Fw: Nine Refrigerators
Phillip Sego
It seems this Hasid became very very rich very quickly, and had a house
designed and built just for him. When it was finished, he invited his
friend over to see it. It was a beautiful house, and his wife had hired
the best decorators. Everything was gorgeous. "Now for the best part,"
he
said, and led jis friend to the kitchen. It was a huge kitchen, and
against one wall there were nine big new refrigerators all in a row.
The friend's eyes grew big. "But why nine refrigerators?" he asked.
"Well, you know we've always had seperate refrigerators for fleishig and
milchig. And most kitchens only have a space for one refrigerator and
we
had to put one over in the corner where it was always in the way. So I
decided to have a kitchen made with space for two designed in right from
the beginning."
"But that's only two refrigerators," the friend said. "Why nine?"
"Well," said the Hasid, "when I was telling the architect what I wanted, I
decided it would be even better to have two more refrigerators, one for
fleishig and one for milchig, that would only be used for food to be eaten
on the Sabbath."
"I see," said his friend. "But that's only four refrigerators. What about
the other five?"
"Well, as long as I was going to so much trouble, I thought it would be
good to have two more, one for fleishig and one for milchig, to be used
just on Passover."
"Which makes six," said his friend. "But I suppose the next two are for
fleishig and milchig to be used on Sabbaths during Passover?"
"Exactly," saud the Hasid, beaming. "So. What do you think?"
"It's wonderful," said the friend, admiring the shiny refrigerators.
"But that's still just eight refrigerators. What's the ninth for?"
"Oh," said the Hasid. "That's for tref."
Andrew J. Brehm
> "Oh," said the Hasid. "That's for tref."
What's "tref"?
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> Phillip Sego <ps...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> > "Oh," said the Hasid. "That's for tref."
>
> What's "tref"?
>
Amy
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>tref = Not kosher.
tref = opposite of lies
maxine in ri
BTW, did anyone, particularly anyone observant, find the
refirgerator joke to be not funny?
Please reply directly to me at:
weedfam at hotmail dot com
and if there are enough responses, I'll post a synopsis.
(Personally, I found it to be pretty lame, but someone else felt it
was a terrible desecration of Judiasm etc.etc.etc.)
maxine in ri
Fred Rosenblatt
>j...@rafnortholt.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:37:55 EDT, "Amy" <ato...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >tref = Not kosher.
>>
>> tref = opposite of lies
>
>BTW, did anyone, particularly anyone observant, find the
>refrigerator joke to be not funny?
>
>Please reply directly to me at:
>
>weedfam at hotmail dot com
>
>and if there are enough responses, I'll post a synopsis.
>
>(Personally, I found it to be pretty lame, but someone else felt it
>was a terrible desecration of Judiasm etc.etc.etc.)
>
It kind of depends on the context. If told by a "nonOrthodox" Jew,
(it wouldn't be told by a nonJew, because they wouldn't get it in
the first place), it might possibly be a dig at the supposed ritualistic
hypocrisy of the Orthodox. If told by an Orthodox Jew, it might be
seen as a humorous reminder that we shouldn't let our praisworthy
attention to detail be a hinderance rather than a support for our
adherance to the underlying principles. That's a bit of a stretch with
this joke, since I can't see such a person actually eating treyf, but
the point could be made.
Not every "real" Jewish joke can show us all as Tzadikim, since of course
none of us are. What they can do is show us our foibles in a gentle humorous
way that is more likely to influence us to change than stern rebuke is.
====================================================================
Yitzchak and Yaakov had been learning together in chavrusa (study partners)
in the beis midrsh for many years. One day Yitzchak said, "Yaakov, I
can't keep this a secret any longer. I'm not Jewish!"
"Not Jewish? What do you mean? We've been learning together for years!"
"Well, I found myself drawn to the Jewish religion, and I've spent all
those years learning about it, but I never formally converted."
"But all these years you've kept Shabbos! You know that a nonJew is not
allowed to keep the laws of Shabbos in the way that a Jew does!"
"I know. That's why every Shabbos for all these years I've carried a key
in my pocket, so that I'm doing a melacha ("work") without anybody being
the wiser."
"But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
to carry keys!"
"Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
Eliyahu
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it. I'm inclined to think that the people who are horrified at this sort of
joke are often those who take themselves far too seriously. Part of the
humor in this sort of joke comes from looking at ourselves as others might
see us, taking the aspects of our lives that are "different" or a bit
"extreme," and pushing them to the logical conclusion and beyond. I'm
enjoying a mental image of how Mel Brooks would have fit this joke into a
movie, building a kitchen that looks like the appliance department at Sears.
