looking for .351 Winchester ammo
YKYTE
Looking for .351 Winchester ammo. Bottom of case may be marked "351 SL".
Looks like a .38 Special with an extra half inch of length. Rifle is a
Winchester model 1907.
Please respond to yk...@aol.com
I am in the Denver, CO area.
Dan
On 25 Feb 1998 09:15:40 -0500, yk...@aol.com (YKYTE) wrote:
~Looking for .351 Winchester ammo. Bottom of case may be marked "351 SL".
~Looks like a .38 Special with an extra half inch of length. Rifle is a
~Winchester model 1907.
~Please respond to yk...@aol.com
~I am in the Denver, CO area.
I went to the T&S Pleasanton CA show a month ago and saw some .351 Win.
.351 Winchester - Half a dozen boxes for $40.00-$50.00 / Box of 50. Some of
the boxes were shrinkwraped in the manner that collectors use to preserve the
box.
Huntingtons has new Bertram brass for the princely sum of 28.98/20 cases. Item
#B214 http://www.huntingtons.com/Bertram.html Not sure where you will find
.351 bullets.
Cases can also be made from .357 Maximum but it looks like a lot of work.
The ammo isn't unobtanium, only uncommon and expensive. Was curious about it
because someone asked me about it.
The 1907's I've seen were not collectables; I wonder if it would be feasable to
rebarrel such a gun in something like .38 Super.
Zappa
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I have one single example of such a shell.!
I found it mixed in with a bag of .30 carbine shells I bought at a show.
I was curious as to what it was, but found it listed in "Cartridges of the
World".
From what I gather, it was a lame performer and propriatory to the 1907 rifle.
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Ed Loomis
On 26 Feb 1998 19:19:50 -0500, y...@wco.com (Dan) wrote:
#
#I went to the T&S Pleasanton CA show a month ago and saw some .351 Win.
#
#.351 Winchester - Half a dozen boxes for $40.00-$50.00 / Box of 50. Some of
#the boxes were shrinkwraped in the manner that collectors use to preserve the
#box.
#
#Huntingtons has new Bertram brass for the princely sum of 28.98/20 cases. Item
##B214 http://www.huntingtons.com/Bertram.html Not sure where you will find
#.351 bullets.
#
#Cases can also be made from .357 Maximum but it looks like a lot of work.
#
#The ammo isn't unobtanium, only uncommon and expensive. Was curious about it
#because someone asked me about it.
#
#The 1907's I've seen were not collectables; I wonder if it would be feasable to
#rebarrel such a gun in something like .38 Super.
Since .351 Winchester is a semi-rimmed case, this would make some
sense at first glance. However a rifle that size and weight firing .38
Super seems a bit absurd. If the magazines can be made to feed and the
action will handle the pressure, the .357 Magnum would seem a better
choice. The .351 Winchester case is only .09" longer than the magnum
and the rims differ by only .03" in diameter and .01" in thickness. If
the gun is up to the cartridge the .357 would seem a logical choice.
Has anyone tried this yet? Would any of the gunsmiths on this group
who are knowledgeable about Model '07 Winchesters care to comment?
Ed Loomis
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Paul Baechler
e...@wco.com (Ed Loomis) wrote:
# On 26 Feb 1998 19:19:50 -0500, y...@wco.com (Dan) wrote:
# #
# #The 1907's I've seen were not collectables; I wonder if it would be
feasable to
# #rebarrel such a gun in something like .38 Super.
#
# Since .351 Winchester is a semi-rimmed case, this would make some
# sense at first glance. However a rifle that size and weight firing .38
# Super seems a bit absurd. If the magazines can be made to feed and the
# action will handle the pressure, the .357 Magnum would seem a better
# choice. The .351 Winchester case is only .09" longer than the magnum
# and the rims differ by only .03" in diameter and .01" in thickness. If
# the gun is up to the cartridge the .357 would seem a logical choice.
# Has anyone tried this yet? Would any of the gunsmiths on this group
# who are knowledgeable about Model '07 Winchesters care to comment?
The 1907 Winchester is a blowback operated rifle designed specifically for
the .351. The relevant parameters of the .351 are 180 gr bullet, 1850 fps,
and 45,000 cup. The .38 Super would definitely not be a functonal
conversion, the .357 would be doubtful.
