NJJF: How Aware Are You? (OT)
David S. Rubin
day or have known about all our lives. How many
can you get right?
These little simple questions are harder than you
think--it just shows you how little we pay
attention to the common place things of life. Put
your thinking caps on.
Mind teasers of COMMON KNOWLEDGE. No cheating! No
looking around! No using anything on or in your
desk or computer!
Can you beat 18?? (The average is 7) Write down
your answers and check answers (on the bottom)
AFTER completing all the questions. REMEMBER - NO
CHEATING!!! LET'S JUST SEE HOW OBSERVANT YOU
REALLY ARE.
1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on
the top or bottom?
2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
people don't know)
3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's
torch?
4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's
soup label?
5. What two letters don't appear on the
telephone dial? (No cheating!)
6. What two numbers on the telephone dial don't
have letters by them?
7. When you walk does your left arm swing w/your
right or left leg?
8. How many matches are in a standard pack?
9. On the United States flag is the top stripe
red or white?
10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial?
11. Which way does water go down the drain,
counter or clockwise?
12. Which way does a "no smoking" sign's slash
run?
13. How many channels on a VHF TV dial?
14. Which side of a women's blouse are the
buttons on?
15. On a NY license plate, is New York on the top
or bottom?
16. Which way do fans rotate?
17. Whose face is on a dime?
18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
19. Do books have even-numbered pages on the
right or left side?
20. How many lug nuts are on a standard car
wheel?
21. How many sides are there on a standard
pencil?
22. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc.
Who's missing?
23. How many hot dog buns are in a standard
package?
24. On which playing card is the card maker's
trademark?
25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord
that adjusts the opening
between the slats?
26. On the back of a $1 bill, what is in the
center?
27. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone phone.
What 2 symbols bear no digits?
28. How many curves are there in the standard
paper clip?
29. Does a merry-go-round turn counter or
clockwise?
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Don't look at answers below until you complete
all the questions:
1. Bottom
2. 50 (please tell me you got this one!)
3. Right
4. Blue, red, white, yellow, black, &gold
5. Q, Z
6. 1, 0
7. Right
8. 20
9. Red
10. 88
11. Counter (north of the equator)
12. Towards bottom right
13. 12 (no #1)
14. Left
15. Top
16. Clockwise as you look at it
17. Roosevelt
18. 8
19. Left
20. 5
21. 6
22. Bashful
23. 8
24. Ace of spades
25. Left
26. ONE
27. *, #
28. 3
29. Counter
j...@invalid.address
> Can you beat 18?? (The average is 7) Write down
> your answers and check answers (on the bottom)
> AFTER completing all the questions. REMEMBER - NO
> CHEATING!!! LET'S JUST SEE HOW OBSERVANT YOU
> REALLY ARE.
>
> 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on
> the top or bottom?
There's no such thing as a standard traffic light. Some are horizontal
and some are vertical. Some have more than three lights on them, etc.
> 11. Which way does water go down the drain,
> counter or clockwise?
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast161_4/notes13.html
Look for "Coriolis Effect"
> 18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
Two, front and back (the "eight" answer is how many edges it has :-)
Joe
--
Don't worry, be happy
- Bobby McFerrin
Eliyahu Rooff
See, http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.htm for a simplified
discussion of this popular myth.
Eliyahu
"David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu> wrote in message
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Timo Kiravuo
> There are 29 questions about things we see every
> day or have known about all our lives. How many
Thank you for this, it was fun, especially as I live in Finland. :-) I
still managed to get 11 right. But this one really travels badly. Your
daily lives are not the same as ours.
> 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
> people don't know)
For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
> 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's
> soup label?
The first stumper, I got four colours right. I think there is one
specialy store in Helsinki that might have Campbell's soup, next time I
go there I'll verify. It would actually be easier to go to the local
library and find an art book that has Warhol's pictures than finding the
actual item.
> 5. What two letters don't appear on the
> telephone dial? (No cheating!)
All my phones have 26 letters, just checked. The letters å, ä and ö are
missing. Of course the phone has to have all the letters, how else would
you send text messages?
> 7. When you walk does your left arm swing w/your
> right or left leg?
Phew, at least one universal question that all bipeds can get right.
> 8. How many matches are in a standard pack?
Around here it used to be 50 until they decided to give themselves 10%
profit increase and now it is 45 in a box. I haven't seen those flimsy
paper matches for years, its all boxes we use. And I have seen "strike
anywhere" matches never in Europe, we have only safety matches.
> 14. Which side of a women's blouse are the
> buttons on?
This one works for most of the western world.
> 23. How many hot dog buns are in a standard
> package?
Eh, I haven't seen any in this country...
> 25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord
> that adjusts the opening
> between the slats?
I am just looking at my office window and it has two panes and the cords
are next to the wall, so both left and right.
> 28. How many curves are there in the standard
> paper clip?
And I have two paper clips, the smaller has 8 curves (sharper design),
the larger 3.
And now some quetions of my own:
1 On which side do you enter the ferry boat to Sweden?
2 How many sides does the old Abloy key's hole have?
3 Do the stripes on a tie go the same way in the knot as in the hanging
part?
4 How many pillars does the parliament building have?
5 How many buildings are in the "urban area" (taajama) traffic sign?
6 How many times do you have to press "2" on a Nokia phone to get ä?
7 Does the sun go left to right or right to left?
8 Do you press the upper or lower part of a wall switch to turn the
lights on?
9 How much does the usual packet of coffee weigh?
10 Is the hologram on the right or left side of Eruo bills?
1 right
2 5
3 other way
4 14
5 5
6 5
7 left to right
8 upper
9 500 g
10 right
kiravuo
April G.
> David S. Rubin wrote:
>
>>
>> 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
>> people don't know)
>
>
> For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
> any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
To include Canada and Mexico, of course!
April G.
Scott
wrote:
> > 25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord
> > that adjusts the opening
> > between the slats?
>
> I am just looking at my office window and it has two panes and the cords
> are next to the wall, so both left and right.
Do both cords adjust the opening between the slats, or does one side
raise the blind up and down?
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meirman
<kir...@nixu.fi> posted:
>David S. Rubin wrote:
>> There are 29 questions about things we see every
>> day or have known about all our lives. How many
>
>Thank you for this, it was fun, especially as I live in Finland. :-) I
>still managed to get 11 right. But this one really travels badly. Your
>daily lives are not the same as ours.
>
>> 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
>> people don't know)
>
>For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
>any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
52 is the number of cards in a deck, not counting jokers. I think
that's why.
>> 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's
>> soup label?
>
>The first stumper, I got four colours right. I think there is one
>specialy store in Helsinki that might have Campbell's soup, next time I
>go there I'll verify. It would actually be easier to go to the local
>library and find an art book that has Warhol's pictures than finding the
>actual item.
>
>> 5. What two letters don't appear on the
>> telephone dial? (No cheating!)
>
>All my phones have 26 letters, just checked. The letters å, ä and ö are
>missing.
They're missing from mine too.
>Of course the phone has to have all the letters, how else would
>you send text messages?
What do you do about the three that are missing?
>> 7. When you walk does your left arm swing w/your
>> right or left leg?
>
>Phew, at least one universal question that all bipeds can get right.
>
>> 8. How many matches are in a standard pack?
>
>Around here it used to be 50 until they decided to give themselves 10%
>profit increase and now it is 45 in a box. I haven't seen those flimsy
>paper matches for years, its all boxes we use.
Don't they get crumpled in your pants pocket?
And I have seen "strike
>anywhere" matches never in Europe, we have only safety matches.
Paper matches only come in safety here, I'm sure. Can't you get 3-inch
wooden anywhere matches at a camping store? They have a white dot on
top of the regular colored tip. You can also coat them in wax to make
them waterproof if you don't have a waterproof container, and you
think it's worth it.
>> 14. Which side of a women's blouse are the
>> buttons on?
>
>This one works for most of the western world.
>
>> 23. How many hot dog buns are in a standard
>> package?
>
>Eh, I haven't seen any in this country...
>
>> 25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord
>> that adjusts the opening
>> between the slats?
>
>I am just looking at my office window and it has two panes and the cords
>are next to the wall, so both left and right.
Doesn't one cord lift the whole thing? That's the other one.
>> 28. How many curves are there in the standard
>> paper clip?
>
>And I have two paper clips, the smaller has 8 curves (sharper design),
>the larger 3.
The stations on two of my digital table radios go down to 87.5 MHz.
(Unfortunatly I answered 87.1)
>
>And now some quetions of my own:
>
>1 On which side do you enter the ferry boat to Sweden?
The side facing land?
>2 How many sides does the old Abloy key's hole have?
4.
>3 Do the stripes on a tie go the same way in the knot as in the hanging
>part?
Nope.
>4 How many pillars does the parliament building have?
>
>5 How many buildings are in the "urban area" (taajama) traffic sign?
>
>6 How many times do you have to press "2" on a Nokia phone to get ä?
>
>7 Does the sun go left to right or right to left?
Depends if your head is pointing north or south. And if your face is
facing up or down.