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(Fred Rosenblatt) posted:
>In article <3B66BA7C...@hotmail.coma>, wee...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>j...@rafnortholt.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:37:55 EDT, "Amy" <ato...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >tref = Not kosher.
>>>
>>> tref = opposite of lies
>>
>>BTW, did anyone, particularly anyone observant, find the
>>refrigerator joke to be not funny?
>>Please reply directly to me at:
>>
>>weedfam at hotmail dot com
>>
>>and if there are enough responses, I'll post a synopsis.
>>
>>(Personally, I found it to be pretty lame, but someone else felt it
>>was a terrible desecration of Judiasm etc.etc.etc.)
>>
I've criticized one joke here for being anti-religious and I assured
you at the time, there were plenty of jokes, indeed all the other
jokes, that make fun of O that I don't mind. This is one of them.
But I'd heard it before and this version dragged on, no offense (maybe
I should have emailed like she said), and does anyone actually have
separate fridges for Shabbes, so I didn't like it much. I'm sure this
is an extension of three and often extensions are funny. Maybe this
should be told aloud.
>
>It kind of depends on the context. If told by a "nonOrthodox" Jew,
>(it wouldn't be told by a nonJew, because they wouldn't get it in
>the first place), it might possibly be a dig at the supposed ritualistic
>hypocrisy of the Orthodox. If told by an Orthodox Jew, it might be
>seen as a humorous reminder that we shouldn't let our praisworthy
>attention to detail be a hinderance rather than a support for our
>adherance to the underlying principles. That's a bit of a stretch with
>this joke, since I can't see such a person actually eating treyf, but
>the point could be made.
>
>Not every "real" Jewish joke can show us all as Tzadikim, since of course
>none of us are. What they can do is show us our foibles in a gentle humorous
>way that is more likely to influence us to change than stern rebuke is.
Right.
the joke below is funny because it is new to me and has two twists,
and maybe one that permeates it.
>====================================================================
>
>Yitzchak and Yaakov had been learning together in chavrusa (study partners)
>in the beis midrsh for many years. One day Yitzchak said, "Yaakov, I
>can't keep this a secret any longer. I'm not Jewish!"
>
>"Not Jewish? What do you mean? We've been learning together for years!"
>
>"Well, I found myself drawn to the Jewish religion, and I've spent all
>those years learning about it, but I never formally converted."
>
>"But all these years you've kept Shabbos! You know that a nonJew is not
>allowed to keep the laws of Shabbos in the way that a Jew does!"
>
>"I know. That's why every Shabbos for all these years I've carried a key
>in my pocket, so that I'm doing a melacha ("work") without anybody being
>the wiser."
>
>"But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
>to carry keys!"
>
>"Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
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remove the QQQ or not you are posting the same letter.
em
>
> Yitzchak and Yaakov had been learning together in chavrusa (study
partners)
> in the beis midrsh for many years. One day Yitzchak said, "Yaakov, I
> can't keep this a secret any longer. I'm not Jewish!"
Now THAT was a good one! (I'm observant, too).
EM
maxine in ri
As someone pointed out, this is an oooold joke, and only those
who are too full of themselves (or upon whom the shoe fits)
will be offended.
I'm waiting for the next incarnation, where the holier-than-thou
person builds a mansion with 13 kitchens....(gotta have pareve
ones, don't we?)
maxine in ri
Alan Goldstein
> "But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
> to carry keys!"
>
> "Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
>
Ok, question from a poor ignorant male of Jewish descent....what's "eruv",
and how does that make this a joke :)?
Chuck Orgel
areas during the sabbath except in a walled city.
An "eruv" is a symbolic creation of a "wall" around a neighborhood using
existing structures and a wire strung between them to enclose the area.
Some Ultra-Orthodox jews do not believe that this "eruv" is quite legal,
especially when the area so enclosed is quite large and encompasses a large
number of people.
The punchline is that this pretend jew is more finicky about jewish law than
the real jew.
"Alan Goldstein" <mys...@gate.net> wrote in
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Amy
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maxine in ri
> news:9khj9v$nc1$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
> > >
> > > "But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
> > > to carry keys!"
> > >
> > > "Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
> > >
> >
> > Ok, question from a poor ignorant male of Jewish descent....what's
> "eruv",
> > and how does that make this a joke :)?
