hell they were
doing and I sure wasn't going to ask. All I know is that I got back on the
highway and high tailed it straight for home as fast I could."
Of course not everyone thinks we have anything to worry about. Fox News
commentator Bill O'Reilly had this to say on the subject of "The Canadian
Menace".
"C'mon, Canada? What are they going to do, skate down here and throw rocks
at us?
After being asked about O'Reilly's comments at a press conference earlier
today, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien agreed that a Canadian invasion
of America was too ridiculous to contemplate.
"Canada invade America? How silly. We have been allies and partners in peace
for so long. Of course, our historical claim on the North Eastern United
States is obvious when you look at Canadian history. I'm also not sure how
Canadians have restrained themselves from retaliating for the outrageous
slander in American movies like "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" and
"Canadian Bacon". Furthermore, our intelligence indicates that American
forces are stretched to breaking point by the 'War on Terrorism' and I doubt
if they could withstand a Canadian invasion right now. But New Cana.America
has nothing to worry about."
Then Mr. Chretien broke into a long, maniacal, burst of laughter as the
reporters filed nervously from the room.

*.*

Sign in Chinese pet store: "Buy one dog, get one flea."

There are two sides to every divorce--yours and Shithead's.

I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person
you want to annoy for the rest of your life.

I am a nobody, and* nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect.

How come we choose from just two people to run for President and 50
for Miss America?

Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing
section in a swimming pool?

I married my wife for her looks... but not the ones she's been giving
me lately!

*.*

Advice To Dumb Criminals
(based on what other dumb criminals have done)

If you plan to commit a crime and run from the police on foot...
*Do* pick a more subtle color to wear than bright yellow pants.

*Don't* invite a uniformed police officer into your home to chat about
a crime you witnessed if you have dope on the table in plain view.

When you go on a burglary spree *Do* ensure you have enough gas
in your vehicle to drive away from your crime scene.

"But I know the people who live here" is *Not* a valid justification
for burglarizing a neighbors house when they are out of town.

When an officer is demonstrating a field sobriety test *Don't* say,
"Well, I can't do that sober!" on camera, and then plead not guilty.

If you are going to steal a car *Do* pick one that will blend in traffic
better than a pearl white six door limo.

*Don't* answer a question with the phrase, "Who me?" when
you and the officer are the only people in a ten mile radius.

*Don't* repeat the question that the officer just asked. It's considered
a stall technique and it gives away the fact you are getting ready to
lie through your teeth.

*Don't* say, "I ain't got no dope. Why you wanna search my car?"
before the officer even introduces himself/herself on the traffic stop.

*Do* pick an alias you can spell before you lie to the police about
your name.

*Do* ensure the birthday you give matches the age you give when
lying about your birthday.

When you attempt to drop your dope on the ground when approached
by an officer, *Don't* bounce said dope off the toe of the officer's boot.

*Do* come up with something better to say than, "These aren't my
pants" when the officer finds dope or any other contraband in your
pocket.

If you are going to jump into a stranger's fenced back yard *Do* make
sure a police K-9 vehicle is not parked in the driveway.

*Don't* ask an off duty plain clothes officer in his privately owned
vehicle for a ride away from your crime scene.

If you leave your pants, car, and ID at a crime scene, the cops
*Will* probably be able to figure out who dunnit.

*.*

A British surgeon has carried out a pioneering operation to restore the
sight of a gorilla who was born blind. Romina, a 21-year-old Western lowland
gorilla at Bristol Zoo Gardens, west England, had congenital cataracts in
both eyes. Ophthalmic surgeon Jenny Watts from the Royal Hampshire County
Hospital in Winchester removed one cloudy cataract and replaced it with a
silicon lens -- the first such operation performed on an adult gorilla in
Europe, according to the zoo. Watts said the half-hour operation was no
different from treating a human for cataracts -- apart from a "pungent
aromatic smell" emanating from her hairy patient. "The hardest bit is the
anesthesia because it's critical to ensure that the gorilla remains
completely unconscious throughout the operation," Watts told Reuters Friday.

I'll Say!!!

*.*

Two CPA's were returning home from a client meeting. They
took the cheapest seats on the plane so they each were
occupying the center seat on opposite sides of the aisle.
They continued their discussion of the knotty tax problem
that had been the subject of their client meeting through
takeoff and meal service.

Finally, one of the passengers in an aisle seat offered to
trade places so they could talk and he could sleep.

After switching seats, one CPA said to the other that it
was the first time a tax discussion ever kept anyone awake.