>8 Do you press the upper or lower part of a wall switch to turn the
>lights on?
>
>9 How much does the usual packet of coffee weigh?
>
>10 Is the hologram on the right or left side of Eruo bills?
>
>
>1 right
>2 5
>3 other way
>4 14
>5 5
>6 5
>7 left to right
>8 upper
>9 500 g
>10 right
>
>kiravuo
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The Old Bear
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:31:17 EST
>From: "David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu>
>Newsgroups: alt.humor.jewish,rec.humor.jewish
>Subject: NJJF: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>
>There are 29 questions about things we see every
>day or have known about all our lives. How many
>can you get right?
. . .
OK, I got 22 of them right and 7 wrong:
Just plain did not know
# 4 (soup can colors... blue & yellow!?! );
#15 (NY license plate);
Got wrong
# 7 (which arm swings);
#12 (no smoking sign);
#23 (hot dog buns -- I knew there were 8 hot dogs
and 6 buns or vice versa, just not which way.
This is the result of years on a low-fat
low-sodium diet.);
#28 (curves in paperclip -- I should have used a
pencil because I visualized it correctly but
counted wrong.)
Mis-read:
#13 (channels on VHF TV dial-- misread as UHF dial
which would be 69 channels -- 14 to 83 -- but
I would have gotten it right with better
eyeglasses. Besides, if you had an old enough
TV, like the 10-inch RCA set which my grandparents
had in 1948, there were 13 VHF channels including
channel 1 on the dial. See the web page at
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1946%20RCA%20630TS%20TV.htm
Now for the nit picking: I got these right but also proposed
alternate answers
# 2 (number of states) The question did not specify
the United States. It did not even specify that
it had to do with geography. A physicist might
say that there are three (or four) states: solid,
liquid, gas (and maybe plasma).
Real nit-pickers could argue that there are only
46 states in the US because Massachusetts,
Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Kentucky consider
themselves to be "commonwealths."
#11 (water down the drain) Although the question did not
specify which hemisphere, at least the answer did.
However, numerous research projects have shown that
the geometry of your sink or bathtub is a more
significant determinant than the Coriolis effect.
Call your plumber and complain!
#18 (sides of a stop sign) Actually, a stop sign has only
two sides: front and back. It does have eight edges,
however.
Knowing that this is a Jewish newsgroup, I am expecting a large number
of replies citing all manner of technicalities in the answers.
Cheers,
The Old Bear
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Old Man Caballo
>> 18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
>
>Two, front and back (the "eight" answer is how many edges it has :-)
>
>Joe
Hmmm... since a stop sign is a 3D object it should have 10 front, back
and the eight lateral faces.
Beware of oversimplification in physics
Lets assume your theory of the two sided stop sign to be correct and
try to see the predictions we can derive from it.
To accomplish that we will design a simple experiment:
1- We build a stop sign accelerator, we will call it the signgun, that
allows us to accelerate the stop sign forward at a speed close to that
of sound and furthermore allows us do this for different orientations
of the sign relative to the direction of motion.
2- We place an sign dimension detector , we will call it your chest,
that we place perpendicularly, in the path of the accelerated moving
sign.
3- We try to predict the results according to your theory:
- We assign letters to the value of different dimensions of the sign:
X= height
Y= width, lets recall that X=Y and that is so for front and back
Z= depth, lets recall that according to your theory Z= 0
- We load the stop sign into the signgun so that either X or Y are
perpendicular to the direction of motion and fire the gun.
-We measure the effects of the collision between the Sign and the Sign
dimension detector (your chest)
-We know that the effects are dependent on the dimensions of the
contact surface between the two objects.
-We know that the surface of contact is a function of the product of X
and Y
- According to the results (namely that your chest has been
obliterated) we conclude that the stop sign definitely has a
measurable X and a measurable Y that are nonzero.
-We know repeat the experiment but this time we orient the stop sign
so that Z is perpendicular to the direction of motion.
- Since Z= 0 the surface of contact between the sign and your chest
should be zero and the effect of that collision non measurable. Indeed
we can say that there has been no collision since the objects do not
intersect!
Now if you really stand by your theory you should perform the
experiment and you, or your surviving assistants, should inform the
world of the results.
Lets hope you are right. If you are not at least your sacrifice would
be for the good of science and the gene pool.
Old Man Caballo.
Raoul Watson
"David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu> wrote in message
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>
> 5. What two letters don't appear on the
> telephone dial? (No cheating!)
>
> 5. Q, Z
On old phones maybe..
Q is 7 and Z is 9.
Skid
to old rotary dials rather than pads or touchtone
pads? We should be punching or padding telephone
numbers.
(;-)
Eliyahu Rooff
"Raoul Watson" <Wat...@IntelligenCIA.com> wrote in message
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installed yesterday.
Eliyahu
meirman
<ssch...@adelphia.net> posted:
>Has anybody become aware that question 5 refers
>to old rotary dials rather than pads or touchtone
>pads?
There are plenty of touch tone phones that are labelled the same way.
There's one at my desk here, plus there's a TV remote control that
doesn't have ANY letters on the numbers.
> We should be punching or padding telephone
>numbers.
Never! I will always dial and type.
>(;-)
>
>Raoul Watson wrote:
>> "David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.A41.4.10.103051...@academic.touro.edu...
>>
>>
>>>5. What two letters don't appear on the
>>>telephone dial? (No cheating!)
>>>
>>>5. Q, Z
>>
>>
>> On old phones maybe..
>>
>> Q is 7 and Z is 9.
>>
Ray
I bet you could even explain Mandelbrot sets to me.......... Good work
Ray
Daniel Indyk
fire a 3D? object with a Z=0 dimension. Please forward details as I'd
like to build one to get rid of some old shadows still lurking from my
past.....
Old Man Caballo <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<2vaj50ll0q0f2akl0...@4ax.com>...
Axel Kielhorn
> > 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
> > people don't know)
>
> For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
> any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
Three: solid, liquid and gas. (Unless you want to count plasma as well.)
Axel
--
Anyone who needs mood-altering chemicals to find life strange
isn't paying proper attention.
(Megan in ABML)
David S. Rubin
whatever it should be called on a push-button phone.
:)
DrKral...@att.net
<Wat...@IntelligenCIA.com> wrote in
<wjt7c.4583$vC....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>:
That must be modern for text messaging.,
The early AT&T dial had a Z with the number 0 which has been since
dropped.
Incidentally, In the UK the letter O is with the number 0 which prevent
the confussion we have here in the USA.
Dr. Kral
Reply to: Dr....@ATT.net
Bachrach V3.1
> 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial?
standard is 88, but depending on your manufacturer, your particular radio
may be different.
> 11. Which way does water go down the drain,
> counter or clockwise?
absolute baloney as pointed out by others. It depends which way the water is
swirling based on how it comes into the sink/toilet.
> 12. Which way does a "no smoking" sign's slash
> run?
both are used:
http://images.google.com/images?q=no+smoking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
> 19. Do books have even-numbered pages on the
> right or left side?
again, no right answer. Some books have them on the left, some on the right.
It all depends on how much room they leave for unnumbered pages like title
page, table of contents, preface, introduction, etc.
> 29. Does a merry-go-round turn counter or
> clockwise?
depends on how they build it - I've seen both.
j...@invalid.address
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:09:10 EST, j...@invalid.address wrote:
>
> >> 18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
> >
> >Two, front and back (the "eight" answer is how many edges it has :-)
> >
> >Joe
>
> Hmmm... since a stop sign is a 3D object it should have 10 front, back
> and the eight lateral faces.
>
> Beware of oversimplification in physics
>
> Lets assume your theory of the two sided stop sign to be correct and
> try to see the predictions we can derive from it.
>
> To accomplish that we will design a simple experiment:
[...]
> Now if you really stand by your theory you should perform the
> experiment and you, or your surviving assistants, should inform the
> world of the results.
>
> Lets hope you are right. If you are not at least your sacrifice would
> be for the good of science and the gene pool.
Whew, and I thought I was talking about the English language. This
group is dangerous. However, since I'm not a physicist, nor the son of
a physicist I'll take your word for it ;-)
DrKral...@att.net
old...@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear) wrote in
<oldbear.103...@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com>:
> #13 (channels on VHF TV dial-- misread as UHF dial
> which would be 69 channels -- 14 to 83 -- but
Try counting that one again -- <grin>
> I would have gotten it right with better
> eyeglasses. Besides, if you had an old enough
> TV, like the 10-inch RCA set which my grandparents
> had in 1948, there were 13 VHF channels including
> channel 1 on the dial. See the web page at
> http://www.tvhistory.tv/1946%20RCA%20630TS%20TV.htm
And what about the entire FM band available on some set between TV 6 and
7?
Old Man Caballo
wrote:
>that is of course assuming that your signgun accelerator can actually
>fire a 3D? object with a Z=0 dimension. Please forward details as I'd
>like to build one to get rid of some old shadows still lurking from my
>past.....
No, no, no, The sign gun just accelerates signs. Wheter they are 3d or
2d is unknown yet, no consensus has been reached and no conclusive
experiment has been performed.
