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Trey

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Jan 10, 2003, 12:34:30 AM1/10/03
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Hello, I am hoping to take an independent study in heraldry this coming
semester at my high school, but to do so, I need to come up with a
syllabus for it, and was wondering if anyone in this newsgroup would be
kind enough to help me. The course would be approximately an hour every
day for ninety days.

I thought that part of the curriculum could be:

1. Basic heraldic elements
2. Charges
3. Blazoning and Emblazoning
4. Differencing
5. History of Heraldry
6. Misconceptions about Heraldry
7. Church Heraldry
8. Civic Heraldry
9. Personal Heraldry
10. Differences in the Heraldry of different nations
11. Modern Heraldry

I would love more suggestions or help.

Thank you,

Trey Shehan

Tim Powys-Lybbe

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Jan 10, 2003, 7:38:51 AM1/10/03
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In message <MPG.1888255a5...@news.rockbridge.net>

12. Arms of a name
13. Inheritance of arms
14. Quartering of arms
15. Assumption of arms
16. Crests, mottoes and badges

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Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org

Richard d'Apice

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Jan 10, 2003, 8:30:26 PM1/10/03
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Trey <tshehan@rockbridge[remove].net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1888255a5...@news.rockbridge.net>...


Herewith some proposed amendments to your proposed curriculum with
your numbering in brackets:

1: Overview of heraldry and its function (historic and current,
including examples from your local area - personal, municipal,
educational, state, federal, church, armed forces etc)
2: History of heraldry (5)
3: Differences in the heraldic traditions and practices of different
nations (10) and a decision on and rationale for the tradition which
you chose as the perspective from which you intend to study heraldry
4: Sources of formal heraldic authority in different nations
(including your own if it has an heraldic authority) - prescriptive
rights, grants and matriculations
5: The situation where formal heraldic authority is not exercised
(including your own if it has no heraldic authority)- assumptions,
devisals etc
6: Basic elements of a coat of arms (1)
7: Tinctures, furs, partition lines, divided fields
8: Charges (2), ordinaries and sub-ordinaries
9: Differencing, marshalling, cadency and augmentations (4)
10: Blazoning and emblazoning (3), tricking and hatching
11: Sovereign heraldry
12: Personal heraldry (9)
13: Civic heraldry (8)
14: Church heraldry (7)
15: Ownership of arms - especially personal arms and "family" arms
16: Misconceptions about heraldry (6)
17: Modern heraldry (11)

You might care to round off your 90 hours of study with a formal
examination by a body such as the Heraldry Society (England) (refer:
http://www.theheraldrysociety.com/services/exam.htm ) or the Royal
Heraldry Society of Canada (refer: http://www.hsc.ca/exam.htm ) which
also publishes the excellent Canadian Heraldic Primer.

Good luck.

Richard d'Apice

Brian M. Moore

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Jan 10, 2003, 8:47:51 PM1/10/03
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Trey,

I commend your selection. My favorite part of heraldry deals not with
coats-of-arms, but in the traditional activities: heralds as messengers,
ambassadors, and such. I would suggest you cover that some.

Brian M. Moore

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"...for the Holy Ardour that irradiates all things is brightest in which
is most like itself."

- Paradiso, Canto VII Dante Alighieri

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Sweet Tree

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Jan 11, 2003, 10:13:10 AM1/11/03
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"Tim Powys-Lybbe" <t...@powys.org> wrote in message
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17. Marshalling of arms (perhaps an extension of Tim's 14)

My hat is off to your school!

Randal Carr
_________________
"Risk everything, or gain nothing"
GEOFFREY DE CHARNY, 1358


Philip Anderson

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Jan 11, 2003, 1:21:25 PM1/11/03
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Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in message ...

<snip>


>12. Arms of a name

Shouldn't this come under 6. Misconceptions about Heraldry?

>13. Inheritance of arms
>14. Quartering of arms

I agree with these, which go together.

>15. Assumption of arms

Shouldn't this come under 10. Differences in the Heraldry of different
nations?

