Post-nominal Letters

[Dan Phoenix]

All this talk of prenomials has jogged something in my memory. I figure
this has got to be the best newsgroup for this topic. Can anyone give me
a reference for post-nominal letters. Hopefully something I can find in
this desert of knowledge caled Arizona. I've got De La Bere's 'Queens
orders of Chivalry', and that filled me in on all the UK Orders. KB,
GCVO, etc. I know BT., Esq., FSA and FHS, but beyond that I get lost.
Take for example the Earl Marshal. Fully:
His Grace the Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal, KG, GCVO, CB, CBE, MC, DL.
I recognize Garter, Victorian Order, Bath, and British Empire. I would
guess that MC is a Masters degree of some sort perhaps? DL? Doctorate of
Law? I don't think one would put a masters before a doctorate. I've also
seen KCSG, WS, LL.B. Where can I really find out about this stuff? I'm
an Eagle Scout. A highly respected award. Maybe I oughta start tacking
an ES onto the end of my name. :-) THX.

Dan Phoenix

[Dr J.C. Horton]

Dan Phoenix wrote:

> All this talk of prenomials has jogged something in my memory. I
> figure
> this has got to be the best newsgroup for this topic. Can anyone give
> me
> a reference for post-nominal letters. Hopefully something I can find
> in
> this desert of knowledge caled Arizona. I've got De La Bere's 'Queens
> orders of Chivalry', and that filled me in on all the UK Orders. KB,
> GCVO, etc.

I don't think K.B. has been used since the Order of the Bath was split
into three grades (G.C.B., K.C.B., C.B.) - about 1814.

> I know BT.,

(If BT. is meant to refer to "Baronet" then it should be noted that the
second letter is always in lower case i.e. Bt.)

> Esq., FSA and FHS, but beyond that I get lost.
> Take for example the Earl Marshal. Fully:
> His Grace the Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal, KG, GCVO, CB, CBE, MC,
> DL.
> I recognize Garter, Victorian Order, Bath, and British Empire. I would
>
> guess that MC is a Masters degree of some sort perhaps? DL? Doctorate
> of
> Law? I don't think one would put a masters before a doctorate.

M.C. - Military Cross. A decoration for junior officers in the army
(though the rules have been amended lately).
D.L. - Deputy Lieutenant [of a county]. In His Grace's case, presumably
Sussex (West or East).

(More fully, a duke is actually "The Most Noble". However, there is an
even more complete description which I don't recall at present.)

> I've also
> seen KCSG, WS, LL.B.

K.C.S.G. - Could this have been K.C.S.I. (Knight Commander of the Most
Exalted Order of the Star of India)?W.S. - Writer to the Signet - a
legal distinction in Scotland.
LL.B. - Bachelor of Laws - a university degree.

[Patrick Cracroft-Brennan]

In article <34DD44EE...@geocities.com>, Dan Phoenix
<danph...@geocities.com> writes

>All this talk of prenomials has jogged something in my memory. I figure
>this has got to be the best newsgroup for this topic. Can anyone give me
>a reference for post-nominal letters. Hopefully something I can find in
>this desert of knowledge caled Arizona. I've got De La Bere's 'Queens
>orders of Chivalry', and that filled me in on all the UK Orders. KB,

>GCVO, etc. I know BT., Esq., FSA and FHS, but beyond that I get lost.

>Take for example the Earl Marshal. Fully:
>His Grace the Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal, KG, GCVO, CB, CBE, MC, DL.
>I recognize Garter, Victorian Order, Bath, and British Empire. I would
>guess that MC is a Masters degree of some sort perhaps?

MC = holder of the Military Cross (a very high ranking British award for
gallantry)

> DL? Doctorate of
>Law? I don't think one would put a masters before a doctorate.

DL = Deputy Lieutenant of a particualr County

> I've also
>seen KCSG,

KCSG = Knight Commander of the Order of St Gregory (a Papal Order)

> WS,

WS = Writer to the Signet (the Scottish equivalent to an English
Solicitor)

> LL.B.

LL.B = Bachelor of Laws (the basic UK law degree)

> Where can I really find out about this stuff? I'm
>an Eagle Scout. A highly respected award. Maybe I oughta start tacking
>an ES onto the end of my name. :-) THX.
>
>Dan Phoenix

Patrick Cracroft-Brennan
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[Patrick Cracroft-Brennan]

In article <34DDB976...@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk>, "Dr J.C. Horton"
<ccz...@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk> writes

>Dan Phoenix wrote:
>
>> All this talk of prenomials has jogged something in my memory. I
>> figure
>> this has got to be the best newsgroup for this topic. Can anyone give
>> me
>> a reference for post-nominal letters. Hopefully something I can find
>> in
>> this desert of knowledge caled Arizona. I've got De La Bere's 'Queens
>> orders of Chivalry', and that filled me in on all the UK Orders. KB,
>> GCVO, etc.
>

>I don't think K.B. has been used since the Order of the Bath was split
>into three grades (G.C.B., K.C.B., C.B.) - about 1814.
>
>
>> I know BT.,
>
>(If BT. is meant to refer to "Baronet" then it should be noted that the
>second letter is always in lower case i.e. Bt.)
>
>

>> Esq., FSA and FHS, but beyond that I get lost.
>> Take for example the Earl Marshal. Fully:
>> His Grace the Duke of Norfolk, Earl Marshal, KG, GCVO, CB, CBE, MC,
>> DL.
>> I recognize Garter, Victorian Order, Bath, and British Empire. I would
>>

>> guess that MC is a Masters degree of some sort perhaps? DL? Doctorate

>> of
>> Law? I don't think one would put a masters before a doctorate.
>

>M.C. - Military Cross. A decoration for junior officers in the army
>(though the rules have been amended lately).
>D.L. - Deputy Lieutenant [of a county]. In His Grace's case, presumably
>Sussex (West or East).
>
>(More fully, a duke is actually "The Most Noble". However, there is an
>even more complete description which I don't recall at present.)

"The Most High, Mighty and Puissant Prince....etc....etc"

>
>> I've also

>> seen KCSG, WS, LL.B.
>
>K.C.S.G. - Could this have been K.C.S.I. (Knight Commander of the Most
>Exalted Order of the Star of India)?W.S. - Writer to the Signet - a
>legal distinction in Scotland.
>LL.B. - Bachelor of Laws - a university degree.
>
>
>

Patrick Cracroft-Brennan

[Cook SLC]

There is an immense list of postnomials attached to the Niadh Nask page.

Debrett's Correct Form has a shorter list, but it is given in order of
precedence and contains a litany of rules..

CDR Glen Andre Cook, JAGC, USNR, JD (see, anybody can do it!<G>)

[Dan Phoenix]

Lovely! I suppose then I could get away with C/Col D. Lincoln Phoenix,
AFJROTC, ES, SARM, NSAM etc...