Issue of the Times;

Who Really Won World War II? by Michael E. Kreca

Q: Why did the USA intervene in what became World War II?
A.: Because if we didn't, we'd now all speak German or Japanese.

Q. Who benefited the most from the defeat of Germany and Japan in WWII?
A. The USA.

This, with variations, has been the standard Q&A about the history of and
the events surrounding our entry into that war and usually ends further
discussion. But the standard answers, on closer examination, are just plain
wrong.

Why?

The first question first, since it takes a bit of detailed explanation.

The German General Staff, which had codenamed contingency
invasion/occupation plans for dozens of nations (even one for the
never-tried conquest of Switzerland called "Operation Christmas") had none
for the USA. Neither did the Japanese High Command. Neither nation's economy
was ever fully mobilized for total war to the extent the USA's and Great
Britain's had been. An invasion of North America would have required a major
and early commitment by Berlin and Tokyo of financial, human and material
resources to two forms of warfare, the first being large, long-range
strategic bomber, transport and fighter escort aircraft, something neither
Germany nor Japan had done. Both nations had superb short and medium range
fighter/interceptors and medium bombers, but no bombers like the four-engine
US B-17 or, later, the British Lancaster.

The second major and early commitment would have to have been to a sizable
"blue water" naval "long-range power projection" force. Germany (unlike
Japan) didn't have this and did not seriously plan on acquiring
it---something requiring numerous aircraft carriers, auxiliary and
amphibious ships, carrier-based combat and reconnaissance aircraft, plus a
sizable force of marines. There were minor proposals made early in the war
to build an aircraft carrier to be christened "Frederick the Great" along
with two large cruisers, all of which "land animal" Hitler soon nixed.

The German submarine threat, although still quite dire in W.W. II (thanks in
great part to FDR's long and controversial delay in ordering the Navy to
conduct aggressive antisubmarine warfare operations off the U.S. East
Coast), was not nearly as potent as it was in W.W. I. This was in large part
due to defensive seagoing escort and convoy tactics developed in 1917-18 and
improved submarine detection techniques, like active sonar, created in the
interwar years. Submarines alone could not effectively project broad-based,
large-scale offensive naval power great distances (something demonstrated
brilliantly by Admirals Nimitz, Mitscher and Halsey and the aircraft
carrier-based "task force" concept in the Pacific war against Japan).

The goal of the German U-boat campaign remained much the same as that in
W.W.I, chiefly defensive "commerce raiding;" attempts to cut off the flow of
needed supplies to Great Britain and, this time, to the USSR as well. Its
surface navy, consisting mainly of smaller sized "pocket" battleships as
well as cruisers and some destroyers and patrol boats, operated in much the
same commerce raider fashion - voyaging about individually attacking and
sinking tankers and freighters in the North and South Atlantic.

Germany's navy had not fought a major set-piece surface battle since Jutland
in 1916, in which it was tactically victorious against but strategically
defeated by the British. The Royal Navy forced the scuttling of the war's
most successful German surface commerce raider, the pocket battleship "Graf
Spee," off the Uruguayan coast at the end of 1939. The German Navy was
thrashed by the British in the smaller 1940 naval battle at Narvik, Norway,
the former losing several destroyers and patrol craft in that engagement. By
the time the battleship "Bismarck" was sent to the bottom in the fall of
1941, the German surface fleet threat was all but eliminated.

This was the illustrious naval record of a nation supposedly planning to and
capable of invading and conquering the USA?

Hitler failed to subdue Great Britain in 1940 (in good part due to the moral
strength of the Brits, a great deal of US aid, and because conquering
Britain was not part of the Fuehrer's eastern living space plan), so he
would have had little chance of succeeding against the much more distant,
much larger, more populous, and better-armed USA. Even Admiral Isoroku
Yamamoto (the chief planner of the Pearl Harbor attack) spoke warningly of
"a rifle behind every blade of grass" when discussions of invading the USA
came up.

A successful invasion of North America by both Nazi Germany and Japan would
have also required a high degree of interservice and binational coordination
and cooperation, something that even in the best of forces and times is
difficult to achieve and maintain. The Germans and Japanese, despite
appearances, were notorious for the utter lack of that, and given their
respective highly xenophobic beliefs in their own complete racial
superiority to any other group, there would have been little basis for any
significant long-term cooperation between them. Both Hitler and Tojo would
have also needed reliable and broad-based intelligence gathering and
interpretation assets, and a sizable "fifth-column" of active native
sympathizers here, something neither had in sufficient quality or quantity.
German military intelligence, the Abwehr, was already long compromised by
British spies - its longtime director, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, was an
active British sympathizer since the 1930s, while Japan's military and
diplomatic ciphers were quickly and easily broken.

