Scope Question. Bausch and Lomb Vs. Leupold Vs. Simmons Aetec
AA
I have the option of buying a Scope in the $200 range for a new Hunting =
rifle. The dealer wants to sell me a Simmons Aetec, I know Leupold is =
Great, and I have heard Good things about Bausch and Lomb. My question =
is, will there be much difference between better Simmons and B & L vs. =
the low end Leupold? Someone on this NG once said that a B&L was just =
as good for less money, and I would like to know if that is true.
BTW, the Gun is a Savage hvy bbl .308 mdl 12 BVSS that I am looking at. =
I am sure all of these scopes will work well, but I would like to =
maximize the 'deal' with the best scope for the amount I am spending.
Andrew
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John Abatte
Simmons, but I don't have first-hand experience with them. Your best
bet would be a Burris. I just ordered a 3-9x 38mm from Natchez Shooters
Supply for about $184, matte finish. They have about the lowest prices
I could find on scopes, and I've always had good service from them. Ask
about specials when you call. They also have factory new blemished
Burris scopes (optically OK, just cosmetic blemishes) for about $6
cheaper than non-blem, and factory refurbished units if you want to save
a bit more.
AA wrote:
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Jeremy Zorns
# rifle. The dealer wants to sell me a Simmons Aetec, I know Leupold is =
# Great, and I have heard Good things about Bausch and Lomb. My question =
# is, will there be much difference between better Simmons and B & L vs. =
# the low end Leupold? Someone on this NG once said that a B&L was just =
# as good for less money, and I would like to know if that is true.
My only first-hand experience is with Leupold and Simmons. My next scope
will definitely be a B&L. I bought a Simmons (a cheap one, admittedly) and it
was the crappiest excuse for a scope ever. After that I was determined never
to make that mistake again and bought a Leupold 3-9X40 Vari-X II. It was
$225. If you go by features alone, B&L, Nikon, and Burris all have it beat
for the money. But I've heard incredible stories about Leupold's customer
service and warranty service. Namely, that the scope is gaurunteed forever,
regardless of whether you're the original owner, or if you have the receipt or
not. I thought that would be worth a few extra bones. Since then, I've been
educated that B&L has multicoated optics, (as opposed to single, or "fully
coated" optics) a one piece tube, and brass/steel innards vs. plastic. Next
time, I'll try the comparable B&L for $25 less and with more features and
we'll see what happens.
-Jeremy Z
Clark Magnuson
are good too.
martin lytz
L. For my money I will stick with Leupold for the most part or Zeiss or U.S.
Optics Technologies. I have found the Leupold to be brighter than the B&L.
The B&L is the 6x24 and the Leupold is the 6.5x20. The Leupold has side focus
and the B&L does not.
AA wrote:
# I have the option of buying a Scope in the $200 range for a new Hunting =
# rifle. The dealer wants to sell me a Simmons Aetec, I know Leupold is =
# Great, and I have heard Good things about Bausch and Lomb. My question =
# is, will there be much difference between better Simmons and B & L vs. =
# the low end Leupold? Someone on this NG once said that a B&L was just =
# as good for less money, and I would like to know if that is true.
#
# BTW, the Gun is a Savage hvy bbl .308 mdl 12 BVSS that I am looking at. =
# I am sure all of these scopes will work well, but I would like to =
# maximize the 'deal' with the best scope for the amount I am spending.
#
# Andrew
#
Raymond Wong
martin lytz <ml...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#I own all three brands. Personally, I would never buy another Simmons or B &
#L. For my money I will stick with Leupold for the most part or Zeiss or U.S.
#Optics Technologies. I have found the Leupold to be brighter than the B&L.
#The B&L is the 6x24 and the Leupold is the 6.5x20. The Leupold has side focus
#and the B&L does not.
Probably an obvious question, but which B&L line? B&L makes several lines of
scopes with varying quality of optics, ranging from the cheapo Bushnell
( hey, waddaya want for 30 bucks?) to the best Elite line. Are you comparing
the B&L Elite to the Leupold (I still think the Leupold wins clearly, but
not by nearly as great a margin...)?