Of course if we are not able to build a signgun to accelerate the
stop sign then we must abandon this line of work and try to design a
different experiment.
Anyway, I have seen objects that on first inspection seem to be fairly
similar to stop signs being easily accelerated and decelerated by kids
in the park , they are called frisbees I think, so I do not expect
much dificulty in this regard.
If we just get the grants we need of course...
Old Man Caballo.
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
Only on cell phones and phones that you can enter text with - like for
entering names for Caller ID. Standard phones still do not have Q and
Z.
--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"What you see before you, my friend, is the result of a lifetime of
chocolate."
--Katharine Hepburn (May 12, 1907 - June 29, 2003)
~*~*~*~*~*~
David Esan
> Timo Kiravuo <kir...@nixu.fi> wrote:
>
> > > 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
> > > people don't know)
> >
> > For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
> > any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
>
> Three: solid, liquid and gas. (Unless you want to count plasma as well.)
>
> Axel
Actually, there are six:
solid, liquid, gas, plasma, Bose-Einstein condesate (BEC), and Fermion
condensate.
Check out http://physicsweb.org/article/news/8/1/14 and
http://www.nature.com/nsu/031110/031110-16.html for too many details.
maxine in ri
>
> A couple of these are flawed.
> > 19. Do books have even-numbered pages on the
> > right or left side?
>
> again, no right answer. Some books have them on the left, some on the right.
> It all depends on how much room they leave for unnumbered pages like title
> page, table of contents, preface, introduction, etc.
The exceptions make the rule. The front matter that you mention is
variable so as to make certain that the pages
will fall where they ought.
Unless it's the book we just published, where a correspondence
between two people, one wrote in french, the other in english, and
facing pages each had the same number. What a pain to strip that
beastie up!
maxineinri
Axel Kielhorn
> A couple of these are flawed.
>
> > 10. What is the lowest number on the FM dial?
>
> standard is 88, but depending on your manufacturer, your particular radio
> may be different.
I remember listening to a radio station at 76.something.
But maybe that is just my bad memory.
meirman
DrKral...@att.net posted:
Yeeah, but those are stations, not channels. Our first tv got those.
It was a beautiful tv, with cabinet doors with a grain as beautiful as
I have ever seen. The TV had a switch to turn off the picture when
listening to the radio, and the tuner was continuous from channel two
to channel 13, with the FM stations marked at the appropriate space.
It had Magic Eye tuning, a window about a half inch high with two
green glowing rectangles, side by side. While tuning, the height of
the rectangles changed, one going up as the other went down. When
they were the same height, the station or channel was properly tuned.
Of course there were no FM stations then, where I lived, or maybe
anywhere, and maybe for 20 years afterwards.
>Dr. Kral
>Reply to: Dr....@ATT.net
meirman
<m...@privacy.net> posted:
I think the curled lip of the frisbee puts them in the class of 3D,
unless the lip is only 2D itself.
Long before, when I was 9 or less, frisbees I used to have fun flying
the tops of coffee cans. When I did it one way (the right way?)
everthing was fine, but one out of 5 or 10 times I would scrape some
skin off the side of my index finger, or slice a real cut into it.
So I started hammering down the edges of the coffee can, but
unfortunately it would not fly well then.
Was flying coffee can lids popular with anyone other than me?
>If we just get the grants we need of course...
>
>Old Man Caballo.
meirman
<wee...@hotmail.com> posted:
The Koren Tanach has the facing pages with the same number, althoug
the Hebrew page numbers are written in Hebrew and the English page
numbers are written in ?? Arabic? English?. And the Hebrew page is on
the left on one page, and on the right on the next, and back and
forth. That way, they can remove all the English pages, or all the
Hebrew pages, and what is left is numbered by ones
Of course the book is read from right to left, and the first Hebrew
page is on the left, and the first English page is on the right. So
there's proabably a Hebrew-only version and it would have the even
numbers on the right. However since the question was in English, I
feel entitled to consider only books in English for the answer.
>
>maxineinri
Axel Kielhorn
> "Raoul Watson" <Wat...@IntelligenCIA.com> wrote in message
> news:wjt7c.4583$vC....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > Q is 7 and Z is 9.
> >
> Not on any of mine, including the new BellSouth model I bought and
> installed yesterday.
You should return the phone or ask for a reduced price.
My telephone (bought from the Deutsche Telekom) has all 26 letters.
My mobile phone (from Panasonic) has even the "@" sign and lots of
Japanese characters I don't use for regular text messages.
Timo Kiravuo
>>All my phones have 26 letters, just checked. The letters å, ä and ö are
>>missing.
We just press a or o enough many times to get å, ä and ö. Germans
replace ä with ae and ö with oe, but that does not work in Finnish. Å is
needed for Swedish names.
Does anybody know about Israeli phones, do they have Hebrew characters?
BTW, you might want to write down the exact keypresses needed to set the
language on your phone, unless you want some so called friend to ask
to see your new fancy phone and set the language to Hungarian or Korean.
Not that I would do anything like that, but I have heard about somebody
doing it...
> Paper matches only come in safety here, I'm sure. Can't you get 3-inch
> wooden anywhere matches at a camping store? They have a white dot on
> top of the regular colored tip. You can also coat them in wax to make
> them waterproof if you don't have a waterproof container, and you
> think it's worth it.
I think that if the authorities in any Scandinavian country would find
"strike anywhere" matches on me, I would be arrested at the spot. Our
governments are very strict on safety and they do not accept that "do
not operate this vehicle above 5 km/h and be sure to have a man walk in
front of it with the red flag" approach that the Americans take. Instead
our products must actually be safe for the intended purpose. So it is
safety matches only and there is a standard for how many faulty matches
you are allowed to have in a box.
Actually there is an EU standard for _anything_, can you imagine an
organization that combines the French organizational skills with German
relaxed attitude to alternative methods of implementation and with the
famous Italian efficiency? The shape of cucumber is clearly defined and
if your cucumbers curve too much, you are not allowed to sell them.
Finnish and and English sausages are re-classified as pastries (which
makes sense, considering the meat content in them).
>>>25. On which side of a Venetian blind is the cord
>>>that adjusts the opening
>>>between the slats?
Now this seems to interest people. Our Venetian blinds (or horizontal
dust repositories) are controlled by a string, which allows vertical
repositioning at need, and by a rod, which you twist to make the slats
open and close. And the adjusting devices can be located at either side,
perhaps more ofhen at the hinge side.
>>1 On which side do you enter the ferry boat to Sweden?
> The side facing land?
Yes, but the side is the right side. Which is funny, because
traditionally the right side is for the steering oar (styrbord,
starboard) and the left side is then the port side for tying up to a
pier. But the first side loading ro-ro ships had their loading ports on
the right side for some reason and now ferries tie up the wrong way.
>>7 Does the sun go left to right or right to left?
> Depends if your head is pointing north or south. And if your face is
> facing up or down.
Perhaps in a place, where the sun goes up to the sky. But our sun spends
most of its time creeping around above the treeline, especially in the
winter time, so it is clearly going left to right. Even in the summer
time the sun never rises even close to zenith. In exchange we get the
long hours of twilight, when it is not quite dark and not quite light.
And the magical nights in midsummer, when it is never dark.
kiravuo
meirman
old...@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear) posted:
>"David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu> writes:
>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:31:17 EST
>>From: "David S. Rubin" <dav...@touro.edu>
>>Newsgroups: alt.humor.jewish,rec.humor.jewish
>>Subject: NJJF: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>>
>>There are 29 questions about things we see every
>>day or have known about all our lives. How many
>>can you get right?
>
>. . .
>
>OK, I got 22 of them right and 7 wrong:
>
>Just plain did not know
> # 4 (soup can colors... blue & yellow!?! );
> #15 (NY license plate);
>
>Got wrong
> # 7 (which arm swings);
> #12 (no smoking sign);
> #23 (hot dog buns -- I knew there were 8 hot dogs
> and 6 buns or vice versa, just not which way.
> This is the result of years on a low-fat
> low-sodium diet.);
> #28 (curves in paperclip -- I should have used a
> pencil because I visualized it correctly but
> counted wrong.)
I only got 19 right, but got right all of these that you got wrong!
except one, the no smoking sign. Are they saying the red line goes a
different direction from other No Xxxx signs, or am I wrong on all of
them. And if no smoking is different, Why?
>
>Mis-read:
> #13 (channels on VHF TV dial-- misread as UHF dial
> which would be 69 channels -- 14 to 83 -- but
> I would have gotten it right with better
> eyeglasses. Besides, if you had an old enough
> TV, like the 10-inch RCA set which my grandparents
> had in 1948, there were 13 VHF channels including
> channel 1 on the dial. See the web page at
> http://www.tvhistory.tv/1946%20RCA%20630TS%20TV.htm
If we had bought a tv in '48, we would have still had in in '60, and I
would remember it, and I know there was a channel one. My parents
were pretty well off, but we didn't buy one unitl about '52. I
remembe when the floor radio was removed to the attic and a tv put in
its place.