Both nations' forces featured the glaring absence of sophisticated and
secure large-scale supply support and sizable long-range air, sea, and
ground transport capable of logistically sustaining a long offensive war
which was vital to any attacking force operating over long distances in
hostile territory. This major weakness of the Wehrmacht was first confirmed
on the Eastern Front in the fall of 1941 and by Japan early on in its war of
attrition in China and later in the Pacific campaigns against the Americans.
Authors Meirion and Sue Harries disclosed in their 1992 book "Soldiers of
The Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Imperial Japanese Army" that for each US
GI there was an average of four tons of material produced, for the Japanese
counterpart, an average of two pounds.

Furthermore, Germany (given the Fuehrer's erratic nature, disdain for the
daily tasks of governing and administration, and fixation on short-term
solutions for every problem) never pursued an advanced weapons project
(assault rifles, cruise and ballistic missiles, jet warplanes, atomic bombs)
for any sufficient length of time to make a real difference in combat. The
German "Atomic Association" was a quite pale and poorly funded and staffed
version of our Manhattan Project (due in large part to the previous "brain
drain" of numerous talented physicists out of Germany and into the USA and
Great Britain throughout the 1930s), and even that was directed more toward
development of a workable nuclear reactor for submarine propulsion, not an
atomic bomb. Japanese advanced weapons research was practically nonexistent.
Japan, whose government and military was long riddled with fierce,
often-bloody factional political intrigue, was at first glance better
prepared to mount an invasion of the USA given its large long-range
carrier-based navy. However, Tokyo would have been badly hampered in such an
attempt by its key strategic focus on a quickly completed regional
land/island war and its unwillingness or inability to exploit large-scale
submarine warfare.

Like Germany in the East, resource-poor Japan, via its "Greater East Asia
Co-Prosperity Sphere," was only interested in securing and consolidating
economic and territorial gains in a certain area of its own region (the
Asian mainland and the far Western Pacific islands), a politico-economic
relationship that Premier Tojo Hideki pointedly referred to as similar to
that of the USA's in regard to Latin America. There was the lack of
sufficient training, resources, and tactics to wage a long, decisive,
large-scale continental ground war that an invasion of North America would
have required---a lack reflected in Japan's costly and ultimately fatal
1937-45 stalemate in China. There was also Japan's stunning and bloody
defeat by the Red Army's large combined force of tanks, motorized infantry,
and long-range artillery at the pivotal but little-known Battle of Nomonhan
(on the Soviet-Manchurian border) in the summer of 1939. This battle exposed
several glaring, never-to-be-resolved weaknesses in the quality of Japanese
artillery, ground transport, tactics, and logistics and eventually led to a
Soviet-Japanese nonaggression pact that lasted until the final days of the
war.

Even Japan's raid on Pearl Harbor ended up more a fatally botched propaganda
stunt than a decisive strategic blow to mortally wound the US Pacific Fleet
and keep the USA from presumably getting in the way of the Greater East Asia
Co-Prosperity Sphere. It just got Japan in a war with an angry United States
that many in Tokyo knew couldn't be won; Admiral Yamamoto predicting at the
time Japan would exhaust its existing petroleum and fuel reserves by 1944.
For instance, despite the terrible images of death and destruction, many of
the ships sunk at their piers in the attack on Oahu were raised and
refitted. Most piers, drydocks, repair facilities, fuel bunkers and supply
depots were untouched or only slightly damaged by Japanese bombs.

And lastly, both Germany and Japan were notorious for consistently and
severely underestimating their adversaries and for quickly alienating and
then oppressing the vast majorities of the native populations of any country
they invaded, even ones that may have been initially sympathetic to the
invaders.

Worst of all, much of the above was already well known by the Roosevelt
administration before Pearl Harbor.

Neither Germany nor Japan planned for or could have launched a successful
invasion and occupation of the USA. It's that simple. Even the legions of
King George III nearly 200 years before, quite benign in contrast to those
of Berlin and Tokyo, were eventually worn down and booted out of what soon
became the USA.

But, again, why did we really intervene in what became World War II and who
benefited the most from the defeat of Germany and Japan?

