Re: So Much For CC Permits

[Gunner Asch]

Mapes didnt use very good judgement. He should be carrying concealed for
the next year or so when going to a theater. While it was legal, and he
will walk free and clear..it wasnt very good judgment to carry open
particularly under the circumstances.

Shrug

Gunner


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[Mike Fontenot]

On 07/31/2012 06:54 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

# Mapes didnt use very good judgement. He should be carrying concealed for
# the next year or so when going to a theater. While it was legal, and he
# will walk free and clear..it wasnt very good judgment to carry open
# particularly under the circumstances.
#

I couldn't find the original posting that you were responding to (either
directly on this newsgroup, or on google groups).

The reports I've seen on Fox (as of yesterday and last night) weren't
clear about whether this was a "failure to properly conceal", or
"illegal open carry". Today, I saw a statement from Mapes in which he
also didn't ever use the phrase "open carry", but he did say that he
perhaps should have left his T-shirt untucked, although he said that
with an untucked shirt, his gun would have still been fairly obvious,
because it is so large. It wasn't clear whether his holster was OWB or
tuckable IWB, though. The police said that his gun was "plainly
visible", and they seemed to imply that he was open-carrying. I suspect
the charges will probably be dropped.

--
Mike Fontenot

[zxcvbob]

FWIW, Colorado is an open carry state -- but I'm not sure the city of
Denver follows the law. Some big cities get a burr under their saddle
about state preemption.

-Bob

[Sheldon]

"zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:jv9e1b$srl$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# FWIW, Colorado is an open carry state -- but I'm not sure the city of
# Denver follows the law. Some big cities get a burr under their saddle
# about state preemption.
#
# -Bob
#
The entire state of CO follows state laws for concealed and open carry, but
the laws in Denver are a little tighter. What police all over the state do
not like are those who carry in such a way that it's debatable as to whether
you are carrying open or concealed. For example, a jacket that is flapping
in the wind.

BTW, I'd like to see the original post as well as I may not know what I'm
talking about. :-)

[David Griffith]

Sheldon <she...@sopris.net> wrote:

# "zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
# news:jv9e1b$srl$1...@news.albasani.net...
# #

# # FWIW, Colorado is an open carry state -- but I'm not sure the city of

# # Denver follows the law. Some big cities get a burr under their saddle
# # about state preemption.
# #
# # -Bob
# #

# The entire state of CO follows state laws for concealed and open carry, but

# the laws in Denver are a little tighter. What police all over the state do
# not like are those who carry in such a way that it's debatable as to whether
# you are carrying open or concealed. For example, a jacket that is flapping
# in the wind.

The sensible solution to this would be to legalise open carry or at
least make it such people with permits can carry open or not. That way
it doesn't matter if a jacket is flapping.

--
David Griffith
davidmy...@acm.org <--- Put my last name where it belongs

[WaIIy]

On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:17:28 +0000 (UTC), davidmy...@acm.org (David
Griffith) wrote:

#Sheldon <she...@sopris.net> wrote:
#
## "zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
## news:jv9e1b$srl$1...@news.albasani.net...
## #
## # FWIW, Colorado is an open carry state -- but I'm not sure the city of
## # Denver follows the law. Some big cities get a burr under their saddle
## # about state preemption.
## #
## # -Bob
## #
## The entire state of CO follows state laws for concealed and open carry, but
## the laws in Denver are a little tighter. What police all over the state do
## not like are those who carry in such a way that it's debatable as to whether
## you are carrying open or concealed. For example, a jacket that is flapping
## in the wind.
#
#The sensible solution to this would be to legalise open carry or at
#least make it such people with permits can carry open or not. That way
#it doesn't matter if a jacket is flapping.


That's always a bit vague. Here in Ohio, there is no law against open
carry, although few do it. It's just too much of a hassle and so
unusual that you'd likely get a few 911 calls against you.

If you have a CCW and lift your shirt up, it could be a charge of
"brandishing".

Last fall, a law was passed to specifically spell out a local
municipality can not enforce a law that would be more restrictive than
state law on CCW.

As of now, that seems to be working.

[Stanley Schaefer]

On Jul 31, 6:54=A0am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
# Mapes didnt use very good judgement. He should be carrying concealed for
# the next year or so when going to a theater. =A0While it was legal, and h=

e
# will walk free and clear..it wasnt very good judgment to carry open
# particularly under the circumstances.

