Gun Cameras
Adam Smith
http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
Bill
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Jim
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
Sounds like Blumberg's brain in motion.
Offbreed
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
I wouldn't mind a small camera for both rifle and pistol for my own use,
that did not look like something out of a Dr Seuss book or from a Rube
Goldberg contest.
R.L. Horn
<lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
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# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
The photo accompanying the article is a hoot. Wanna bet that sucker's a
holster-grabber?
Louis Boyd
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
Good idea but it needs two cameras, one pointing back to show who's
holding the gun.
Rfr...@gmail.com
> ...
Might be good if the camera had good enough resolution to indicate
whether aimed fire or `spray and pray' was being used.
ProfessorGunz
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
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# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
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# Bill
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Then it won't be long before there's a new show on the truTV network.
Al Patrick
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
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# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
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# Bill
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Did you listen to the video? Sounds like a black woman says, "That's a racist statement
anyway right there when they could be doing other things for the kids in this community."
This is roughly 3/4 of the way into the video. Yeah, It's racist to record evidence! How
is the jury to believe the long lineup of lies if there's *real evidence*? :-)
pro...@ca.rr.com
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
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# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
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#
Hi Bill,
Pretty interesting. I can see that gizmo being very atractive to
large police forces such as NYC, LAPD and the like. It will probably
lower the municipality insurance somewhat.
OTOH, how useful do they think they will be? We've all watched TV and
movies. The camera techniques used to make good pictures are
antithetical to good police work and firearms use. All the police
will see is a blurred picture leading to a one or two second clip of
the perp getting shot and then back to blur.
(Umm, this is only 1 scenario. Other scenarios would play out
differently.)
It is a fair bet this unit will be no good if you double tap. After
the first shot, in a string of shots, I'd guess the rest will be
blurry at best.
Trumpet
Al Patrick
#
# It is a fair bet this unit will be no good if you double tap. After
# the first shot, in a string of shots, I'd guess the rest will be
# blurry at best.
#
#
# Trumpet
I wouldn't bet on this too much since so many cameras today have image stabilization built
in - some in the lens and some in the camera body. I can remember when you had to have a
gyroscope or tripod to get clear pictures! :-(
OTOH: Recoil. That guns going to rise a bit if he has any kind of lethal load in it. But
it'll come back down and should still provide lots of evidence. If sound is also recorded
it just might tell what words were exchanged before the actual shooting, along with the
position/stance and any actions of the perp .
Omelet
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"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
Adam Smith
weapon in his hand at the time of the shooting, but that's about it. The
camera doesn't record what really matters, that is, what happen prior to
the shooting. Did the officer yell a command that was ignored? What
actions did the perp perform before the shooting? What were the
circumstances, did the cop think he was being fatally threatened, or did
he shoot the guy because he didn't like his hair do?
The camera is another liberal feel-good scheme, like bullet encoding or
smart guns.
Bill
Kevin S.
> ...
I believe that she said "that's a waste of state money"
Kevin S
Omelet
Adam Smith <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# I see little value in the camera. It might prove that a perp had a
# weapon in his hand at the time of the shooting, but that's about it. The
# camera doesn't record what really matters, that is, what happen prior to
# the shooting. Did the officer yell a command that was ignored? What
# actions did the perp perform before the shooting? What were the
# circumstances, did the cop think he was being fatally threatened, or did
# he shoot the guy because he didn't like his hair do?
#
# The camera is another liberal feel-good scheme, like bullet encoding or
# smart guns.
#
# Bill
I disagree. There are a number of law enforcement officers that like
this idea.
To date, dash cams and back seat cams in police cars have HELPED more
convictions than they have hurt.
Taser has a tasercam setup too for their weapons.
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"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
Louis Boyd
# I see little value in the camera. It might prove that a perp had a
# weapon in his hand at the time of the shooting, but that's about it. The
# camera doesn't record what really matters, that is, what happen prior to
# the shooting. Did the officer yell a command that was ignored? What
# actions did the perp perform before the shooting? What were the
# circumstances, did the cop think he was being fatally threatened, or did
# he shoot the guy because he didn't like his hair do?
#
# The camera is another liberal feel-good scheme, like bullet encoding or
# smart guns.
With todays technology an hour of video recording and a day of audio
can be held on a chip weighing under a gram, the whole camera about
about an ounce. If it's going to be done at all the camera should be
recording audio all of the time it's being carried and video whenever
it's out of the holster. It should not be able to be shut off in the
field and only read out by an independent forensics lab. It would
perform a function similar to the black box recorders which monitor all
passenger aircraft, that is, to help reconstruct what happened when
incidents occur.