By 1937-38, FDR's New Deal welfare state was an expensive, widely unpopular
and abject failure and was in serious danger of being all but thoroughly
dismantled by a hostile public and Supreme Court (which FDR openly and
foolishly tried to "pack" at the time, alienating many of his staunchest
supporters) and an increasingly combative Congress, many of its bitterest
critics being among Roosevelt's own ruling Democrats. So Franklin tried
another form of domestic socialism, a "warfare state" inaugurated under the
auspices of a pricey pork-barrel caper called "Lend-Lease," and he and his
successors had hit the jackpot for decades to come. Germany and Japan were
the perfect and convenient excuses for both FDR and Stalin to flex their
muscles on a global scale in a way that Marx and Lenin would have envied
(and, as Winston Churchill desired, to keep both of those nations from
emerging as major world players in their own right).

The conduct of the war all but guaranteed that. The Japanese bombing of
Pearl Harbor, as expected, quickly flattened a strong and influential US
noninterventionist movement that the Roosevelt administration (which
probably knew of Tokyo's plans well in advance and did everything it could,
legally and illegally, to provoke Tokyo into that "sneak attack") was
already viciously and unfairly trying to destroy, smear and discredit. Our
enemy was then presumably Japan, a nation to whom we had long sold large
subsidized amounts of our iron ore, scrap metal, and petroleum, all under
the provisions of a 1911 trade treaty that FDR had personally and suddenly
abrogated two years before.

While our GIs fought fiercely and died en masse in the Philippines and on
Guam and Wake Island in the face of the invading Japanese, FDR blatantly
wrote them off and pursued a "Europe First" policy. A key feature of this
policy included the immediate transfer of huge amounts of financial and
material aid to the recently-former German ally, Stalin's USSR, a nation
whose leaders, like those of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, openly cared
little for the supposed "democratic spirit" of the Atlantic Charter, and to
which FDR (with the traitorous Alger Hiss in tow) made an all but open
invitation at Yalta in February 1945 for it to occupy Eastern Europe.

Despite FDR's "Europe First," no US troops set foot in the subjugated
portions of the continent in any strategically significant numbers until
Operation Overlord in June 1944, by which time the Soviets were midway
through their massive broad-front push westward toward conquest of most of
Eastern Europe and a sizable portion of eastern Germany. The latter was
literally handed to the Soviets while our GIs were ordered to pull back and
let the Red Army grab Berlin and the surrounding areas, actions which
publicly infuriated Gen. George S. Patton and others. The notorious
"Operation Keelhaul," which forcibly sent millions of by then fiercely
anti-Communist Soviet POWs back to certain death in the USSR, was next put
into play.

In July 1945, at Potsdam, FDR/Churchill successors Harry Truman and Clement
Attlee respectively certified Stalin's hold on Eastern Europe as originally
proposed at Yalta. They also permitted him to break his 1941 nonaggression
pact with Tokyo and sweep into Manchuria, northern Korea, and Sakhalin
Island in the final days of the war against an all-but-beaten Japan. This
final act ensured Moscow an easily obtained, major role in the carving up of
the Far East into various spheres of influence. Japan's eventual self-defeat
in China (predicted by then-President Herbert Hoover in 1931 as part of his
refusal to ask Congress for US troops to aid the Chinese against Japanese
encroachment) and its collapse in the western Pacific opened up a large
power vacuum in Asia. In less than five years, this vacuum was quickly
filled in large part by Stalin's brutal trio of Asian Communist proteges -
Mao Tse-tung, Kim Il-Sung, and Ho Chi Minh - all with the prior blessings of
FDR and his Red-riddled "brain trust."

The winner of W.W. II, tragically, was in reality not the Allies but instead
the theory and practice of the large-scale coercive collectivist state, be
it in the form of Communism or the large-scale welfare/warfare states of
various types and the consequent rise of a violent, unstable, impoverished
Third World addicted to the benefits of the same as cavalierly dispensed by
the meddlesome mandarins of the First World. True, since 1945 we've been
speaking a different language, and it's not German, Japanese, or even
Russian or Chinese. Rather, it's the language of socialism couched in
perpetual, petulant demands for ever-more forced, taxpayer-supported
"fairness and social justice" on a global scale (commonly called
"humanitarian intervention") at the heavy expense of true peace, prosperity,
and individual liberty. And the price, as usual in the imposition and
maintenance of socialism, was and still is the untold millions of dead,
impoverished, miserable, and imprisoned.

