.30 Remington AR
George
Remington designed a .30 caliber cartridge to fit the standard length AR
type rifle.
" Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle. Our new 30
Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the
venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
AR-10 platform."
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# " Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
# performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle. Our new 30
# Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to
# the
# venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
# platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
# AR-10 platform."
Sounds an awfully lot like (and ballistically looks extremely similar to)
the 7.62x39, which has been in the AR15 platform for some time now. The
differences between it and the .308 Winchester are distinct.
Don't know of Remington is trying to expedite recovery from the .17 HMR
debacle or not, but their advertising is, at best, creative.
SaPeIsMa
#
# Remington designed a .30 caliber cartridge to fit the standard length AR
# type rifle.
#
# " Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
# performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle. Our new 30
# Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to
the
# venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
# platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
# AR-10 platform."
#
Now that is interesting.
Should put an interesting spin on the 6.8 variants debate
Gunner Asch
#http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/centerfire-families/30-remington-ar.aspx
#
#Remington designed a .30 caliber cartridge to fit the standard length AR
#type rifle.
#
#" Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
#performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle. Our new 30
#Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the
#venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
#platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
#AR-10 platform."
So whats its advantage when fired in a 6.5lb rifle over the 6.5mm
cartridges such as the Grendal etc etc?
Gunner
George
# the 7.62x39, which has been in the AR15 platform for some time now. The
# differences between it and the .308 Winchester are distinct.
I know the 7.62 X 39 has been offered in the AR type rifle for a while but
It doesn't seem to be popular and I seem to recall it doesn't fit the action
very well.
George in Las Vegas
Tony W
Tony
sta...@prolynx.com
# It looks like a .30 Savage to me. �What's the specs on it?
#
# Tony
#
As the other poster said, basically 7.62x39, only it's Remington's and
there's not tens of millions of guns out there that shoot it. One
article was gassing on about how it's going to replace the .30-30.
Don't think there's going to be a lot of '94 and Marlin owners buying
into THAT, much as the owners of Rem. would like to have that wet
dream come true. The .30 Rem was the previous rimless incarnation of
that package, ballistically. I guess since the 6.8 isn't lighting any
sales fires, they've got to do something.
Stan
Tom S.
# It looks like a .30 Savage to me. What's the specs on it?
#
#
A .300 Savage?
Louis Boyd
# It looks like a .30 Savage to me. What's the specs on it?
It's essentially the 450 Bushmaster necked down to 30 cal but it can
only handle relatively light bullets as there just isn't enough room in
an AR-15 magazine. It is more powerful the than 7.62x39 but it's not a
308 Win. no matter what Remington says. Certainly you can hunt deer
with it in an AR-15. A 6.5 Grendel 6.8 SPC, 300 Whisper, 7.62x39, 450
Bushmaster, 458 Socom, and 50 Beowulf are all suitable for deer hunting
with an AR-15 with various tradoffs of range and terminal performance.
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/remington-introduces-new-30-remington-ar-cartridge/
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
# Sounds an awfully lot like (and ballistically looks extremely similar to)
# the 7.62x39
Not really - with 125gr @ 2,800fps, its quite a bit more powerful than
the 7.62x39, which runs about 2,250fps.
Louis Boyd
# So whats its advantage when fired in a 6.5lb rifle over the 6.5mm
# cartridges such as the Grendal etc etc?
#
# Gunner
The 30 RAR has 44 grains case capacity compared to the 7.62x39's 35.5
and the 308's 56.0 grains. They all have more muzzle energy than the
Grendel which is based on the 7.62x39 case. The thing which is unique
about the 6.5 Grendel is its ability to shoot very low drag 123 to 139
grain bullets. It doesn't start with a lot of energy but it retains it
very well and has as much energy at 800 to 1000 yards than a typical
308. Far more then the 7.62x39 or the 30 RAR. But most deer hunting is
under 300 yards.
For deer hunting with an AR-15 the 30 RAR could easily become the most
popular cartridge. It has more energy than the Grendel and the 6.8 SPC
with a larger diameter bullet, but better range and flatter trajectory
then the 458 Socom or 50 Beowulf. It has more energy than the other two
30's, the 300 Whisper and 7.62x39.
Will it sell? Probably. Especially if brass, reamers, dies, barrels,
and bolts become available besides complete rifles. An attraction of
AR-15's they're fun to assemble. Saying the 30 RAR is similar to a 308
Win is like saying a 22LR is similar to a 22Magnum. They have
similarities. More powerful isn't necessarily more popular. AR-15's
are lighter, cheaper, and currently more popular than AR-10s. I doubt
that will change soon.