Police officers aren't gods. They should be well trained and well paid
employees of the general populace. They should not be expected to take
unnecessary risks to their own safety, but they should be expected to
obey laws and make reasonable judgments. Most do. Those who don't
shouldn't have the job. Those who use their badge to intentionally
commit criminal acts should be punished like any other criminal.
I don't think the idea of the camera is a bad thing if it's used properly.
Gunny_2008
"Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g0c17o$5oe$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
#
# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
#
#
Another snag-a-matic attachment to something that is meant to save your
life! On the other hand, if you're a cop, you just might want some
corroborating evidence that the shooting was justified. So, why not leave
the gun unencumbered and just use a helmetcam? They can be made very light
weight and wouldn't interfere with his draw. A helmet cam would see what he
sees, including his own gun, depending on the lens. On the other hand,
there is a significant cost to equipping all cops in a city with this. How
much benefit would there be? Many cops go their entire career with no
shooting. But, like Tevia in "Fiddler on the Roof said, "on the other
hand", it doesn't have to be a shooting to be good evidence. Contact with
others, such as DUIs and Domestics, would also be recorded and available to
the prosecutor (and defense). It would put a stronger responsibility on the
cops to behave themselves too. Internal Affairs would have access to the
recording also. I support the cops. I even married a lady cop. But I
admit some bad apples cross the line and need to be corrected. Dashboard
cams have been very useful, but the cop doesn't have to carry/wear it. I
just hate to load a cop down with unnecessary gear that gets in his way. I
still need to be convinced on this issue.
George
a video camera or a recoding device
a. Being snall enough to not be inconvenient
b. Being able to handle a couple of hundred .40 caliber loads.
c. suviving oil and cleaning solvents.
Now that I've said that I seem to recall hearing that Tasers have some form
of recorder built into them. Google produced this:
http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERCAM.aspx .
While I don't see any video offered the site claims they offer a high
definition picture. So some parts of this idea might be posssible.
George in Las Vegas
John Husvar
Jim <zivend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# On May 13, 5:23 am, Adam Smith <lastameri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# # N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
#
# Sounds like Blumberg's brain in motion.
#
#
This is your brain.
This is your brain on a power trip.
Any questions?
Tiger
# N.Y. is considering putting cameras on cop guns to record shootings:
#
# http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
#
#
# Bill
#
Another silly idea from a town filled with silly people.
Bluehawk99
than two seconds later, a red laser and bright light shine at whatever
is in the gun barrel's path while a mini-camera records it all. "
In the 2 seconds it takes for the camera to come into use the gun
fight could be over with!
I'd be curious to see how the camera handles muzzle flash too!
They might be better served with one of the microcameras available
pinned to their uniform pocket or collar on their shirts!
I think it's an innovative idea but positioned on the wrong piece of
equipment!
Omelet
John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# This is your brain.
# This is your brain on a power trip.
# Any questions?
You mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
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"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
Omelet
Bluehawk99 <Blueh...@aol.com> wrote:
# "In a flash, a police officer draws a handgun from its holster. Less
# than two seconds later, a red laser and bright light shine at whatever
# is in the gun barrel's path while a mini-camera records it all. "
#
# In the 2 seconds it takes for the camera to come into use the gun
# fight could be over with!
# I'd be curious to see how the camera handles muzzle flash too!
# They might be better served with one of the microcameras available
# pinned to their uniform pocket or collar on their shirts!
# I think it's an innovative idea but positioned on the wrong piece of
# equipment!
Well, there is always this:
Be sure to read the comments... ;-)
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Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
John Husvar
Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
# In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
# # This is your brain.
# # This is your brain on a power trip.
# # Any questions?
#
# You mean like this?
#
# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
A master of the spoonerism, isn't he?
It isn't that it's any one politician, it's that they all consider
everything a no brainer. There's a reason for that. It's related to the
process of getting elected.
petey
# In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
# # This is your brain.
# # This is your brain on a power trip.
# # Any questions?
#
# You mean like this?
#
# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
Heh, I'd like to see some of the people leaving immature, nasty comments
over there give a perfect public speaking presentation.
It's easy to criticize someones speaking gaffes sitting in a nice, comfy
computer chair.
Like most liberals don't say some pretty stupid stuff themselves being
serious.
pro...@ca.rr.com
# prob...@ca.rr.com wrote:
#
# #
# # It is a fair bet this unit will be no good if you double tap. After
# # the first shot, in a string of shots, I'd guess the rest will be
# # blurry at best.
# #
# #
# # Trumpet
#
# I wouldn't bet on this too much since so many cameras today have image stabilization built
# in - some in the lens and some in the camera body. I can remember when you had to have a
# gyroscope or tripod to get clear pictures! :-(
#
# OTOH: Recoil. That guns going to rise a bit if he has any kind of lethal load in it. But
# it'll come back down and should still provide lots of evidence. If sound is also recorded
# it just might tell what words were exchanged before the actual shooting, along with the
# position/stance and any actions of the perp .
Hi Al,
I went Legend Technology's website. http://pistolcam.com/products.asp
They say their default output is VGA, (640x480) in Mpeg 4 file
format. Can run 1 hr @30 fps, then goes into a paging mode and shoots
an unknown number of still pictures until the battery dies. 30 fps is
the only video speed available
We all know the video shot 640x480 @ 30 fps is not a good picture.