An eruv is a defined area outside the home within which items may be
carried on Shabbat. Carrying is considered a form of work, and
therefore even a piece of lint in your pocket will constitute a
breech of Shabbat laws.
The joke is that the non-Jew doesn't believe that the eruv was set
up properly. O Jews spend ages discussing and disputing the
reputablility of one authority versus another. In this case, while
studying together, the non-jew has decided not to accept the
authority of the communitie's eruv, believing that the authority is
not correct in some aspect of it's construction.
for a more definitive and complex and confusing explaination, see
the threads "2000 amos" and anything with "eruv" in it on
soc.culture.jewish.moderated, running now on your local usenet server.
maxine in ri
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Dubinse
The only one I know is evening. But that doesn't seem to make sense here. >>
Finally the joke is funny!! Taking "erev" (evening) as
a pun on "eruv" (structure within which it is permitted
to carry things on the sabbath).
Stephen Dubin VMD
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Fred Rosenblatt
>> "Alan Goldstein" <mys...@gate.net> wrote in message
>> news:9khj9v$nc1$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
>> > >
>> > > "But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
>> > > to carry keys!"
>> > >
>> > > "Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
>> > >
>> >
>> > Ok, question from a poor ignorant male of Jewish descent....what's
>> "eruv",
>> > and how does that make this a joke :)?
>
>An eruv is a defined area outside the home within which items may be
>carried on Shabbat. Carrying is considered a form of work, and
>therefore even a piece of lint in your pocket will constitute a
>breech of Shabbat laws.
>
>The joke is that the non-Jew doesn't believe that the eruv was set
>up properly. O Jews spend ages discussing and disputing the
>reputablility of one authority versus another. In this case, while
>studying together, the non-jew has decided not to accept the
>authority of the communitie's eruv, believing that the authority is
>not correct in some aspect of it's construction.
It can be more than that. Some people may dispute whether the area
thus surrounded meets the criteria for an eruv in size, transient
population, and/pr proximity to other terrains. Others may not be
comfortable with the concept at all, or may wish to preserve knowledge
of the rules against carrying in case the eruv is dwon or they move to
another location.
Ariel
> An eruv is a defined area outside the home within which items may be
> carried on Shabbat. Carrying is considered a form of work, and
> therefore even a piece of lint in your pocket will constitute a
> breech of Shabbat laws.
Um, I'm pretty sure lint doesn't count as carrying.
For a silly example, what if you have lice? Are you carrying if you walk
outside? Or a stone stuck in the grooves in the bottom of your shoe.
Or a snowflake that lands on your head.
First off, intent matters - did you mean to carry this stuff? Is it
perhaps benefiting you (or anyone) in some way that you did.
Secondly halacha is not trying to drive you crazy, that you should remove
every microscopic piece of lint in your pocket. Or brush off every piece of
snow (and rain?) that lands on your head.
Finally lint can easily be considered part of your clothing and it thus
allowed. The same can be said for sand on your shoe, or snow - they become
part of your clothing.
I will however try to look it up, to see what exactly does qualify as
carrying.
-Ariel
Fred Rosenblatt
(Dubinse) wrote:
><<
>The only one I know is evening. But that doesn't seem to make sense here. >>
>
>Finally the joke is funny!! Taking "erev" (evening) as
>a pun on "eruv" (structure within which it is permitted
>to carry things on the sabbath).
They both come from the root ayin-resh-bet, roughly meaning "to mix".
In one case we are mixing a bunch of private residences into one
"communal residence", in the other the day and night are mixing into
twilight.
David Lloyd-Jones
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> According to orthodox jewish law a jew may not carry any object in public
> areas during the sabbath except in a walled city.
> An "eruv" is a symbolic creation of a "wall" around a neighborhood using
> existing structures and a wire strung between them to enclose the area.
On subject for panic among the ultra-frum is the question of the wire around
the eruv is intact -- and I understand that in some places there are
organized walks on Friday afternoon to make sure that it's all in place.
In Hamilton, Ontario, this problem does not occur. Rabbi Greene has settled
on the limits of the eruv being Hamilton Mountain, plus two sets of power
lines connecting Niagara Falls to Toronto on one end of the mountain and to
Western Ontario across the other end.
In the absence of Mohammad, PBUH, the Mountain is not likely to move. As
long as the lights are on, you know the wires are intact.
-dlj.
Samuel M. Saal
>
> According to orthodox jewish law a jew may not carry any object in public
> areas during the sabbath except in a walled city.