A follow-up:
http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/282003/346/No-charges-for-man-who-t=
ook-gun-in-theater?odyssey=3Dobinsite

City charges dropped, county is still faffing about with possible
state charges. Bet he doesn't get his gun back, no matter what
happens.

Stan

[SaPeIsMa]

# City charges dropped, county is still faffing about with possible
# state charges. Bet he doesn't get his gun back, no matter what
# happens.
#

What makes you think that they can keep his gun and not give it back ??

[Gunner]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC), "SaPeIsMa"
<Sape...@gmail.com> wrote:

#
## City charges dropped, county is still faffing about with possible
## state charges. Bet he doesn't get his gun back, no matter what
## happens.
##
#
#What makes you think that they can keep his gun and not give it back ??

Such is very very common. An aqquaintence lost $60,000 in guns
(serious collector of high dollar arms) confiscated from him by his
ex wife making spurious claims. This was proven beyond any shadow of a
doubt in court, and her signed confession.

He got a release from the FBI/California DOJ, even the country head
prosecuter and delivered all of it to the sheriffs department.

The Sheriffs Department still wont release the arms..some 3 yrs after
the fact.

In fact...its been very quietly noted by deputies close to the
evidence locker..that most of the high dollar guns are no longer in
the lockup. Disappeared into the ozone.

[Wayne]

#Such is very very common. An aqquaintence lost $60,000 in guns
#(serious collector of high dollar arms) confiscated from him by his
#ex wife making spurious claims. This was proven beyond any shadow of a
#doubt in court, and her signed confession.

There are different policies in various state/local jurisdictions that can
tie up guns.

On some gun group I saw an account of a guy whose guns were confiscated (for
safe keeping) by the State of California when he was involved in a traffic
accident requiring hospitalization.
Don't know how that turned out, but he was having trouble getting them back.

But various jurisdictions in CA automatically confiscate guns that become
the attention of law enforcement. To avoid a decision in the field of
confiscate/release, guns are sent back to the station for disposition.
That's where they become mired down in paperwork that must be attended
before releasing back to the owner.

My CHP buddy won't carry certain guns on duty, because they have sentimental
value to him. If they were to be discharged while on duty, they would be
confiscated as evidence with an uncertain future. Probably works the same
for "civillians".

[Stanley Schaefer]

On Aug 12, 3:55=A0pm, "SaPeIsMa" <SapeI...@gmail.com> wrote:
# # City charges dropped, county is still faffing about with possible
# # state charges. =A0Bet he doesn't get his gun back, no matter what

# # happens.
# #
#

# What makes you think that they can keep his gun and not give it back ??
#

It was a local rule in Denver, NOBODY got their gun(s) back once they
were in the property room. Every so often they'd slag a bunch down in
the steel mill down south. Don't know how it is now, but I read a
guy's article in the Rifleman, I think it was in the '70s, where he
actually had to sue the city to get his Chief's Special back that had
been stolen. He finally got it back after thousands were spent.
Usually the city just settled for some kind of payout to the
troublemakers that wanted their guns back, those guns were never seen
again. THAT policy was written up in the Rocky Mountain News not long
after I arrived in town. I'm betting that the suburbs follow the same
policy. The RMN article said it was "to keep the guns off the
street". Guess that trumps unconstitutional seizure of property.

Stan

[R. LaCasse]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:04:37 +0000 (UTC), Gunner <Gunne...@giganews.com>
wrote:

#
#He got a release from the FBI/California DOJ, even the country head
#prosecuter and delivered all of it to the sheriffs department.
#
That is a lot of paperwork.....but it shows where your best
interests are,....namely guns!

#The Sheriffs Department still wont release the arms..some 3 yrs after
#the fact.
#
That drag is common here Canada too, usually some 10 years
sometimes, so they can pop-up quite later to see what safe storage law they
can pin on you......
The police usually override the given laws since they work for the
courts and only the courts,....not you, the taxpayer.

#In fact...its been very quietly noted by deputies close to the
#evidence locker..that most of the high dollar guns are no longer in
#the lockup. Disappeared into the ozone.
#
Probably a fast furious bunch or sold on consignment somewhere else.
Usually at that point it takes more years to find who, what, and where is
the mistake was.

Bob