>16. Crests, mottoes and badges

--
hwyl/cheers
Philip Anderson
Cymru/Wales

Philip Anderson

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Jan 11, 2003, 1:17:18 PM1/11/03
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Richard d'Apice wrote in message ...

>Trey <tshehan@rockbridge[remove].net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1888255a5...@news.rockbridge.net>...
<snip>

>> I thought that part of the curriculum could be:
>>
>> 1. Basic heraldic elements
>> 2. Charges
>> 3. Blazoning and Emblazoning
>> 4. Differencing
>> 5. History of Heraldry
>> 6. Misconceptions about Heraldry
>> 7. Church Heraldry
>> 8. Civic Heraldry
>> 9. Personal Heraldry
>> 10. Differences in the Heraldry of different nations
>> 11. Modern Heraldry
<snip>

(apologies for quoting both lists, but I think getting the order right
is important)

I think I prefer Trey's ordering; the logical place to start, at least
after looking at the origin of heraldry (later history can come later),
is with the basics of heraldry, his 1-3.

Then perhaps more history, before topics such as differencing,
marshalling and heraldic authorities which follow naturally from the way
heraldry developed from rules of thumb to an art to be learned by
gentlemen (and managed by officials).

Misconceptions about Heraldry should not be left too late either!

Trey

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Jan 12, 2003, 8:34:53 PM1/12/03
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:34:30 -0500,
Trey (tshehan@rockbridge[remove].net) says:


> Hello, I am hoping to take an independent study in heraldry this coming
> semester at my high school, but to do so, I need to come up with a
> syllabus for it, and was wondering if anyone in this newsgroup would be
> kind enough to help me. The course would be approximately an hour every
> day for ninety days.
>


Thanks for all your help!

Trey

D. L. Phoenix

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Jan 13, 2003, 12:56:49 AM1/13/03
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I picked up three university credits through a combination of my de
facto internship at the College of Arms and the Heraldry Society
elementary exam. I think the exam would be a good guide, though you
can't actually take it until summer. It seems to make teachers very
happy to see the exam curriculum laid down by a governing body.

<http://www.theheraldrysociety.com/services/exam.htm>

Dan

Michael F. McCartney

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Jan 13, 2003, 3:18:38 AM1/13/03
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Between your own initial proposal & the thoughtful responses of several
readers, you have more than enough topics for your allotted 90 hours. At this
point, rather like a hungry hiker at a casino buffet in Reno, you need to
assess what you really want, how much you can digest in the time you have, and
how to organize your return visits to the dessert tray without making yourself
sick.

Seriously, a few practical considerations are yet to be discussed, including:
What will your teacher want to see in terms of work product? How much (if
anything) does he/she know or care about heraldry? hmm...well, how much ditto
re: European history, & which period(s) will ring his/her chimes? Should you
focus on (translated: Will teacher resonate best to...) history? political
developement? economic & social structure (e.g. feudalism)? art (e.g.
examples from different schools - gothic, rococco, etc)? comparisons between
different countries (how do different national styles & emphases reflect
different national cultures & political structures)? Or is a straight "survey
of heraldry" the recommended menu for the day? If you spend most of your time
on history (e.g. origins & different national legal approaches to heraldry, or
whatever) and teacher is expecting bright colors and examples of different
artistic styles, you will likely both be disappointed (she in you, & you in the
grade). Similarly, if you submit a survey of heraldic art while teacher is
looking for the impact or usefulness of heraldry re: the War of the Roses or
the rise of the mercantile class...

The second practical consideration is information resources -- what material is
reasonably available in local/ area libraries, museums, heraldic monuments of
whatever sort. etc.? The internet is a good resource --start with
www.heraldica.com, - Francois' heraldic tours (photos) from Italy & Malta are a
good resource, & likely as close to "original data" as you're likely to get, &
you should be able to download them, if Francois doesn't object -- but the web
is unlikely to be enough, especially when it comes to footnoting your report!