D. Staples
# http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/centerfire-families/30-remington-ar.aspx
#
# type rifle.
#
# " Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
# performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle. Our new 30
# Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the
# venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
# platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
# AR-10 platform."
#
Does not Armalite have a .308 AR design? Reinventing the wheel, seems
to me.
Giampingjack
cartridge for light rifles, more poverful that russian 7,62x39. chambered
only in the CZ Vzor 52 (rifle, not the pistol adopted in the same year.
Vzor 52 = model of 1952)
after some years rechambered for politically reasons to the 7,62x39 (Vzor
52/57)
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Gunner Asch
<bo...@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote:
> ...
Good post and thanks.
Being a California residence..Ive not paid a lot of attention to ARs
over the years.
Gunner
Jim
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# On Jan 3, 8:24 pm, "Jim" <j...@cox.net> wrote:
# # Sounds an awfully lot like (and ballistically looks extremely similar
# to)
# # the 7.62x39
#
# Not really - with 125gr @ 2,800fps, its quite a bit more powerful than
# the 7.62x39, which runs about 2,250fps.
If muzzle velocity is your only focus, that's true.
Unfortunately, the cartridge sheds about 45% of its energy in the first 200
yards, probably a little bit above average hunting range, making it even
less effective than the AK round. Remington is being more than a little
creative in their advertisements by calling the cartridge comparable to the
..308.
"Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
performance in a lightweight R-15 modular repeating rifle."
(no Remington, it wasn't the first time)
"Our new 30 Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics
similar to the venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our
lightweight R-15 platform.
(Horse hooey but for the pressure statement)
"Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier AR-10
platform."
(As long as you don't count the 7.62x39 AK round, that's true.)
As interesting as it may be for those interested in all things new and
gee-whiz, I'll pass. It doesn't offer much new or improved.
jaf
"D. Staples" <fores...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hhtabp$26k$1...@news.albasani.net...
# George wrote:
# # http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/centerfire-families/30-remington-ar.aspx
# #
# # Remington designed a .30 caliber cartridge to fit the standard length AR
# #
# # " Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
# # Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the
# # venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
# # platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
# # AR-10 platform."
# #
# Does not Armalite have a .308 AR design? Reinventing the wheel, seems
#
Armalite makes the AR-10 in .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO & .338 Federal
The .30AR is a new and different cartridge.
John
Misifus
# George wrote:
# # http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/centerfire-families/30-remington-ar.aspx
# #
# # Remington designed a .30 caliber cartridge to fit the standard length AR
# #
# # " Now for the first time, Remington� brings you 30 caliber hunting
# # Remington� AR cartridge produces big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the
# # venerable 308 Win. with pressures perfectly suited to our lightweight R-15
# # platform. Comparable terminal power was once only available in the heavier
# #
#
Armalite does, but this is Remington saying that the AR-10 (.308) models
are heavier than the AR-15 series, and that this new model is an AR-15 type.
-Raf
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Rafael Seibert
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Ralph Mowery
They have the AR-10 which is a larger gun but looks like the AR15 style.
There are several rounds that let you use your lower receiver and change the
upper. On limitation is the round must be short enough to fit the AR 15
magazine well. By doing this , you only have one caliber registered to you
, and can order any of the uppers without the FFL it takes to get a lower
receiver or whole gun shipped to you.
RBnDFW
# On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:00:21 +0000 (UTC), Louis Boyd
# <bo...@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote:
#
# > ...
#
# Good post and thanks.
#
# Being a California residence..Ive not paid a lot of attention to ARs
# over the years.
Yet another reason to relocate to America.
RBnDFW
Agreed, they seem to be saying that this is the best round that will
work on the AR15 receivers.
Bill Smith
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
#On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:00:21 +0000 (UTC), Louis Boyd
#<bo...@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote:
#
# > ...
#
#Good post and thanks.
#
#Being a California residence..Ive not paid a lot of attention to ARs
#over the years.
#
#Gunner
You can have an AR in CA. There are a number of ways, all legal. Do a
search "California compliant AR-15". I did and, when the barrel gets
here from Hart, it will be finished.
Bill Smith
Doug T
# "Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley" <cowar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:hhtabj$269$1...@news.albasani.net... # On Jan 3, 8:24 pm, "Jim"
# <j...@cox.net> wrote: # # Sounds an awfully lot like (and
# ballistically looks extremely similar # to) # # the 7.62x39 # # Not
# really - with 125gr @ 2,800fps, its quite a bit more powerful than #
# the 7.62x39, which runs about 2,250fps.
# If muzzle velocity is your only focus, that's true.
#
# Unfortunately, the cartridge sheds about 45% of its energy in the
# first 200 yards, probably a little bit above average hunting range,
# making it even less effective than the AK round. Remington is being
# more than a little creative in their advertisements by calling the
# cartridge comparable to the ..308.
That's just wrong. As the 30RAR and 7.62x39 have about the same bullet
weight and B.C. (the 30 actually is a touch better) the 30RAR doesn't
drop to the same velocity and energy as the 7.62 for about 200 yards.