>
> An "eruv" is a symbolic creation of a "wall" around a neighborhood using
> existing structures and a wire strung between them to enclose the area.
>
> Some Ultra-Orthodox jews do not believe that this "eruv" is quite legal,
> especially when the area so enclosed is quite large and encompasses a large
> number of people.
>
> The punchline is that this pretend jew is more finicky about jewish law than
> the real jew.
Not just "finicky". There are plenty of Jews who feel that an eruv is
not appropriate. For example, it makes it difficult to teach children
that most places don't have an eruv and that carrying on shabbat isn't
automatically allowed.
> "Alan Goldstein" <mys...@gate.net> wrote in
> news:9khj9v$nc1$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net:
>
> >>
> >> "But Yitzchak! THERE'S AN ERUV IN THIS COMMUNITY! Jews are *allowed*
> >> to carry keys!"
> >>
> >> "Pah! That eruv? I don't hold by it!"
> >>
> >
> > Ok, question from a poor ignorant male of Jewish descent....what's
> > "eruv", and how does that make this a joke :)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Chuck Orgel
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> The only one I know is evening. But that doesn't seem to make sense
> here.
>
> --
> Amy
>
Evening is "erev".
I know it's hard to diffrentiate between the two words
without the "nikud" (vowel dots).
Fred Rosenblatt
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>"Chuck Orgel" <news_...@orgels.net> wrote in message
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>> According to orthodox jewish law a jew may not carry any object in public
>> areas during the sabbath except in a walled city.
>> An "eruv" is a symbolic creation of a "wall" around a neighborhood using
>> existing structures and a wire strung between them to enclose the area.
>
>On subject for panic among the ultra-frum is the question of the wire around
>the eruv is intact -- and I understand that in some places there are
>organized walks on Friday afternoon to make sure that it's all in place.
It isn't a matter of panic, but of honesty. One criticism of eruvs, mostly
from Jews who would carry anyway or Christians eager to point out the
"excessive legalism" of Judaism, is that they find the whole idea to be
a symbolic way of getting around the law. People who care about eruvs
counter that an eruv is a real enclosure that unites those within. If they
were to be lax about ensuring the physical integrity of their eruv that
argument would certainly be weakened.
>In Hamilton, Ontario, this problem does not occur. Rabbi Greene has settled
>on the limits of the eruv being Hamilton Mountain, plus two sets of power
>lines connecting Niagara Falls to Toronto on one end of the mountain and to
>Western Ontario across the other end.
>
>In the absence of Mohammad, PBUH, the Mountain is not likely to move. As
>long as the lights are on, you know the wires are intact.
We used to use freeways on three sides and power lines on the fourth, but
had to move the line north to a fourth freeway because we were somehow
interfering with the power company. Checking usually requires looking at
the wires strung across the on and off ramps. Experience has shown that in
Southern California it doesn't take a Mohammed to move a freeway, but in
that case the eruv would be the least of our problems.
See:
Chuck Orgel
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>
> On subject for panic among the ultra-frum is the question of the wire
> around the eruv is intact -- and I understand that in some places there
> are organized walks on Friday afternoon to make sure that it's all in
> place.
>
I remember back in Eretz Yisrael (pre Independence), Rabbi Katz, the chief
Rabbi of Petach Tikvah, would every friday make an inspection tour of the
city's "eruv" in a horse drawn carriage. His driver had tools and materials
to make what ever repairs were necessary.
A green flag would be displayed at the Central Shul if the "eruv" was
intact, a red flag if it was not. My father would always make sure to pass
by the shul on his way home from work on fridays to check the flag.
Now, when I see a green flag, I wonder what Libyan "dignitary" is visitng
<G>.
Dubinse
intact, a red flag if it was not. My father would always make sure to pass
by the shul on his way home from work on fridays to check the flag. >>
Back in 1957, A blue flag was flown on the water
tower to indicate that a cow was in heat and that
the artificial inseminator should stop in. We also
used the term "degel cachol" ("blue flag") as a
slang term to indicate sexual receptivity or
eagerness in people. Is that term still in use?
At least it is more subtle than "horney."
Jack Kessler
carry) by it.
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Fred Rosenblatt
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> I thought it was a stupid double entendre on "hold" - he doesn't hold (i.e.
>carry) by it.
"Hold" in Yinglish means to stop or stay, so that if you didn't accept
the eruv and suddenly found yourself outside with an object in your
pocket, you would "hold" until Shabbos was over.