>Now for the nit picking: I got these right but also proposed
>alternate answers
....
>
>
>Knowing that this is a Jewish newsgroup, I am expecting a large number
>of replies citing all manner of technicalities in the answers.
My only good nit was in my other post.
>
>Cheers,
>The Old Bear
>
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
> ... and with a resounding splash, Noah sent forth from the ark a Dov ... ©
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
MathWhiz78
language on your phone, unless you want some so called friend to ask
to see your new fancy phone and set the language to Hungarian or Korean.
Yes, it does happen. I used to work for Cingular in customer service and had
to walk a customer through setting their phone back to english. It was one of
the more amusing calls I took, actually. =)
~mike~
meirman
<nos...@nowhere.org> posted:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:50:24 EST, Old Man Caballo <m...@privacy.net> put together
>some random words that came up with:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:09:10 EST, j...@invalid.address wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> 18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
>>>
>>>Two, front and back (the "eight" answer is how many edges it has :-)
>>>
>>>Joe
>>
>>
>>Hmmm... since a stop sign is a 3D object it should have 10 front, back
>>and the eight lateral faces.
>>
>>Beware of oversimplification in physics
>>
>>Lets assume your theory of the two sided stop sign to be correct and
>>try to see the predictions we can derive from it.
>>
> (snip)
>
>No! No! No! Everyone is wrong. It has two sides: the inside and the outside.
I think it must have 6 sides.
The inside and the outside,
the front side and the back side,
and the windward side and the leeward side.
Old Man Caballo
>I think it must have 6 sides.
> The inside and the outside,
> the front side and the back side,
>and the windward side and the leeward side.
And if you are in Hawaii add the mauka side and the makai side...
and if it is old and rusty some ox-side
Old Man Caballo.
Ostwald Buelwicke
as "typing in a number." As in, "Dad, what number do I type in to the
phone to call you at your office?"
How the language changes...
And yes, she spends FAR TOO much time on the computer.
-Steve
"Skid" <ssch...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:p9adnXFt1I8...@adelphia.com...
The Old Bear
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:35:14 EST
>From: Old Man Caballo <m...@privacy.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.humor.jewish,rec.humor.jewish
>Subject: Re: NJJF: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>
>din...@energy.com.au (Daniel Indyk) wrote:
>>
>>that is of course assuming that your signgun accelerator can actually
>>fire a 3D? object with a Z=0 dimension. Please forward details as I'd
>>like to build one to get rid of some old shadows still lurking from my
>>past.....
>
>No, no, no, The sign gun just accelerates signs. Wheter they are 3d or
>2d is unknown yet, no consensus has been reached and no conclusive
>experiment has been performed.
You need to understand that a standard stop sign has only two dimensions.
What you are considering a third dimension is really the material upon
which the sign is backed. It is not the sign.
Here is a standard U.S. R-1 stop sign as specified in the Manual of
Uniform Traffic Control Devices' publication "Standard Highway Signs"
(2003 edition):
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/SHSe/regulatory_e.pdf
Notice that the sign is specified in two dimensions only. The official
specification makes no assumptions about your viewing the sign on a CRT
monitor, LCD panel, printed out on paper of various thicknesses, screen-
printed on aluminum, painted on wood, or even imagined in your mind.
The "3rd dimension" is anything you want it to be (or not be), so long
as the sign itself meets the purely two-dimensional R-1 specification.
Hence, the stop sign will still be a stop sign even if it is fabricated
on a two-dimensional plane. (For ease of fabrication, it's best to hire
a physicist or mathematician who is experienced in hypothetically assuming
the existence of a purely two-dimensional surface.)
Therefore, although a standard stop sign is required to have eight sides,
it is only required to have ONE surface.
j...@invalid.address
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:50:24 EST, Old Man Caballo <m...@privacy.net>
> put together
> some random words that came up with:
>
> >On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:09:10 EST, j...@invalid.address wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> 18. How many sides does a stop sign have?
> >>
> >>Two, front and back (the "eight" answer is how many edges it has :-)
> >>
> >>Joe
> >
> >
> >Hmmm... since a stop sign is a 3D object it should have 10 front, back
> >and the eight lateral faces.
> >
> >Beware of oversimplification in physics
> >
> >Lets assume your theory of the two sided stop sign to be correct and
> >try to see the predictions we can derive from it.
> >
> (snip)
>
> No! No! No! Everyone is wrong. It has two sides: the inside and
> the outside.
What if you twist it around until it's a mobius sign? Couldn't we all
just get along then?
Joe
--
The Dutchman still wears wooden shoes, his cap and coat are patched
with the love that Magaret sewed there...
- Steve Goodman
Gary S.
>Long before, when I was 9 or less, frisbees I used to have fun flying
>the tops of coffee cans. When I did it one way (the right way?)
>everthing was fine, but one out of 5 or 10 times I would scrape some
>skin off the side of my index finger, or slice a real cut into it.
>
>So I started hammering down the edges of the coffee can, but
>unfortunately it would not fly well then.
>
>Was flying coffee can lids popular with anyone other than me?
>
The newer style can openers, which cut into the side of the lid rather
than the top, would be good for this. No sharp edges on can or lid.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
meirman
<JoeOfS...@yahoo.NONOcom> posted:
>
>>My mobile phone (from Panasonic) has even the "@" sign and lots of
>>Japanese characters I don't use for regular text messages.
>
>This may be a shocker but there are people who have phones that are
>older than most of the people who read this thread! I have a phone
>with the letter Z on the 0 hole of a dial phone. Most phones in North
>America did not have the letters Q or Z on phones made from the 50s
>through the early part of the 90s.
I have a phone that's older than I am, and I'm 57. It must be mobile,
I brought it from Chicago.
I paid 99 cents for the phone and 15 cents for the handset, at
Olsen's, on Western Avenue, across from Allied Radio.
Some day I have to find out how old it is. It's shaped like a woman
in a full skirt, with the dial on the front of her skirt, a trim waist
above that, and the handset cradle above that, in place of her head
and chest. The handset cradle is like a dachsund lying on its back
with its 4 legs sticking up in the air, and the handset goes from left
to right.
It's outline, looking from the front was famous for decades as the
epitome of a phone.
Is this description any good and if so, how old is the phone? I'm
thinking mid 40's, or earlier.
Fritz Whittington
pencil and scribbled:
>A couple of these are flawed.
><snip>
>
>
>
>>12. Which way does a "no smoking" sign's slash
>>run?
>>
>>
>
>both are used:
>http://images.google.com/images?q=no+smoking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
>
>
<snip>
There's no doubt that both of them have been used, but only one of them
is "correct" in the sense of
being the way the International Standard defines it (ISO 3864). It's
the one with the slash running from upper left to lower right. See
http://www.emedco.com/emed2/prodGroupAT.asp?dept_id=1018
The logo for the movie "Ghostbusters" had it running the wrong way, and
I think that started the massive amount of confusion on this subject.
--
Fritz Whittington
Force without wisdom falls of its own weight. (Horace, Odes)
John F. Opie
wrote:
>Timo Kiravuo <kir...@nixu.fi> wrote:
>
>> > 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
>> > people don't know)
>>
>> For some reason around here people are always saying 52. I don't have
>> any idea why it is always 52 and not some other number.
>
>Three: solid, liquid and gas. (Unless you want to count plasma as well.)
>
>Axel
4: Solid, Liquid, Gas and Bosein Condensate.
Alternatively, if you live in Europe, you will be familiar with the
European version of the 4 states of water:
Solid, Liquid, Gas and Dutch Tomatoes (which are grown in greenhouses
and usually taste like water...)
John
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> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:52:37 EST, Axel....@gmx.de (Axel Kielhorn)
> wrote:
>
> >> "Raoul Watson" <Wat...@IntelligenCIA.com> wrote in message
> >> news:wjt7c.4583$vC....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> >> > Q is 7 and Z is 9.
> >> >
> >> Not on any of mine, including the new BellSouth model I bought and
> >> installed yesterday.
^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >You should return the phone or ask for a reduced price.
> >My telephone (bought from the Deutsche Telekom) has all 26 letters.
> >
> >My mobile phone (from Panasonic) has even the "@" sign and lots of
> >Japanese characters I don't use for regular text messages.
>
> This may be a shocker but there are people who have phones that are
> older than most of the people who read this thread! I have a phone
> with the letter Z on the 0 hole of a dial phone. Most phones in North
> America did not have the letters Q or Z on phones made from the 50s
> through the early part of the 90s.
But are these still sold today?
(Or to be precise, the day before yesterday)
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
wrote:
>Does anybody know about Israeli phones, do they have Hebrew characters?
Regular Israeli desk phones have latin characters without Hebrew, and
I don't believe that even the fancier caller ID phones have Hebrew
letters.
Cell phones, on the other hand, do have Hebrew letters - for sending
Hebrew SMS messages. On mine, the number 1 has no letters, nor does
the 0. All the rest of the letters are there, and nicely arranged
from right to left, and not left to right!