So with the same B.C. the 30 at 200 yds is going to be equal to the 7.62
at the barrel and every yard thereafter.
#
# (As long as you don't count the 7.62x39 AK round, that's true.)
I don't see how you think the 7.62 is going to be any match.
Doug T
Jim
"Doug T" <KyD...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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# # (As long as you don't count the 7.62x39 AK round, that's true.)
#
# I don't see how you think the 7.62 is going to be any match.
#
# Doug T
Check Remington's own published data for energy levels, then compare them to
any ammo manufacturer's data (I used Federal's.)
Ballistics Coefficient 0.266 0.335
Energy@Muzzle 2141 2176
Energy@100 1658 1778
Energy@200 1264 1440
Energy@300 948 1153
For the 7.62x39,
Ballistics Coefficient 0.274 0.298
Energy@Muzzle 1509 1521
Energy@100 1153 1189
Energy@200 868 917
Energy@300 646 700
and the .308, using the lightest bullets...
Ballistics Coefficient 0.313 0.387
Energy@Muzzle 2649 2687
Energy@100 2135 2259
Energy@200 1703 1888
Energy@300 1342 1565
Use the more standard 165 to 180 grainers. you'd have a TRUE big game
cartridge.
So, I'm not saying the AK round is a match, just that the .30 Remington is a
lot more like the AK round than the .308, which is how Remington is
marketing the cartridge "big-game cartridge for the light weight AR-15
platform, big-game-dropping ballistics similar to the venerable 308 Win."
What I would REALLY have liked to see would have been a rimless .35
Remington for the AR. That would have been something.
Louis Boyd
# What I would REALLY have liked to see would have been a rimless .35
# Remington for the AR. That would have been something.
The 35 Remington IS a rimless cartridge with a 308 size case head:
http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd35remington.jpg
If you want an AR in 35 Remington you can buy it here:
http://www.ar-10-rifles.com/index.php
It would be an AR-10 or LR-308 action because the 35 Rem is too long to
work comfortably in an AR-15 magazine, but it could weigh under 7 lbs
and be under 40" long. It's just a barrel swap. The 35 Rem works well
with short barrels (16"-18").
Jim
"Louis Boyd" <bo...@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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# Jim wrote:
#
# # What I would REALLY have liked to see would have been a rimless .35
# # Remington for the AR. That would have been something.
#
# The 35 Remington IS a rimless cartridge with a 308 size case head:
I know that, should have used "the rimless" instead of "a rimless."
# If you want an AR in 35 Remington you can buy it here:
Great. Another expenditure. :-)
Tony W
#> What I would REALLY have liked to see would have been a rimless .35
#> Remington for the AR. That would have been something.
You should be able to blow out the shoulder on this round and load .357"
bullets in it. I know it would be a wildcat but many popular rounds
started that way...
Tony
Bluehawk99
" Check Remington's own published data for energy levels, then compare
them to any ammo manufacturer's data (I used Federal's.)
# Ballistics Coefficient 0.266 0.335
# Energy@Muzzle 2141 2176
#
# For the 7.62x39,
# Ballistics Coefficient 0.274 0.298
# Energy@Muzzle 1509 1521
#
# and the .308, using the lightest bullets...
# Ballistics Coefficient 0.313 0.387
# Energy@Muzzle 2649 2687
First, I don't see any velocities to compare this data to and
second...this is advertising hype...rarely does a manufacturer's
published data live up to it's expectations.
On the other hand, I have loaded and chronographed 7.62x39mm rounds
useing Hornady 123 gr soft points useing 28 grains of AA 1680 to an
average velocity of 2,544fps...the max load. (Average for surplus ammo
is around 2,400fps according to Speer.)
Muzzle energy was calculated at 1,768 foot-pounds in my loads.
Velocity x Velocity x Bullet Weight, divided by 450,240 = Energy (foot
pounds)
The "new" Remington round certainly looks and charts out to be so very
close to the 7.62x39mm I doubt it will be all that successful...just
my opinion and one who won't buy into that silliness!
cameron.f...@gmail.com
> ...
None the advantage goes to the 6.5 better bullets, better long range
performance. the 6.5 is as close to the Magic Bullet as you can get
they preform well at all range and they do longer ranges better than
any other caliber that is chamber able in a battle rifle.
Gunner Asch
<cameron.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
Indeed. Which is why I own a number of both original and customized
Swedish Mausers..all of which shoot rather well.
Gunner