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Rich Cizik
# # rifle. The dealer wants to sell me a Simmons Aetec, I know Leupold is =
# # Great, and I have heard Good things about Bausch and Lomb. My question =
# # is, will there be much difference between better Simmons and B & L vs. =
# # the low end Leupold? Someone on this NG once said that a B&L was just =
# # as good for less money, and I would like to know if that is true.
To the original poster,
If you are going to shoot anything stronger than a .22 cal Magnum, or Hornet
than for you money I would definitely go for the B&L. I had a Simmons 3-9
magnification I think it was a 35 mm lens, any ways after about 200 rounds of
7mmx57 (7 mm Mauser) Mil Surplus and approx. 40 rnds Winchester SP, nothing high
power all std loads, the cross hairs started to rotate and the groups went all
over, it went from a 1-1.5" group at 60 yards to a 5" group. So I bought a B&L
Elite 4200, 1.5x-6x36mm. The price is on the high end of what your talking about
but from what I have heard about the Elite series this will be the scope to last
you a lifetime, especially with it's lifetime warranty. If you can not afford the
B&L than I think B&L twin/parent company Bushnell offers the same thing under a
different name and warranty. As far as I am concerned this is the best scope out
there until you get into the $380 to $450 area. Only thing I would have done
differently if the product was available would be to get a 40-48 mm version of the
same scope.
Good luck in finding the one you want,
Richard Cizik Jr.
richard....@snet.net
Gale McMillan
> ...
When buying a scope remember that the lens on the best to the cheapest
cost nearly the same. The only place that a manufacturer can cut cost to
sell cheaper is in the metal work and in quality of assembly. The B&L
scopes are made by Light Optical at Suwa Japan. Light is the biggest and
best manufacturer in the Orient. when you consider that there is
shipping and 25% duty on rifle scopes you can understand the difference
in import scopes and American made. When you deduct these charges from
the import you get a picture of what it is really worth. I will say
without hesitation that American made scopes are the best buy in optics.
And in American scopes Leupold is the best.
Robert Silvers
John Abatte <jab...@wt.net> wrote in message
news:37FB20DC...@wt.net...
# Bausch & Lomb are supposed to be very good quality, much better than
# Simmons, but I don't have first-hand experience with them. Your best
# bet would be a Burris. I just ordered a 3-9x 38mm from Natchez Shooters
# Supply for about $184, matte finish. They have about the lowest prices
# I could find on scopes, and I've always had good service from them. Ask
# about specials when you call. They also have factory new blemished
Natchez prices are low, but they have a "handling" charge in the shipping.
Four Seasons (http://www.fourseasonsguns.com/fsg_optics.html) charges a flat
$6 to ship UPS and the scope prices are only $2 more on average than
Natchez.
# Burris scopes (optically OK, just cosmetic blemishes) for about $6
# cheaper than non-blem, and factory refurbished units if you want to save
# a bit more.
Only $6 off for a scratch or dent!?
JOHN GARAND
WROTE:
#AA wrote:
# > ...
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#the import you get a picture of what it is really worth. I will say
#without hesitation that American made scopes are the best buy in optics.
#And in American scopes Leupold is the best.
Is that an opinion that Leupold scopes are better than the new
American made Zeiss scopes? Or were the American made Zeiss scopes
left out of the statement due to the foreign "brand"? Not being
smart, just would like someone who has qualifications and knowledge of
both to definitely state whether Leupold is better than the "new"
Zeiss scopes
mer...@gmail.com
Bausch and Lomb (B&L) which my aunt worked at the Rochester, NY plant produced
the Balfour and Balvar scopes in the Rochester plant. Most of these came with
rilfe mounted mounts that contained the elevation and windage adjustments and
not on the scope. B&L maintained parralax adjustment was not needed on scopes
under 10x so none of their scopes in this range with have adjustable parallax
objectives until the 4x-12 model. In 1971 B&L started to move away from the
scope business and more towards medical optics. They merged with Bushnell with
the B&L 3000 and 4000 Elite scopes made in Japan and sold under the B&L name.
Somewhere in late 80s B&L did not renew their license and the scopes went under
Bushnell completely and for awhile their Elite series were produced in Japan at
the same plant. B&L scopes cost ~200 dollars in the 60s which was a full paycheck
for most people. The Balvar 2-8 which I had was exceptional you could see at night
with the 2x setting. All scopes except the 6x-24 and 4x-16 had 1/4 clicks which
had 1/8 clicks. All steel construction and waterproof. I still have a 4x-12, 4x-16
and a 6x -24 mounted on a 243 Winchester,338 Winchester and 300 Winchester and they
have held up wonderfully. Bushnell does the warranty and repair work for B&L. The
optics are great and are equivalent to top end Leupold and Nikon. Hope this helps.