So:
3 = à, á , â
2 = ã, ä, å
6 = æ, ç, è
5 = é, ë, ì
4 = î, ð
9 = ñ, ò, ô
8 = ö, ÷
7 = ø, ù, ú
I think the final letters are found in the symbol group on one of the
menus.
The Old Bear
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:53:39 EST
>From: john...@feri.de (John F. Opie)
>Newsgroups: rec.humor.jewish
>Subject: Re: NJJF: How Aware Are You? (OT) Finnish version
>
>>Timo Kiravuo <kir...@nixu.fi> wrote:
>>
>>> > 2. How many states are there? (Don't laugh, some
>>> > people don't know)
>>
>>Three: solid, liquid and gas. (Unless you want to count plasma as well.)
>
>
>Alternatively, if you live in Europe, you will be familiar with the
>European version of the 4 states of water:
>
>Solid, Liquid, Gas and Dutch Tomatoes (which are grown in greenhouses
>and usually taste like water...)
Dutch-grown hydroponic tomatoes are frequently available here in the
north-eastern United States -- and are considerably better than the
tomatoes grown in Florida and the south from a specially bred plants
which produce pinkish tomatoes with the density and texture of
billiard balls. Ostensibly, this is to keep the tomatoes from being
bruised or crushed in shipment -- or from being damaged by anyone
attempting to eat them.
John's comment makes me wonder if the Dutch are sorting their tomatoes
based upon water content and selling the watery ones domestically
in the EU. The ones which are not watery are then exported to the US
because they are less costly to ship due to their lower weight.
This brings to mind the story of the American tourist in France who
complained that all the better restaurants served only domestic
champaigne. "At home I insist on imported champaigne! Why should I
settle for less here?"
Ray
draw the face of it. Not many people can get even close, even though
they look at it 20 times a day
regards
Ray
meirman
<Idontwantspam@net> posted:
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:49:02 EST, meirman <mei...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Long before, when I was 9 or less, frisbees I used to have fun flying
>>the tops of coffee cans. When I did it one way (the right way?)
>>everthing was fine, but one out of 5 or 10 times I would scrape some
>>skin off the side of my index finger, or slice a real cut into it.
>>
>>So I started hammering down the edges of the coffee can, but
>>unfortunately it would not fly well then.
>>
>>Was flying coffee can lids popular with anyone other than me?
>>
>The newer style can openers, which cut into the side of the lid rather
>than the top, would be good for this. No sharp edges on can or lid.
We would have to check if they can fly. It sounds like they would be
shaped like the ones I made with the hammer.
>Happy trails,
>Gary (net.yogi.bear)
>------------------------------------------------
>at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence
>
>Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
>Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
RLW
How many topologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Just two, but how did they get in there?!
Tony Colton
>I think the curled lip of the frisbee puts them in the class of 3D,
>unless the lip is only 2D itself.
>
>Long before, when I was 9 or less, frisbees I used to have fun flying
>the tops of coffee cans. When I did it one way (the right way?)
>everthing was fine, but one out of 5 or 10 times I would scrape some
>skin off the side of my index finger, or slice a real cut into it.
>
>So I started hammering down the edges of the coffee can, but
>unfortunately it would not fly well then.
>
>Was flying coffee can lids popular with anyone other than me?
>
>>If we just get the grants we need of course...
>>
>>Old Man Caballo.
>
>
attached to the full can. (almost any kind of can works just as well)
they don't fly very far as we have a small kitchen.
She's got a very poor sense of direction as several cans have narrowly
missed me.
--
Tony Colton
Old Man Caballo
old...@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear) wrote:
>You need to understand that a standard stop sign has only two dimensions.
The mental representation, yes. The actual physical object, not known
yet.
>What you are considering a third dimension is really the material upon
>which the sign is backed. It is not the sign.
You are confusing two concepts an abstract idea an a physical object.
We were trying to test physical objects. Now you say: " No, we are to
test conceptual constructions"
It seems like we are involved in completly different endeavours.
We must clarify this point in order to continue work otherwise we come
to a standstill.
Just one warning: I foresee a lot of trouble trying to build a concept
accelerator.
Old Man Caballo.
The Old Bear
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:26:53 EST
>From: meirman <mei...@invalid.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.humor.jewish
>Subject: Re: NJJF: Re: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>
>I have a phone that's older than I am, and I'm 57. It must be mobile,
>I brought it from Chicago.
>
>I paid 99 cents for the phone and 15 cents for the handset, at
>Olsen's, on Western Avenue, across from Allied Radio.
>
>Some day I have to find out how old it is. It's shaped like a woman
>in a full skirt, with the dial on the front of her skirt, a trim waist
>above that, and the handset cradle above that, in place of her head
>and chest. The handset cradle is like a dachsund lying on its back
>with its 4 legs sticking up in the air, and the handset goes from left
>to right.
>
>It's outline, looking from the front was famous for decades as the
>epitome of a phone.
>
>Is this description any good and if so, how old is the phone? I'm
>thinking mid 40's, or earlier.
That is the most poetic description I have ever heard of the classic
Western Electric model 302 which was created by the world-renowned
industrial designer, Henry Dreyfuss.
It addition to being arguably the greatest industrial designer of all
time, Dreyfuss was Jewish.
Here is a colorful perspective on Dreyfuss' times and his involvement
with AT&T, then one of the world's largest corporations:
Before the advent of Streamlining in the 1930s, there was
basically no such thing as industrial designers, there was
just these eccentric guys like Norman Bel Geddes and Henry
Dreyfuss, who were doing set design for Broadway stage
shows. Then they went along to these Robber Barron tycoons
of the 1930s, who were grinding the working class underfoot
as the shadows of fascism lengthened in Europe. And they
said, "Hey Mr. Capitalist! You really want to sell some
stuff in the middle of a global depression? Why don't you
make it shinier, and sleeker, and easier to use?" These
oppressive running-dog bosses from Westinghouse and AT&T,
they replied, "Why on earth should I pay some clown like
you anything when I can just have my own idiot nephew figure
out how the product should look?" and being Raymond Lowey or
Norman Bel Geddes you replied, "It is because I am a glamorous,
visionary genius!"
Actually if you were Henry Dreyfuss, you were even cooler
than that. Because Henry Dreyfuss, never boasted, he would
just put on his brown suit and he would go to the meeting of
the Board of Directors and he would draw a picture of his new
product re-design on a table napkin--only upside-down. Now it
takes about a week to figure out how to do this drawing upside
down, but the psychological effect is just stunning. Before
he drew them the picture upside down, they said, "Who is this
Henry Dreyfuss? Some kind of Broadway designer is he? He
sounds like he's Jewish." But once he drew the product, on
the napkin, upside down, they waited until he left boardroom,
then they told each other, "He's a supreme visionary genius!"
-- Author Bruce Sterling
speaking at the
International Contemporary Furniture Fair
in New York in May 2001
You can read about Henry Dreyfuss' work designing for the Bell System
and Western Electric at the Smithsonian Institution web site at:
http://ndm.si.edu/EXHIBITIONS/hd/archive.html and look for the book
"Henry Dreyfuss, Industrial Designer: The Man in the Brown Suit" by
Russell Flinchum (ISBN: 0847820106).
Or, in New York, visit the Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum's
department of Product Design & Decorative Arts and the Doris and Henry
Dreyfuss Study Center Library and Archive.
But, in the interest of inserting appropriate Jewish content, I have
digressed.
Returning to the topic of the Western Electric 302: it was introduced
in 1936 and was the first desktop phone that housed all of the apparatus
in a single desktop unit. The desktop phone which it superceded was the
202 which required a fairly large black metal box containing the ringer
bell and electronics to be mounted separately, usually near the
baseboard of a wall.
Originally, the bodies of the 302 phones were cast from metal and
painted. After 1941 thermoplastic technology had evolved to the
point where durable housings could be made. (The need for conserving
metal for the war effort also contributed to this conversion. The
total output of Western Electric during the war years was directed
to the use of the military, the government and businesses involved
directly in the war effort.)
There is a nice photo of the war-time manufacture of Model 302
phones at: http://www.oldphones.com/phonemakers.jpg
Since 1941 all Western Electric phones have had plastic housings.
Although the Western Electric 302 was produced in a wide range of
colors, the vast majority were black and the colored sets are rare.
The Bell System charged a hefty fee for the colored housing and hence
they were seen mostly in places like fancy hotels, in the homes of
the wealthy, or in elegant restaurants and night clubs (where the
waiter might bring one to your table and plug it into the wall so
that you could take an important call -- as you may have seen in
the movies of the era.)
In 1949, Western Electric introduced a new telephone, also designed
by Henry Dreyfuss, known as the Model 500. The Model 500 was more
rounded and had the numbers and letters located outside of the
dial's finger-wheel holes so that they would not be worn off by
heavy use. Because the Bell System had thousands and thousands of
302 sets in inventory and was still struggling to catch up with demand
for new phones in the early post-war years, a hybrid design called
the 5302 was developed. It consisted of a 500-like housing assembled
onto the refurbished innards of a 302. These 5302 phones are
recognizable because they had a smaller footprint than the 500 and
usually had the older style F-1 handset of the 302 rather than the
more angular G-1 used on the Model 500.
