flash sight picture?
Sean Elkins
Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
heck is that?
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Rosco Benson
#==========Sean Elkins, 8/28/96==========
#Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
#heck is that?
The "flash" sight picture is a sight picture, taken quickly, during
presentation of the piece. Further, in the "flash" sight picture, the
shooter does not use the sight picture to align the piece, but uses
the sight picture to VERIFY alignment, already achieved by
muscle memory. That is to say that the shooter does not present
the piece, look thru his sights, and go "okay, a little left..come up
a tiny bit...GO!". Instead, it's more of a "is it right?...yes, it's right...
GO!"
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Turiyan Gold
elk...@galileo.mis.net (Sean Elkins) wrote:
#Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
#heck is that?
A quick focus of the eyes to see if the sights are aligned. IMO,
sights are overated.
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Sean Elkins wrote:
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# Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
# heck is that?
#
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# Sean Elkins- Educator, Mac user, Responsible Gun Owner
#
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# quality education. Nothing else is a better investment.**
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# ***********************************************************When a firearm is fired in a low light situation you get a 'flash' from the muzzle
blast. "Flash sight picture" is using this flash like a camera flash. It will illuminate
the target for a brief second and burn the picture into your retina. You then use this
information to correct your aim on the follow-up shot. To try this out, turn the lights
off in a room and then look in any direction in the room, flip the lights on and back
off quickly and you will see an 'after image' of what you were facing.
Mickey R. Blair
Sean Elkins wrote:
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# Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
# heck is that?
#
# ***********************************************************
# Sean Elkins- Educator, Mac user, Responsible Gun Owner
#
# **If we must spend tax dollars, let's spend them on a
# quality education. Nothing else is a better investment.**
#
# elk...@pop.mis.net (preferred)
# sl...@aol.com
# ***********************************************************
He may be talking about a technique used in low light shooting conditions. This is where the
shooter uses the muzzle flash to verify sight alignment and sight picture. The eye reacts the
same way a camera does when the flash goes off. This is a combat shooting technique taught because
the majority of combat shootouts take place in little or no light.
Mickey Blair
Firearms Instructor
Julius Chang
In article <50aqla$6...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, gree...@sierra.net wrote:
#Sean Elkins wrote:
##
## Jeff Cooper talks anout something called a "flash sight picture." What the
## heck is that?
#When a firearm is fired in a low light situation you get a 'flash' from the
muzzle
#blast. "Flash sight picture" is using this flash like a camera flash. It will
illuminate
#the target for a brief second and burn the picture into your retina. You then
use this
#information to correct your aim on the follow-up shot. To try this out, turn
the lights
#off in a room and then look in any direction in the room, flip the lights on
and back
#off quickly and you will see an 'after image' of what you were facing.
This "camera flash" explanation is wrong. A flash sight
picture is simply a rapid acquistion of the sight
picture to confirm alignment of the sights on the
target.
"Flash" refers to time, not to light.
-Julius
Mike Raley
Julius Chang wrote:
#
# This "camera flash" explanation is wrong. A flash sight
# picture is simply a rapid acquistion of the sight
# picture to confirm alignment of the sights on the
# target.
#
# "Flash" refers to time, not to light.
#
# -Julius
Julius is right. However, the "camera flash" effect is useless for
aiming. But an awful lot of fun at parties!
Try this: go into a dark room. Give yourself several minutes to get
dark adapted. Fire your flash off in the direction you are facing.
Now, don't move your eyes! You can move your head, but if you move
your eyes the image will vanish. Within a couple of seconds, a true
image will appear. Here's the disconcerting part: it's frozen in time
of course. You can walk around, and still see the same image. So it's
pretty well useless for aiming, because you can't tell how much to move
your hand. At least, that's my opinion.
Now for the fun stuff! Get a "victim" in the room with you. Wait for
dark adaptation. Face each other from a few feet away, tell them not
to move their eyes, and get them to fire the flash at you. In a couple
of seconds they will go "Cool", or somesuch. Now walk over to them and
touch them. It will blow their mind, if they haven't done this before.