Don't promise your teacher (or yourself) what you can't deliver within 90 days
under your local circumstances. If you are near (& have ready access to) a
really top-notch university library with a good European hisorty amd art
collection, or the Library of Congress etc., great; but if you're limited to
the local public library & maybe a community college in a small town, see
what's there first!! (Don't limit yourself to "929.6" or whatever the Dewey
decimal code is for heraldry; look also especially for major encyclopedias -
some of the larger many-volume foreign language encyclopedias, if available,
may have good info & illustrations/photographs of historical heraldry in that
particular national tradition -- my local library has a particularly nice
Italian encyclopedia with several pages of photos of medieval & renaissance
heraldry in Florence & other cities. Also look very carefully at works on art
history & numismatics -- the heraldry illustrated in paintings, sculptues,
silver- & goldwork, & old coins will likely be incidental, but will at least
demonstrate to teacher that you delved as deeply as you could under the
circumstances.

Thirdly, as others may have mentioned or implied, you will need some
overarching theme or organizing principle for your report. One possibility
(doubtless one of many!) might be to consider the three aspects of heraldry at
any given time & place - Art (styles etc), "Science" (blazon, differencing,
quartering, - the technical stuff), and Law (ownership, descent, .and legal
controls). Adding the "4th dimension" of time (history & development over
time), you have an analytical scheme that may be useful.

You could use these "dimensions" as in effect "chapter heads" (so many weeks to
each) with the longer lists of topics divided between them. Perhaps more
usefully, introduce these dimensions briefly at the start, but use them, as
applicable, to organize your study & report on each of the longer list of
topics individually -- this would give a reasonably consistent structure to
each topic, and hopefully help ensure that you don't miss anything really
important.

Hope this rambling dissertation helps. As a "C" student who painfully learned
what it takes to make B+ or A- (my only A+ as a college undergraduate was on my
blood test :), I learned the hard way that organization and a plan of attack
that acknowledged both the particular teacher's interests/biases, and my
"resource" strengths & weaknesses, was necessary to success. (Not sufficient -
still have to do the work! - but necessary.)

And whatever advice from me or others you take or reject. enjoy the project!!

Mike~~

Michael Fannin McCartney
Fremont, California
(Delete "delete" from e-mail address)

eirikr1

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Jan 13, 2003, 4:44:23 PM1/13/03
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"Philip Anderson" <pjand...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in message ...
>
> <snip>
> >12. Arms of a name
>

Not necessarily. We get so caught up in correcting popular mythology on this
subject, we forget that there is such a thing in some circumstances.


eirikr1

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Jan 13, 2003, 6:31:04 PM1/13/03
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"Trey" <tshehan@rockbridge[remove].net> wrote in message
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12. Attributed Heraldry (or Mythic Heraldry)
13. Fantasy Heraldry
14. Domain and Dominion Heraldry


Fish

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Mar 5, 2003, 8:22:05 PM3/5/03
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> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 05:56:49 GMT,
> D. L. Phoenix (mag...@randomcreation.com) says:
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> > I picked up three university credits through a combination of my de
> > facto internship at the College of Arms and the Heraldry Society
> > elementary exam. I think the exam would be a good guide, though you
> > can't actually take it until summer. It seems to make teachers very
> > happy to see the exam curriculum laid down by a governing body.
> >
> > <http://www.theheraldrysociety.com/services/exam.htm>
> >
> > Dan
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> I am very interested in taking this examination. What books should I
> read to study from for the basic examination?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Trey

Sorry for the repeat, I usually use X-no-archive, and often times, people
on this newsgroup don't see it.

Trey

D. L. Phoenix

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Mar 6, 2003, 3:05:28 AM3/6/03
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Can't recall for sure. Recent annotated editions of Fox-Davies
<i>Complete Guide to Heraldry</i> and <i>Boutell's Heraldry</i>, and
Friar and Ferguson's <i>Basic Heraldry</i>. I think C.W. Scott-Giles's
<i>Romance of Heraldry</i>(?) too.

Write to the secretary of the Heraldry Society and he/she (don't know
who it is since Mrs. Miles retired) can tell you.

Dan


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