There is a picture of a Western Electric 302 set at:
http://www.oldphones.com/WE302.html
And a more detailed list of variations of this model, including a
picture of the transitional Western Electric 5302 set at:
http://users.rcn.com/phonestore/we300typ.htm
There is a picture of a Western Electric 500 set at:
http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/images/we_500cd.jpg
You should be able to determine the date of manufacture of almost
all Western Electric phones from dates stamped in paint on the base.
There may also be dates (month and year) on internal components and
on the transmitter and receiver "elements" which are in the handset
which can be accessed by unscrewing the ear and mouth end covers.
meirman
<to...@jeepalma.demon.co.uk> posted:
This sounds like fun. When I was little, my mother only gave me the
empty cans.
Dave Bell
> >Long before, when I was 9 or less, frisbees I used to have fun flying
> >the tops of coffee cans. When I did it one way (the right way?)
> >
> My wife still practices with the coffee can lids but she leaves them
> attached to the full can. (almost any kind of can works just as well)
> they don't fly very far as we have a small kitchen.
> She's got a very poor sense of direction as several cans have narrowly
> missed me.
Humor aside in that one, have you ever played with the rmainder, after
removing oth top and bottom of a can? The resulting flying cylinder is
another interesting device!
Dave
Scott
wrote:
> If you are aware................, WITHOUT LOOKING at your wrist watch,
> draw the face of it. Not many people can get even close, even though
> they look at it 20 times a day
Really?? What's so difficult about it? Start at 12 at the top, put 6
across from it. Then 3 at the far right, and 9 across from that. The
rest of the numbers can be easily filled in.
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PSmith9626
Get one of the cans with a plastic lid, and remove the metal top, replacing it
with the lid. Now cut a one inch circular hole in the bottom metal base.
Now place a burning cigarette into the can and aim the hole at something.
Give the plastic lid a short fast smack.
You will observe wonderful smoke rings
that can travel a dozen feet.
Using two such cans, you and a friend can observe the effects of colliding
rings--which will interact---form a confused pattern and --if moving on the
same straight line will reform and move right through each other.
best
Penny
p.s. Oh, the cheap toys of my childhood: anyone else use construction paper to
make giant paper airplanes that flew for a hundred feet?
Remember when a kite was something you made from a sheet of newspaper--and not
some plastic monstrosity that you bought in a store, preassembled and costing
twenty bucks.
The fun was in the making.
tom
> meirman <mei...@invalid.com> writes:
>
>>
> Returning to the topic of the Western Electric 302: it was introduced
> in 1936 and was the first desktop phone that housed all of the apparatus
> in a single desktop unit. The desktop phone which it superceded was the
> 202 which required a fairly large black metal box containing the ringer
> bell and electronics to be mounted separately, usually near the
> baseboard of a wall.
>
missed something somewhere, but... what was the phone which had
a circular base and had a tube-like something or other which rose
from the base about 10-12 inches, on the top of which was mounted
the mouthpiece (??), and the earpiece/receiver hung on the tubular
contraption about 3/4 the way up? As I recall, these phones were
self-contained. What I don't recall for sure is whether they had
any dialing apparatus, but I'd be inclined to say 'no.'
TIA
Ajax9E
dial, the later one did.
Lester
meirman
<Lester...@cox.net> posted:
>There were two versions of the upright phone. The earlier one had no
>dial, the later one did.
I think there were two of those, without the dials, in the cabinets in
the science room of the 8th grade wing. That is where the ham radio
club met, once? a week for an hour. In the middle of the day. You
could take two of those, a 1 1/2 volt dry cell and a little wire, and
have a conversation from one end of the room to the other. Probably a
lot farther with a few more volts.
Were they really called candlestick phones?
>>>
>>>
>>>Returning to the topic of the Western Electric 302: it was introduced
>>>in 1936 and was the first desktop phone that housed all of the apparatus
>>>in a single desktop unit. The desktop phone which it superceded was the
>>>202 which required a fairly large black metal box containing the ringer
>>>bell and electronics to be mounted separately, usually near the
>>>baseboard of a wall.
>>>
>>
>> Having hairy knuckles (the third stage of senility)I suppose I
>> missed something somewhere, but... what was the phone which had
>> a circular base and had a tube-like something or other which rose
>> from the base about 10-12 inches, on the top of which was mounted
>> the mouthpiece (??), and the earpiece/receiver hung on the tubular
>> contraption about 3/4 the way up? As I recall, these phones were
>> self-contained. What I don't recall for sure is whether they had
>> any dialing apparatus, but I'd be inclined to say 'no.'
>>
>> TIA
>>
meirman
(PSmith9626) posted:
>Dear dave,
>Get one of the cans with a plastic lid, and remove the metal top, replacing it
>with the lid. Now cut a one inch circular hole in the bottom metal base.
> Now place a burning cigarette into the can and aim the hole at something.
>Give the plastic lid a short fast smack.
> You will observe wonderful smoke rings
>that can travel a dozen feet.
>
>Using two such cans, you and a friend can observe the effects of colliding
>rings--which will interact---form a confused pattern and --if moving on the
>same straight line will reform and move right through each other.
>
>best
>Penny
>
>p.s. Oh, the cheap toys of my childhood: anyone else use construction paper to
>make giant paper airplanes that flew for a hundred feet?
You call that cheap? I couldn't afford paper like that.
>Remember when a kite was something you made from a sheet of newspaper--and not
>some plastic monstrosity that you bought in a store, preassembled and costing
>twenty bucks.
I did make a kite, from the paper bags that a new suit or winter coat
came in iirc. ?? Or maybe they were the bags the dry-cleaning came
in, especially a thick winter coat. Anyhow they were heavy-duty,
thick brown paper. And I used longer sticks than came with the 25cent
kites. But I should have used heavier string too, and the first or
second time flying, it broke the string and landed about 50 feet up in
the tree across the street, and I had to watch it there, hoping for
almost a year that it would fall down, while it stayed there I think
for two years or more.
Couldn't climb the tree because:
We had no ladder near tall enough to reach the first branch.
No way was I going to climb 50 feet up that tree, and out some
branch.
No way was my mother going to let me.
It was separated by a wall of tall thick bushes (and a fence?) from
the road.
It was on the property of the country club that wouldn't let Jews
join. Who knows what they would do if they caught a Jewish boy
climbing their tree?
> The fun was in the making.
meirman
old...@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear) posted:
>meirman <mei...@invalid.com> writes:
>
>>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:26:53 EST
>>From: meirman <mei...@invalid.com>
>>Newsgroups: rec.humor.jewish
>>Subject: Re: NJJF: Re: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>>
>>I have a phone that's older than I am, and I'm 57. It must be mobile,
>>I brought it from Chicago.
>>
>>I paid 99 cents for the phone and 15 cents for the handset, at
>>Olsen's, on Western Avenue, across from Allied Radio.
>>
>>Some day I have to find out how old it is. It's shaped like a woman
>>in a full skirt, with the dial on the front of her skirt, a trim waist
>>above that, and the handset cradle above that, in place of her head
>>and chest. The handset cradle is like a dachsund lying on its back
>>with its 4 legs sticking up in the air, and the handset goes from left
>>to right.
>>
>>It's outline, looking from the front was famous for decades as the
>>epitome of a phone.
>>
>>Is this description any good and if so, how old is the phone? I'm
>>thinking mid 40's, or earlier.
>
>
>That is the most poetic description I have ever heard of the classic
>Western Electric model 302 which was created by the world-renowned
>industrial designer, Henry Dreyfuss.
I haven't meant to be rude, Bear. I saved this post for when I had
time to relax, and enjoy all the urls you provided, along with your
own text.
But it turns out I wasn't describing the 302! Mine is older I think.
Or not. The 302 it says was from 1936 to 1954.
I guess I was too poetic the last time and not realistic enough.
Again, it is dark downstairs, the ceiling fixture in the dining "room"
is broken, and there is only one floor lamp on the opposite side of
the living room from where the phone is. Plus the floor is littered
with things. In other words, my mother doesn't allow me to go in
there at night.
I keep meaning to look during the day time, and I will.
But for now: The footprint is a circle. The bottom is the size maybe
of the top third of a small canteloupe, with the dial on the front.
Then, you know those four-legged canes they give codgers. Cut off all
but an inch of the top part, turn it upside down, make the four legs a
bit longer, attach the whole thing to the top of the canteloupe, and
put the handset on top of that, and that's the phone. The handsets
they were selling with the bottoms had a ridge up the middle, as your
picture of 5300's shows, and maybe 302's too. I guess that is how they
came. I'm using an old 50's coiled cord, but someday I should get
whatever was in use then, although your url picture seems to show that
a coiled black cord when back to the 40's??
http://users.rcn.com/phonestore/we5302.htm
And I'm using lamp wire to go from the phone to the wall. But
nothing else is changed. And it does work although there is no jack
in that part of the house.
>It addition to being arguably the greatest industrial designer of all
>time, Dreyfuss was Jewish.
I'm not surprised.