Because (if you haven't been paying attention) they see you where you
were, not where you are. It's really disconcerting, but a fun effect.
Scientific American had an article (Amateur Scientist, maybe?) about
this 11 or 12 years ago.
I have no idea if a handgun muzzle blast is bright enough to elicit
this effect.
Mike
Darrell E. Mulroy
I love cooper, but he's out to lunch on this one. He thinks when you
are faced with death you will look at a front sight. Nonsense.
1. Self defense shootings are about 90% 21 feet or less. Who needs
sights?
2. Self defense shootings take place 85% of the time in low light or
darkness..HOW WOULD YOU SEE YOUR SIGHTS?
3. Assumption you would look at gun and not threat. Again, nonsense.
Such sillyness asks you to defy the laws of physics and common sense.
For those that have never "done it", it is easy to find some theories.
Trust me..when you think someone is going to kill you, you look at the
threat not the gun.
If Pamala Anderson walked by in her red swim suit who could tell what
color her shoes were. And if you get bit by a dog, who looks at the
tail. Common sense folks...not theories.
Todd Louis Green
On 4 Sep 1996 15:28:08 -0400, moth...@popmail.skypoint.com
(Darrell E. Mulroy) said to everyone in rec.guns:
#I love cooper, but he's out to lunch on this one. He thinks when you
#are faced with death you will look at a front sight. Nonsense.
Unless, of course, you're trained to do so.
#1. Self defense shootings are about 90% 21 feet or less. Who needs
#sights?
Me. Past near-contact distance, me me me. I've
practiced "point" shooting and flash-sight shooting at 20 feet,
and [1] there is no difference in speed as far as getting off the
first shot, because I can actually bring the gun up to eye level
about as fast as I can bring it up to shoulder level, and [2] the
aimed fire is much more accurate.
#2. Self defense shootings take place 85% of the time in low light or
#darkness..HOW WOULD YOU SEE YOUR SIGHTS?
Tritium. Perhaps you've heard of it?
#3. Assumption you would look at gun and not threat. Again, nonsense.
#Such sillyness asks you to defy the laws of physics and common sense.
#For those that have never "done it", it is easy to find some theories.
#Trust me..when you think someone is going to kill you, you look at the
#threat not the gun.
[1] The gun IS the threat.
[2] Plenty of folks do indeed focus in on the gun. I
had an opportunity about a year ago to do some Simunition
training, and people left the class with bloody hands because so
many of them were getting "shot in the gun." In another class I
took just recently, the instructors painted knives and guns onto
the "shoot" targets. MANY people were putting their rounds into
the black paint instead of the A-zone. Again, I believe it's a
matter of training. If you don't have enough experience [read:
calmness and confidence] to take deliberate shots instead of just
spraying and praying, it shouldn't happen.
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You will do under stress what you practice repetetively. If you learn to
assess threat
situations with the idea of putting your first round in the most effective
part, and learn
to truly use a firearm, when you are confronted by a threat you will do
what must be
done to end the threat. That includes "flash sight pictures", a target
stance, shooting
from the prone position, and unloading and putting your brass in your
pocket prior to
reloading. This has been documented so many times by so many authorities
that it
is indisputable. If you choose to arm yourself with a pistol with which
you have not
engaged in the most serious training, you will have to live with the
consequences,
usually premature or inappropriate use of force, wasted ammunition, or your
own
death or injury.
Just an aside, I am a 22 year police veteran, firearms instructor, and USMC
Viet
Nam veteran, I do have a little knowledge on this subject.
Good Shooting
Bill
Chris Lym
Mike Raley (br...@mindspring.com) at br...@mindspring.com wrote:
:
: I have no idea if a handgun muzzle blast is bright enough to elicit
: this effect.
I imagine so. On the cover of one of Ayoob's books, a photograph was
taken using no other light other than that provided from the blast of his
.357mag. It appeared to be at night in total darkness.
Chris