info wanted: Canadian Industries Limited 972-C rifle
Hawker
I posted about a while back. The only thing on that rifle made by P-H
appears to be the clip!
The barrel is stamped "Canadian Industries Limited, Montreal, Canada",
and "C-I-L 972-C". It's chambered in .308 win. Both the barrel and
the receiver have a small crown emblem stamped on them with the
letters "BNP" below it. The clip is stamped "Parker-Hale England CAL
308 & 243".
The stock is checkered under the forend and on the grip. It has a
Monte Carlo stock with a raised cheek piece, and a recoil pad. I
think it uses a mauser style action, but I'm not familiar enough with
actions to be sure.
Any information on this specific rifle or on C.I.L. rifles in general
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brent Mooney sportridersATsasktelDOTnet
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Albert J Scott
CIl is a division of Imperial Chemicals Limited a UK chemical company the
rifle in question was built by PH for them. They do not make rifles only
ammo..
Hawker wrote:
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Hawker
<ajs...@cygnusgroup.com> wrote:
#Hawker,
#CIl is a division of Imperial Chemicals Limited a UK chemical company the
#rifle in question was built by PH for them. They do not make rifles only
#ammo..
Interesting. I did some web searches for CIL and ICI and found the
connection between the two, but found no mention of firearm
production. Do you have any idea when Parker-Hale produced these guns
for them? I'd like to have some clue as to how old this thing is
before I make an offer to buy it. The current owner bought it used
and doesn't know the age. Can I assume that the quality of this CIL
rifle will be the same as that of a Parker-Hale?
I took it out and put a dozen or so rounds through it. At 100 yards,
this rifle was placing three rounds into a 6" circle, consistently a
bit high and to the right of the bullseye. This was with me
supporting my elbows on the hood of a truck, with the scope on 9x
power. I've done *lots* of shooting with .22's, but have probably
only taken 50 shots with high powered rifles, and only a few of those
were with scoped guns. I don't know if this grouping was due to the
gun's design, or my own inaccuracy, or a dirty barrel. Even so, I
figure it's accurate enough to shoot whitetail with.
Thanks for the reply,
Brent Mooney sportridersATsasktelDOTnet
RobinderBhatty
Well, here's the thing. CIL's defense production - which included firearms -
was performed by their defense subsidiary, Defence Industries Limited. During
the war they ran a big part of Canada's war industry and they stayed in the
business quite a while, although I don't think they do any more, except for
explosives.
I don't know if their military production was stamped CIL or DIL. Probably the
former.
If this thing is a scoped bolt action .308, what you MIGHT have is a sniper
rifle. In which case it's extremely rare, in fact maybe illegal. The Canadian
military isn't allowed to sell retired firearms to civilians; they're supposed
to be destroyed or, in some cases, given to museums. Theoretically police/law
enforcement units can acquire them as well, as can allied military/law
enforcement.
Try this. Look at the scope. What type is it? Is it a Pecar or a Kahles? Is
the reticle a wire and post?
Also, look at the magazine. Is it an internal 5 round? or a detachable box
magazine?
It's also entirely possible this is just some sort o f sporter rifle. Very
difficult to say without seeing a picture. The "BNP" and the crown symbol
stamped on it mean that it was a service rifle at some point in its life,
though.
Robin Bhatty
Albert J Scott
Barbara gunworks in Spain, the stocks were from the lowest bidder and they
produced their own barrels. The low end rifle the Midland line was where the
CIL rifles came from. As for age best guess would be 30+ years ago, Don't
worry the quality is ok for a shooter but you should be getting a better
grouping then 6" at 100 yds. I would check the stock bedding or your scope and
mounts.
Hawker wrote:
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Albert J Scott
the barrel and or receiver has been proof fired and passed. PH was in Birmingham.
RobinderBhatty wrote:
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PC
sporting/target rifles made by other companies for sale in Canada. Many of
the target rifles were made for sale to the DCRA in the 60s and later.
One of the target types sold was a Savage 110 variant just to name one.
Any CF rifle will be military property marked.
The Canadian C3 A1 sniper rifle is the Parker Hale M-82 (with
modifications), procured from Parker Hale under contract. They also sold
this rifle commercially world wide.
There are hundreds of thousands of ex Canadian military No4Mk1* in civilian
hands in Canada.
Hawker
<ajs...@cygnusgroup.com> wrote:
#Well to answer the quality question, PH got their receivers from the Santa
#Barbara gunworks in Spain, the stocks were from the lowest bidder and they
#produced their own barrels. The low end rifle the Midland line was where the
#CIL rifles came from. As for age best guess would be 30+ years ago, Don't
#worry the quality is ok for a shooter but you should be getting a better
#grouping then 6" at 100 yds. I would check the stock bedding or your scope and
#mounts.
I decided against buying this rifle. It really wasn't what I was
after - too long in the stock for me, and the accuracy issues
concerned me as well. The other day in a local gunshop I found a
Parker-Hale .308 that was absolutely *identical* to the CIL that we've
been discussing. The only difference was the manufacturer's markings.
Even the crown emblem and BNP marking were the same. The shopkeeper
also informed me that P-H parts were becoming scarce since they went
out of business.
In the same shop, I found a Remington M788 .308 carbine in good
condition. This was much more like what I was after, so I bought it.
They knocked a half inch off the stock, mounted a scope, and now I'm
in business for whitetail. I can't wait to take it out this weekend.
Thanks,
Brent Mooney sportridersATsasktelDOTnet
madelin...@gmail.com
I have the same model 972-c number p66219 and I cannot find out when it was made,
I got it used in 1968 , great rifle, but would like to know it's age.