Anybody Know What An Ignot is?
Glenn Woolum
can't find any information about what an ignot looks like. Can anyone point
me in the right direction? I suspect "ignot" is an old english word because
I can't find any reference to it in any of the heraldry references.
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Regards,
Glenn Woolum
Brian M. Scott
Can you give us the whole blazon? The closest word that I know is an
obsolete adjective <ignote> 'unknown'.
Brian M. Scott
Don-S-S
Hi Brian,
I think you will find that the word is "Ingot" especially if it is Or.
Ingots are usually of gold and are shown as an elongated rectangle.
Don.
Carr of that Park
"Don-S-S" <nos...@heraldicgraphics.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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So is an Ingot merely a gold billet?
Randal
Glenn Woolum
> >can't find any information about what an ignot looks like. Can anyone
point
> >me in the right direction? I suspect "ignot" is an old english word
because
> >I can't find any reference to it in any of the heraldry references.
>
> Can you give us the whole blazon? The closest word that I know is an
> obsolete adjective <ignote> 'unknown'.
>
> Brian M. Scott
The Blazon of Arms for Woollums is described as:
per chevron per pale azure and gules and argent, guttee-de-poix, two ignots
or fessways in chief and a fleece in base proper.
Crest:
in front of a palm tree on a rock proper, a lion couchant reguardant per
pale indented azure and gules supporting with the dexter forpaw an ignot or
erect.
As you can see, ignot (or) is used in the blazon as well as in the crest.
I've done a ton of searches on many heraldry sites with no mention of the
word "ignot" and no mention of the word "ingot" (looking for a mispelled
reference).
Interestingly, I found the word "ignot" as a very common mispelling of
"ingot" on metallurgy, mining, and wholesale metal sites. I also found that
quite a few gaming sites (those with a druidic, or olde world theme)
commonly have objects called "ignots" that are brought on a quest.
The only physical description of an ignot (in gaming that I could find) is
that it looks like a bar of platinum. I know that gaming sites probably
aren't the best reference, but it gets me thinking that an ignot might be
something like a bar or rectangle shape in heraldry. There could have been
some derivation that makes the gamers want to use the word which could have
come from an archaic english source. I haven't found any references to prove
my hunch though.
It's possible that ignot was merely another way of saying "billet" in
heraldry, but I've found no official reference to back it up.
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Regards,
Glenn Woolum
Glenn Woolum
> I think you will find that the word is "Ingot" especially if it is Or.
> Ingots are usually of gold and are shown as an elongated rectangle.
> Don.
Don, do you know of a heraldry reference that makes mention of "ingot"? If I
saw the word ingot, I would likely chalk up "ignot" as a misspelling. After
all, I'll bet many words were as commonly misspelled in the 14th century as
they are today.
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Regards,
Glenn Woolum
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Park <randa...@altavista.com> writes:
>
Well I suppose it could be but as I understand it a billet is a "ticket" and
usually a lot shorter than an Ingot. An ingot is a term on its own and as I
said it is a lot longer, just like this explanation ;-)
Don
Tim Powys-Lybbe
"Glenn Woolum" <gwooly-...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Might it be a misprint for "ingot" and then might that be "billet"?
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"A Dictionary of Heraldry" by Charles Norton Elvin describes "Ingots of Gold"
on page 43 item 46. Also there is a reference in Parker's Glossary of Terms
to "Ingots of Metal". I'm sure there are others that someone may come up
with.
If your blazon describes "Ingots of Gold" or "Ingots Or" then you can be
pretty sure you now have the correct spelling.
Brian M. Scott
Parker s.v. Metal:
Blocks of metal are frequently introduced into heraldry,
and are called by different names, and are generally
conventionally represented. We find _ingots_ of gold,
_cakes_ of copper, _blocks_ of tin, and _pigs_ of lead.
He notes the arms of Wilson, Sneaton Castle, Yorks.: 'Argent, on a
chevron between three mullets gules a crescent or; on a chief azure
three ingots of gold palletwise, fretted with another in bend proper.'
The accompanying illustration shows a rectangular charge whose
proportions are roughly 6:1 (estimating by eye); it is marked at
intervals with diagonal lines and looks rather like a flattened
cardboard tube from a roll of paper towels. There is also an
illustration of a cake of copper; its proportions are within a
reasonable range of variation for billets.
Brian M. Scott
Patrick Cracroft-Brennan
Glenn Woolum <gwooly-...@earthlink.net> writes
Err...a spelling error, perhaps?
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Glenn Woolum wrote:
Past attitudes were a lot more lackadaisical about spelling. Shakespeare
alternately signed his own name at least 3 different ways...
Sam McCracken
"Patrick Cracroft-Brennan" <herald...@londwill.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:lCZAeYAs...@londwill.demon.co.uk...
> In article <whfm7.4484$d86.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Glenn Woolum <gwooly-...@earthlink.net> writes
> >I have ignots in my family's Blazon of Arms description and Crest, but I
> >can't find any information about what an ignot looks like. Can anyone
point
> >me in the right direction? I suspect "ignot" is an old english word
because
> >I can't find any reference to it in any of the heraldry references.
> >
>
> Err...a spelling error, perhaps?
>
In "Krazy Kat," Ignatz Mouse bore gules six ignots or; I've always assumed
these were canting arms, whatever ignots might be. But I suppose if they
were ingots, they might have stood for the bricks Ignatz was wont to throw
at Krazy.
SMcC
Glenn Woolum
I'm going to go with the opinion that an "ignot" is merely a current
misspelling of "ingot" as is found in some heraldic texts (per Don). Since
the term ingot is familiar and is always associated with a metal, I believe
that one would always find it to be referred to as 'ingot or' or 'ingot
argent' referring to gold or silver.
I'm satisfied that an ingot would appear as an elongated billet with the
exception that it would always have a tincture that is associated with a
metal. Perhaps this distinction wouldn't be necessary other than to elongate
the billet charge without the need for futher description.
--
Regards,
Glenn Woolum
Brian M. Scott
>Glenn Woolum wrote:
However, <ignot> is not a possible normal variant of <ingot> at any
time; it can only be an error. Pre-modern spelling was variable but
not capricious.
Brian
hst...@127.0.0.1
Patrick:
Just dropped by, your query caught my eye.
"Ignotus" in Latin means unknown, stranger, inglorious, low-born, ignoble,
vulgar, ignorant.
Anyone you know?
Howard Browne
hst...@127.0.0.1
Forgive me. I tried, but can't resist: does anybody know how to depict an
egress? I have been shown one many times but can no longer remember.
Hstormb
enquiries@nospam@heraldicgraphics.demon.co.uk
writes:
>
>>
>Forgive me. I tried, but can't resist: does anybody know how to depict an
>egress? I have been shown one many times but can no longer remember.
>
>Hstormb
I think someone is having a wee laugh here. Your spelling seems to have also
suffered.
Of course you mean an Ogress, which is another name for a pellet, or the black
member of the roundel family.
Nice try.
Don.
Edwin King
>
>
> Forgive me. I tried, but can't resist: does anybody know how to depict an
> egress?
You could follow the sign and see where it takes you...
Edwin
Odysseus
>
> Forgive me. I tried, but can't resist: does anybody know how to depict an
> egress? I have been shown one many times but can no longer remember.
>
--Odysseus