Copyright Š LewRockwell.com

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Deb Mallen

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May 10, 2002, 5:45:57 PM5/10/02
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Erik Freeman:

Now I know your completely off your rocker! Canada invade the U.S. !!! Why
don't we just commit suicide...it'd be easier. Don't u know our only
mission in war is......
we bring the beer, the Americans will protect us! Give me a break. What
are we gonna invade u with....thats another good question.....our big fleet
of ships! If we can keep em from sinking. The reason for the heavy military
at the border, you smart person u, is the fear of terrorist attack on our
bridges and tunnels, which would destroy free trade between our countries
and devastate both of our economies. And i assure u that our text books
still have United States of America in them....maybe u watch a little too
many cartoons. Get into the real world.


"Erik D. Freeman" <efr...@alumni.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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howdydoo

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May 10, 2002, 6:41:59 PM5/10/02
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Deb Mallen <mall...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:tcXC8.13120$q76.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...

> Erik Freeman:
>
> Now I know your completely off your rocker! Canada invade the U.S. !!!
Why
> don't we just commit suicide...it'd be easier. Don't u know our only
> mission in war is......

Wow, imagine re-posting a 25kb news message to give a serious reply to
soemthng that is so obvisouly a FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Jeez!! How many door-knobs are there in the world?


Spitfire

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May 10, 2002, 6:56:39 PM5/10/02
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.....considering the popularity of Apple Computers?
--
Spitfire
You done yet?

Patrick

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May 10, 2002, 10:07:00 PM5/10/02
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"Spitfire" <spitf...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:3CDC4FD1...@my-deja.com...

or the popularity of the AOL "virus" -- er... i mean, the AOL internet
"service"


Spitfire

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May 10, 2002, 10:13:08 PM5/10/02
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Patrick wrote:
>
> "Spitfire" <spitf...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:3CDC4FD1...@my-deja.com...
> > howdydoo wrote:
> > >
> > > Deb Mallen <mall...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:tcXC8.13120$q76.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > Erik Freeman:
> > > >
> > > > Now I know your completely off your rocker! Canada invade the U.S.
> !!!
> > > Why
> > > > don't we just commit suicide...it'd be easier. Don't u know our only
> > > > mission in war is......
> > >
> > > Wow, imagine re-posting a 25kb news message to give a serious reply to
> > > soemthng that is so obvisouly a FUCKING JOKE!!!!!
> > >
> > > Jeez!! How many door-knobs are there in the world?
> >
> > .....considering the popularity of Apple Computers?
>
> or the popularity of the AOL "virus" -- er... i mean, the AOL internet
> "service"

.....sheeze,....."AOL for Mac" users must need spam reminders to breathe....

Erik D. Freeman

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May 13, 2002, 4:14:05 PM5/13/02
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R U 4 Real? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or just stupid.


Erik Freeman
email: efr...@alumni.umbc.edu
http://www.alumni.umbc.edu/~efreem2

Who Dares Wins!

Spitfire

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May 13, 2002, 7:53:21 PM5/13/02
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"Erik D. Freeman" wrote:
>
> R U 4 Real? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or just stupid.

........we noticed.........

DEB

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On Fri, 10 May 2002, DEB wrote:

>> Erik Freeman
>
> That would be sarcastic....sweety.
>
> Your just upset cuz i actually posted something funny....which, by the
way,
> is what your supposed to do in a "humour" newsgroup.
>
> Since u seem such a politically minded person, i do have a post going
> around. I'm trying to get as many names on it as possible. It's a
petition
> to stop the polar bear slaughter in Toronto. (they're near extinction)
> Would u be interested in adding your name to the post.
>
> The more American people we can get to add their names to this post would
> greatly help our cause.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>


Erik D. Freeman

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May 14, 2002, 3:09:34 PM5/14/02
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With U Sh1thead, I'm fairly certain. U R just plane stupid.

Isn't there an alt.test board you could haunt for awhile?

Spitfire

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May 14, 2002, 3:41:41 PM5/14/02
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"Erik D. Freeman" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2002, Spitfire wrote:
>
> > "Erik D. Freeman" wrote:
> > >
> > > R U 4 Real? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or just stupid.
> >
> > ........we noticed.........
>
> With U Sh1thead, I'm fairly certain. U R just plane stupid.

Wrong again,....I've got over 3000 hours in yer cockpit....



> Isn't there an alt.test board you could haunt for awhile?

What's the matter? Afraid the shit you use won't hold together
yer house of cards?

Us...@host.com

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In article <3CDC4FD1...@my-deja.com>, Spitfire
<spitf...@my-deja.com> wrote:

or maybe the popularity of windows?

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