Grainy, little color staturation and pixelation are all common
problems with this resolution. Any fast motion leads to a smeared
image unit the camera catches up with its self.
I don't know if it is possible to attain higher resolution with this
unit.
Image stablilization programs are pretty good today. But they can't
make a purse out of a sows ear. Image stabilization is great to a
point. But as soon as your motion exceeds a 1/4 of the viewfinder
frame, most of the stabilization programs tend to fail.
I'd really want to put one their units thru its paces before I'd trust
it.
Zomby...@cox.net
<jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#In article <g0knv8$pdh$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
#
## In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
## John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
##
## # This is your brain.
## # This is your brain on a power trip.
## # Any questions?
##
## You mean like this?
##
## http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
#
#A master of the spoonerism, isn't he?
#
#It isn't that it's any one politician, it's that they all consider
#everything a no brainer. There's a reason for that. It's related to the
#process of getting elected.
#
The reason they consider things no-brainers is they are more then
aware their voters don't have one.
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R.L. Horn
<pro...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
# They say their default output is VGA, (640x480) in Mpeg 4 file
# format.
# We all know the video shot 640x480 @ 30 fps is not a good picture.
# Grainy, little color staturation and pixelation are all common
# problems with this resolution.
640x480's actually not too bad (on par with SVHS). Even NTSC DVD is only
720x480. The artifacts you describe are usually the result of crap imagers
and low bitrates (with DCT coders, that is).
The biggest technical problem as I see it is that even good CCD imagers
don't do very well in low-light situations (they go grainy as heck, not
unlike high-speed film). You can use an IR illuminator, but resolution
suffers.
# I'd really want to put one their units thru its paces before I'd trust it.
I wouldn't even consider it if it uses a CMOS imager, particularly given the
price.
Omelet
wrote:
# On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:15:01 +0000 (UTC), John Husvar
# <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
#
# #In article <g0knv8$pdh$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# # Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
# #
# ## In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# ## John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# ##
# ## # This is your brain.
# ## # This is your brain on a power trip.
# ## # Any questions?
# ##
# ## You mean like this?
# ##
# ## http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
# #
# #A master of the spoonerism, isn't he?
# #
# #It isn't that it's any one politician, it's that they all consider
# #everything a no brainer. There's a reason for that. It's related to the
# #process of getting elected.
# #
# The reason they consider things no-brainers is they are more then
# aware their voters don't have one.
Baa-aa-aa-aa!!!
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Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
Omelet
John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# In article <g0knv8$pdh$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote:
#
# # In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# # John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# #
# # # This is your brain.
# # # This is your brain on a power trip.
# # # Any questions?
# #
# # You mean like this?
# #
# # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
#
# A master of the spoonerism, isn't he?
#
# It isn't that it's any one politician, it's that they all consider
# everything a no brainer. There's a reason for that. It's related to the
# process of getting elected.
Scary, isn't it? <g>
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Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
Omelet
petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
# Omelet wrote:
#
# # In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# # John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# #
# # # This is your brain.
# # # This is your brain on a power trip.
# # # Any questions?
# #
# # You mean like this?
# #
# Heh, I'd like to see some of the people leaving immature, nasty comments
# over there give a perfect public speaking presentation.
#
# It's easy to criticize someones speaking gaffes sitting in a nice, comfy
# computer chair.
#
# Like most liberals don't say some pretty stupid stuff themselves being
# serious.
I'm a Libertarian.
And Shrub is a dufus.
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Peace! Om
"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein
petey
# In article <g0menn$bao$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
#
# # Omelet wrote:
# #
# # # In article <g0jr75$iqv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
# # # John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
# # #
# # # # This is your brain.
# # # # This is your brain on a power trip.
# # # # Any questions?
# # #
# # # You mean like this?
# # #
# # # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26ZmCHY4
# #
# # Heh, I'd like to see some of the people leaving immature, nasty comments
# # over there give a perfect public speaking presentation.
# #
# # It's easy to criticize someones speaking gaffes sitting in a nice, comfy
# # computer chair.
# #
# # Like most liberals don't say some pretty stupid stuff themselves being
# # serious.
#
# I'm a Libertarian.
#
# And Shrub is a dufus.
You do mean "doofus," right?
It's your call on Bush.
Personally, I can't wait when Obama (or Hillary) drops the ball and the
masses have to eat crow there.