>Returning to the topic of the Western Electric 302: it was introduced
>in 1936 and was the first desktop phone that housed all of the apparatus
>in a single desktop unit.
Then maybe mine was produced simultaneously, maybe made by GTE or
whatever preceded that. Because I'm pretty sure I have a whole phone.
OK, except for the row of buttons at the front bottom, here is a
picture that's sort of close:
www.vtsindustrial.com/205a.jpg
When I searched for "old telephones" in google/images, this is the url
I got, from which I extracted the above. I wonder what all the
numbers and letters are for! :)
This is called a Western Electric 205 multiline, but if we get rid of
the buttons it will be a single line.
I looked at 12 pages of images and this was the closest I could find.
> The desktop phone which it superceded was the
>202 which required a fairly large black metal box containing the ringer
>bell and electronics to be mounted separately, usually near the
>baseboard of a wall.
>...
>
>There is a picture of a Western Electric 302 set at:
>
> http://www.oldphones.com/WE302.html
>
>And a more detailed list of variations of this model, including a
>picture of the transitional Western Electric 5302 set at:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/phonestore/we300typ.htm
>
>There is a picture of a Western Electric 500 set at:
>
> http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/images/we_500cd.jpg
>
>
>You should be able to determine the date of manufacture of almost
>all Western Electric phones from dates stamped in paint on the base.
>There may also be dates (month and year) on internal components and
>on the transmitter and receiver "elements" which are in the handset
>which can be accessed by unscrewing the ear and mouth end covers.
>
>Cheers,
>The Old Bear
>
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
> ... and with a resounding splash, Noah sent forth from the ark a Dov ... ©
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
>
>
tom
> meirman <mei...@invalid.com> writes:
>>
meirman
<mei...@invalid.com> posted:
>
>But it turns out I wasn't describing the 302! Mine is older I think.
>Or not. The 302 it says was from 1936 to 1954.
>
>
>I guess I was too poetic the last time and not realistic enough.
>Again, it is dark downstairs, the ceiling fixture in the dining "room"
>is broken, and there is only one floor lamp on the opposite side of
>the living room from where the phone is. Plus the floor is littered
>with things. In other words, my mother doesn't allow me to go in
>there at night.
>
>I keep meaning to look during the day time, and I will.
OK, I got it!
>But for now: The footprint is a circle. The bottom is the size maybe
Well I too was wrong about this! It's not circle, it's a rectangle,
wider than it is deep (3x2 ratio), with sides, front, and back that
bulge out like parentheses. The handset rack is 2/3rds of the way
back, the piece of paper in the middle of the dial is missing, as is
the celluloid cover and the black metal ring that holds it on. There
goes half the value?
The bottom I covered with red self-adhesive felt, and I'm not ready to
tear it off (It's 35 years old itself. That's almost antique.)
But most interesting, on the back, it says Stromberg Carlson! I once
knew that. I'm going to look for some background on it later.
>of the top third of a small canteloupe, with the dial on the front.
>
>Then, you know those four-legged canes they give codgers. Cut off all
>but an inch of the top part, turn it upside down, make the four legs a
>bit longer, attach the whole thing to the top of the canteloupe, and
>put the handset on top of that, and that's the phone. The handsets
>they were selling with the bottoms had a ridge up the middle, as your
>picture of 5300's shows, and maybe 302's too. I guess that is how they
>came. I'm using an old 50's coiled cord, but someday I should get
>whatever was in use then, although your url picture seems to show that
>a coiled black cord when back to the 40's??
The Old Bear
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:11:45 EST
>From: Scott <heim...@spamless.invalid>
>Newsgroups: alt.humor.jewish,rec.humor.jewish
>Subject: Re: NJJF: Re: How Aware Are You? (OT)
>
>Ray <R...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you are aware................, WITHOUT LOOKING at your wrist watch,
>> draw the face of it. Not many people can get even close, even though
>> they look at it 20 times a day
>
>Really?? What's so difficult about it? Start at 12 at the top, put 6
>across from it. Then 3 at the far right, and 9 across from that. The
>rest of the numbers can be easily filled in.
Are you sure that all 12 numbers appear on your watch dial and that
some of them are not replaced by little dots or hash marks? What is
the name of the watch company that appears on your watch? How is
the name spelled -- first letter capitalized, all letters capitalized,
etc. Is the name of the watch model or some feature like "quartz"
written on the face? Is there a little window with the day of the
month displayed? Where is the window located? Are the minute hand
and hour hand both the same shape? Are they both pointed like a
fence picket, rounded, squared off, or otherwise decorated? Does
you watch have a second hand? Is it the same color as the other two
hands? What color is the face? If your watch is digital instead of
analog, are the numbers displayed straight or do they lean
to the right like italic type? Does the LCD display show anything
other than the hour and the minute such as indicators of an alarm
function being on or off? Does anything on the display blink to
indicate the watch is functioning? Are seconds displayed? Does
the LCD display provide an indication of whether the time is AM or
PM? Is this indication the letters AM and PM, or nothing and PM,
or something else?
Bob Cowell
>Having hairy knuckles (the third stage of senility)I suppose I
>missed something somewhere, but... what was the phone which had
>a circular base and had a tube-like something or other which rose
>from the base about 10-12 inches, on the top of which was mounted
>the mouthpiece (??), and the earpiece/receiver hung on the tubular
>contraption about 3/4 the way up? As I recall, these phones were
>self-contained. What I don't recall for sure is whether they had
>any dialing apparatus, but I'd be inclined to say 'no.'
>
>TIA
Later ones did,
early ones didn't
I've seen both variations, and I don't have hairy knuckles,
There IS more hair growing in my ears than on top of my head though ;-)
bob
Ross Bernheim
> Actually there is an EU standard for _anything_, can you imagine an
> organization that combines the French organizational skills with German
> relaxed attitude to alternative methods of implementation and with the
> famous Italian efficiency? The shape of cucumber is clearly defined and
> if your cucumbers curve too much, you are not allowed to sell them.
> Finnish and and English sausages are re-classified as pastries (which
> makes sense, considering the meat content in them).
Having just spent a lot of time and money on getting CE certification on
a piece of electronic equipment (a plasma generator), your description
of EU standards seems more than accurate.
Also, I prefer the German sausages to the English.
Ross Bernheim
Ray
You are one savvy old buggar. Well done........
regards
Ray
lev...@uwm.edu
yes, no, yes, no,no,no,n,no,yes,yes,no
Does that help?
lord blake
> > 11. Which way does water go down the drain,
> > counter or clockwise?
>
> absolute baloney as pointed out by others. It depends which way the water is
> swirling based on how it comes into the sink/toilet.
>
The Coriolis effect applies to sink/toilets and hurricanes. Depending
on whether you are North or South of the equator, swirling fluids will
turn only clockwise or only conter-clockwise. I remember a physics
teacher saying that if you witness otherwise in your sink, then it's
time to call a plumber..
Note: of course before the phenomenon takes place there can be other
influences like the weight and strenght of water being thrown into the
sink. Just try it, there's a Nobel prize for you if you manage to
prove
Coriolis was wrong.
Fritz Whittington
and scribbled:
>>>11. Which way does water go down the drain,
Coriolis isn't wrong, but the effects are so small they are swamped by
other effects in the draining of toilets. Please take the time to look
at the following link:
http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.htm
A portion is quoted below:
> The twisting effect of the Coriolis force is real and does influence
> certain large things like the movement of air masses, but the effect
> is so small that it plays no role in determining the direction in
> which water rotates as it exits from a draining sink or toilet. The
> Coriolis effect produces a measurable effect over huge distances and
> long periods of time, neither of which applies to your bathroom.
> Toilets and sinks drain in the directions they do because of the way
> water is directed into them or pulled from them.
and concerning your physics teacher:
> The belief that the Coriolis force influences the direction in which
> water drains from plumbing fixtures is widespread and has been
> repeated as fact in a number of venues, including popular television
> shows (such as world traveler Michael Palin's /Pole to Pole/) and even
> in textbooks.
So it's not surprising that your physics teacher taught incorrectly;
after all, it was what was in the textbook...
--
Fritz Whittington
... "Bother," said Pooh, passing out with his head in the toilet bowl
Buddha Buck
Have you tried it? I bet with very little effort I can get a picture of
my double-sink draining, one clockwise, the other counterclockwise,
without living on the equator.
Coriolis was not wrong, but the key here is remembering Coriolis's
result. The degree of the Coriolis effect is dependent on the size of
the motion effected. The bigger the swirling system, the bigger the
Coriolis effect. A hurricane is large enough to be driven by the
Coriolis effect. A sink full of water isn't, compared to the other
things which would effect the system, like the direction the water
initially flowed in the sink.
Experiments have been done, involving large basins of water filled and
let sit for weeks to allow any initial conditions to be removed by
friction and to allow Coriolis forces maximum time to work, and Coriolis
has been shown to be mildly effective, under those conditions and scale,
to be effective. But I don't have that large a sink, nor that amount of
time.
j...@invalid.address
I don't think anyone was saying he's wrong, or that the Coriolis
effect doesn't apply to things like this. Only that the effect on
something like water in a sink is simply too small to be of any
consequence.