Dan
On 26 Feb 1998 19:19:50 -0500, y...@wco.com (Dan) wrote:
~Huntingtons has new Bertram brass for the princely sum of 28.98/20 cases. Item
~#B214 http://www.huntingtons.com/Bertram.html Not sure where you will find
~.351 bullets.
~
Correction: This might not be the correct brass. It might be .35 SL for the
which is a different cartridge used in the 1905 Winchester. Check with the
vendor.
Dan
Jon
# The 1907 Winchester is a blowback operated rifle designed specifically for
# the .351. The relevant parameters of the .351 are 180 gr bullet, 1850 fps,
# and 45,000 cup. The .38 Super would definitely not be a functonal
# conversion, the .357 would be doubtful.
Incorrect. The .357 will function and even feed in the 1907 EXCEPT the
rims are too wide to fit in the magazine. You can drop .357 rounds in
the barrel singly and fire them all day long.
1) Cut/trim a .357 max case to correct length
2) Turn rim in a lathe or, if unavailable, use a file and a drill press
3) FL size and you have a brand new .351 case.
IMR4227 is the best powder. Cast bullets for the .357 will work okay
although oversize.
Buffalo Arms has brass and I have dies and jacketed .351 bullets if you
need them.
J.
Paul Baechler
Jon <wes...@bigsky.net> wrote:
# # The 1907 Winchester is a blowback operated rifle designed specifically for
# # the .351. The relevant parameters of the .351 are 180 gr bullet, 1850 fps,
# # and 45,000 cup. The .38 Super would definitely not be a functonal
# # conversion, the .357 would be doubtful.
#
# Incorrect. The .357 will function and even feed in the 1907 EXCEPT the
# rims are too wide to fit in the magazine. You can drop .357 rounds in
# the barrel singly and fire them all day long.
I wouldn't know. I never had the desire to fire a .358 bullet through a
..351 bore, just like I never had a desire to fire 7mm in a 270 or 6.5mm in
a 25.
Jon
Paul Baechler wrote:
#
# # # The 1907 Winchester is a blowback operated rifle designed specifically for
# # # the .351. The relevant parameters of the .351 are 180 gr bullet, 1850 fps,
# # # and 45,000 cup. The .38 Super would definitely not be a functonal
# # # conversion, the .357 would be doubtful.
# #
# # Incorrect. The .357 will function and even feed in the 1907 EXCEPT the
# # the barrel singly and fire them all day long.
#
# I wouldn't know. I never had the desire to fire a .358 bullet through a
# ..351 bore, just like I never had a desire to fire 7mm in a 270 or 6.5mm in
# a 25.
Well, first of all ALOT of the .351's I've come across have been
oversize. Second, I should have been a bit more specific: LEAD .357
rounds will work fine (.38 spl too). I have fired both, jacketed and
lead, and there really isnt any resultant problems. Admittedly, I shot
far more lead than I did jacketed. Getting a bullet reduction die from
Corbin for $90 allowed me to size .358" jacketed bullets to .351" later
on.
J.
John Kavanagh
I have a Winchester 1905 in .35 WSL in fairly rough shape that I have
experimented with. It will function and fire, as is, using .38 super, .38
special and .357 magnum handloaded ammunition using lead bullets. I know
that the bore diameter is .351 but the bore on mine is worn and I have
been using .355 diameter lead bullets. Due to he strength of the recoil
spring it still takes a stout load to fully cycle the rifle.
While .38 super will work from the magazine, the rims on .38 special and
.357 magnum are too large.
John
On 28 Feb 1998, Paul Baechler wrote:
> ...
jessi.jo...@gmail.com
Martin Eastburn
you can find them on the 'cowboy' shooter web sites - making custom
Brass and loads.
Martin
Just Wondering
# Isn't that supposed to be a 38-40 ?! called a Winchester 38 Win . Maybe
# you can find them on the 'cowboy' shooter web sites - making custom
# Brass and loads.
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