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late Victorian US heraldry ID? (Providence RI)

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Nathaniel Taylor

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:46:49 PM12/18/09
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Here's this morning's idle musings. Can anyone come up with the ego of
these arms?

http://nltaylor.net/sketchbook/archives/676

I'm being lazy -- of course I should check on the history of the house.

Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://www.nltaylor.net/sketchbook/

Turenne

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:15:37 PM12/18/09
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The answer I think, is Kimball:

http://www.kimballcastle.com/benjamin-kimball.html

Richard L

Nathaniel Taylor

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:37:34 PM12/18/09
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In article
<fa374397-7401-44c4...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Turenne <rick.l...@virgin.net> wrote:

Yep, thanks! Now how did you find that?

Turenne

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:55:18 PM12/18/09
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Nat wrote:
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> Yep, thanks!  Now how did you find that?
>
> Nat Taylor
> a genealogist's sketchbook:  http://www.nltaylor.net/sketchbook/

I went into my motto database, found the name, and then er...searched
around the net. Sorry - I'd like to say it was from hours of heraldic
research but....

Richard

Nathaniel Taylor

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Dec 18, 2009, 7:55:42 PM12/18/09
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In article
<70564cd5-070c-4099...@g7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Turenne <rick.l...@virgin.net> wrote:

Still impressive! But now that I try myself, googling "'fortis non
ferox' lion rampant crescents" gives exactly two hits of which one is a
discussion of these Kimball arms etc.

Greg

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:25:54 AM12/19/09
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---Where --- is your motto data base? Thats' a very nice
resourse . . .

Turenne

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Dec 19, 2009, 5:35:26 AM12/19/09
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Greg wrote:
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>  ---Where --- is your motto data base?  Thats' a very nice
> resourse . . .

It's just something that I am putting together myself. I sometimes
find that with unidentified arms, a motto is a good place to start.

Did you notice Kimball's house; unusual isn't it? They're in the
process of turning it into an hotel.

http://www.kimballcastle.com/

Richard

Nathaniel Taylor

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Dec 19, 2009, 8:46:38 AM12/19/09
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In article
<b5388809-c2d1-443a...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Turenne <rick.l...@virgin.net> wrote:

> Did you notice Kimball's house; unusual isn't it? They're in the
> process of turning it into an hotel.
>
> http://www.kimballcastle.com/

Looks like they're trying to sell it. I used to spend summers near there
in the New Hampshire lakes region, but wasn't aware of this particular
pile. New England is dotted with these -- Hammond Castle in Gloucester,
Massachusetts comes to mind, a big wedding venue. Not to mention the
Higgins Armory Museum in Worcester, one of the biggest medieval arms &
armor collections in the Western Hemisphere, in a gothic factory on the
outskirts of a post-industrial city.

Medievalist industrialists were the great supporters of US heraldry from
1870 to 1940! I still need to figure out the connection to the house at
Brown, but with a name to search for that won't be hard.

Greg

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:17:47 AM12/19/09
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The place is (beautiful). The best to the new owners if it's sold.
There is a place like that in Pacifica Calif on a hill over looking
the Pacific. It's not too far from where I live. The stones were
brought over from Europe. I'll see if I can find something online
about it.

Turenne

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Dec 19, 2009, 1:09:14 PM12/19/09
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Nat wrote:

>I still need to figure out the connection to the house at Brown, but with a name to search for that won't be hard.

There appears to be an 18th and 19th century collection of English
literature assembled by Walter H. Kimball, Class of 1894. Maybe the
arms relate to him..

The hotel blurb states: 'The crest was created by John Kimball of
Concord, New Hampshire. John Kimball was Benjamin Ames Kimball's older
brother'. Could Walter be John's son?

Richard

Greg

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Dec 19, 2009, 1:11:56 PM12/19/09
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Here's the link to the Pacifica castle: I remember seeing it often
when I was very young: we had friends in the town.
http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/sams.htm

Chris Pitt Lewis

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:02:10 PM12/19/09
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<4e60de8f-5e2c-4df9...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Turenne <rick.l...@virgin.net> writes

Might it also be worth investigating Charles Dean Kimball, who was
Governor of Rhode Island 1901-1903?
--
Chris Pitt Lewis

Greg

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:48:59 PM12/19/09
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> when I was very young: we had friends in the town.http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/sams.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's a much better picture of the Pacifica castle:
http://www.halfmoonbaymemories.com/2006/01/

Turenne

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Dec 19, 2009, 3:01:05 PM12/19/09
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Here's a fun site:

http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/index.htm#oh

A friend of my father's transplanted an English castle brick by brick
to The States; sadly, I've forgotten which one it was..

Richard L

RJO

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Dec 19, 2009, 4:23:28 PM12/19/09
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On Dec 18, 2:46 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
> Can anyone come up with the ego of these arms?  
>
> http://nltaylor.net/sketchbook/archives/676

The standard 19th-century Kimball genealogy gives a brief description
and commentary on these arms:

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofkimball01morr#page/32/mode/2up

RJO

Greg

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Dec 20, 2009, 3:05:01 PM12/20/09
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It's funny you should say that, because my father told me years ago,
that the owner of that castle transported it: brick by brick . . .

Turenne

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Dec 21, 2009, 10:05:49 AM12/21/09
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Greg wrote:
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> It's funny you should say that, because my father told me years ago,
> that the owner of that castle transported it: brick by brick . . .

Maybe it's the same guy who bought the wrong London Bridge!

RL

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