"Compared to the rotations that one usually sees (tires on a
travelling automobile, a compact disc playing music, or a draining
sink), the rotation of the Earth is very small: only one rotation
per day. The water in a sink might make a rotation in a few seconds
and so have a rotation rate ten thousand times higher than that of
the Earth. It should not be surprising, therefore, to learn that
the Coriolis force is orders of magnitude smaller than any of the
forces involved in these everyday spinning things. The Coriolis
force is so small, that it plays no role in determining the
direction of rotation of a draining sink anymore than it does the
direction of a spinning CD.
"The direction of rotation of a draining sink is determined by the
way it was filled, or by vortices introduced while washing. The
magnitude of these rotations may be small, but they are
nevertheless gargantuan by comparison to the rotation of the
Earth. I decided to include a picture of a draining sink, and the
first one I tried in my house was found to drain clockwise (the
opposite of what the silly assertions would have it do here in the
northern hemisphere). This direction was determined entirely by the
way the tap filled the sink. The direction of rotation of a
draining toilet is determined by the way the water just under the
rim is squirted into the bowl when it is flushed."
- http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
Joe
--
If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going
to stop them.
- Yogi Berra
Marvin Margoshes
"lord blake" <lord...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a261cf3.04040...@posting.google.com...
It is nice that you still remember what your teach taught you. But it isn't
correct. The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
>area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
>bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
>
Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
(Or so my son tells me.)
--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
Chocolate Gourmet and Expert Omphalopsychite
(often at the same time)!
~*~*~*~*~*~
Links to my Published Poetry http://davidachazan.homestead.com/
Buddha Buck
> (Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Mon, 12
> Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
> Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>
>
>>The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
>>area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
>>bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
>>
>
> Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
> of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
They are good showmen?
If you want to do the experiment yourself, put a string on the stopper
of your kitchen sink, stop up the sink, and fill it -- making sure that
the direction of flow of water into the sink is clockwise. Then let the
sink sit for 10 minutes, or until there is no noticable water flow.
Then pull the stopper, and watch which way the vortex forms.
Do it again, but this time make sure that the direction of flow of water
into the sink is counterclockwise. What which way the vortex forms then.
The amount of circulation needed to cause the vortex to go in one way or
the other is small -- it gets amplified by the flow of water out of the
bucket. So the African showman get good at subtly swirling the water in
the bucket. They might not even realise they are doing it.
Eliyahu Rooff
"Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady" <7zcm...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
message news:7n5l70pmra7usf7km...@4ax.com...
> (Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Mon, 12
> Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
> Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>
> >The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
> >area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink,
toilet, or
> >bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
> >
> Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
> of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
>
> (Or so my son tells me.)
>
demonstrations of three-card monte ... They're good at it, and it's an
easy way to make a living. The equator isn't a magical talisman that can
cause different things to happen just because someone moves a few feet
to one side or another.
Eliyahu
meirman
Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> posted:
>
>It is nice that you still remember what your teach taught you. But it isn't
>correct. The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
>area, like oceans and masses of air.
I tried pulling out the plug and draining the Atlantic Ocean, but it
flooded China. That's why they grow so much rice there now.
> In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
>bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
>
Eliyahu Rooff
The issue isn't whether or not Coriolis was wrong, but whether it
has any effect on small-scale events. Empirical testing has
demonstrated that it does not. Consider: the Coriolis effect is of
far lesser magnitude than the effect of gravity. Nevertheless, we
don't take the gravitational effect of individual objects upon each
other when moving them or conducting experiments that involve the
movement of objects weighing a few pounds each. While, in theory,
the mass of my body has gravity that will attract other bodies or
objects, it's so slight that we'd be hard pressed to envision an
experiment to measure it; let alone in which it made any difference
in the outcome. The Coriolis effect is the same way -- the design
and construction of sinks and toilets, the movement remaining in the
water after it's been placed within them, vibration, the movement of
air over the surface, all will have far more effect on the direction
in which it drains than will the effect of what Coriolis documented
for planetary events. In the case of toilets, for that matter, the
flush mechanism is designed to propel the water in a particular
direction, and is sufficient to overcome any other influences.
To show how pervasive the myths of the Coriolis effect are, consider
what I was taught as a firefighter. Our assistant chief was also a
civil engineer. He was adament that, when we used a fog stream on an
interior fire, we should only move it in a counter-clockwise
direction in order to take advantage of the Coriolis effect, no
matter whether we were facing north, south, east or west, or whether
we were using it horizontally or vertically, and that moving it
clockwise could result in the fire somehow pushing it out of the way
and reaching us. It was utter nonsense, but he taught that to
firefighters for over thirty years, and those guys are passing it on
to others as gospel.
Eliyahu
Fritz Whittington
>(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Mon, 12
>Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
>Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>
>
>
>>The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
>>area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
>>bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
>>
>>
>>
>Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
>of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
>
>(Or so my son tells me.)
>
>
A pretty good description of this scam and how it works is available at
the link already posted earlier:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
--
Fritz Whittington
... "Bother," said Pooh, as `Formatting Drive C' appeared on the screen
meirman
The Chocolate Lady <7zcm...@sneakemail.com> posted:
>(Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Mon, 12
>Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
>Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>
>>The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
>>area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
>>bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
>>
>Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
>of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
One of the websites posted pointed to this, or a link on the website
did. It might have been the one called Bad Coriolis.
The upshot is that the mountebank used a square bowl instead of a
round one, so turning the bowl around a vertical axis would definitely
transmit some of the motion of the bowl to the water inside it. He
would pick up the bowl while facing away from the audience, and at his
first location he would turn one direction, say CW, to face the
audience. Then he would walk to the other location and when he turned
to face the audience (which was following him), he would turn in the
other direction, say CCW, and so the vortex was begun by his turning,
and it was opposite in the two locations.
Also bear in mind that even if the Coriolis effect were enough to
affect a bowl of water at the latitudes of Boston and Rio de Janeiro
(and it's not) its effect 10 feet from the equator is 1/10,000 or
1/1,000,000 of what it is 1000 miles from the equator.
I doubt if, for oceans or large masses of air that are centered within
10 feet of the equator, or much more, the Coriolis effect is the
dominant force on which way they spin either. Because the effect
would be zero at the equator, slowly increasing as one moves away from
it. Also bear in mind that just as the length of the daylight hours
changes little each day around June 21 and December 21, and changes a
lot around March 21 and September 21, the circumference of the earth
is very little different 10 feet away, either north or south, when one
is at the equator, compared to the difference that 10 feet makes as
one gets closer to the north or south pole, or even halfway towards a
pole.
One website says that the Coriolis effect is dependant, for a reason I
don't understand yet, on the difference in the rotational speed of
something at great latitude, compared the the speed at the equator,
which is higher..
>(Or so my son tells me.)
Don Levey
> (Please NOTE: My correct e-mail address is in my Signature) On Mon, 12
> Apr 2004 07:58:04 EDT, during the rec.humor.jewish Community News
> Flash "Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> reported:
>
> >The Coriolis effect works best with fluids that cover a very large
> >area, like oceans and masses of air. In the ocnfines of a sink, toilet, or
> >bathtub, the effect is too slight to overcome other influences.
> >
> Then how is it that in Africa they like to take people to either sides
> of the equator with buckets of water and show them how this works?
>
> (Or so my son tells me.)
Sure - some guy with a funnel will do a demo for a few bucks.
Jiggle the funnel one way, get one direction of rotation. Jiggle the
other way, reverse direction. The real test is whether or not they let
you hold the funnel yourself.
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Framingham, MA at any moment. Most recent post has best
address.
Marvin Margoshes
"meirman" <mei...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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As air or water chnages latitude, it encounters a different rotational
speed, and is dragged along.
John Robertson
hole they dont believe me ,but I live in Australia !
<j...@invalid.address> wrote in message
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John Phillips
On Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 10:10:21 Thursday, 27 May 2004 (where I live), "John Robertson" wrote:
> Love telling folks I live where the water drains the otherway down the plug
> hole they dont believe me ,but I live in Australia !
But at the moment, because of the extended drought, we don't have any water.
Qantas has provided the whole of the Australian population with face wipes
for the daily bath.
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Is it just me, or is 300 bps not as fast as it used to be?
jhl
tad slower mate.
"John Phillips" <flatule...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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Ray
The drought is so bad here in Queensland, I got a letter the other day
with the stamp pinned to the letter and when the two dogs in heat were
having a go, they threw a bucket of dust over them
regards
Ray
maxine in ri
>
> John,
>
> The drought is so bad here in Queensland, I got a letter the other day
> with the stamp pinned to the letter and when the two dogs in heat were
> having a go, they threw a bucket of dust over them
>
> regards
>
> Ray
If you promise to take the mosquitoes with it, you can have half our
rain. We've enough to spare at the moment.
maxine in soggy ri
Ray
xine,
Thanks for the offer but we have mozzies of our own. BIG ones that have
been known to carry off children and cause the crash of 747's when they
are in the glide path!
regards
Ray