SpringField 45 ACP jamming
R Hoeft
1911a1-v12 .45acp which jams about half the time while ejecting the
spent cartridge. I have tried several brands of ammo, but still have the
same jamming ( only about 200 rnds through it at this time).
Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
jamming.
Thanks in advance.
Rich
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Bobby Vincent
R Hoeft <hoe...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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# I recently went from a ruger 9mm which never jammed to a springfield
# 1911a1-v12 .45acp which jams about half the time while ejecting the
# spent cartridge. I have tried several brands of ammo, but still have the
# same jamming ( only about 200 rnds through it at this time).
#
# Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
# jamming.
#
Well that's about what you can expect from a stock 1911 jam-o-matic. Take it
back to where you bought it, maybe they can fix the problem, maybe they
won't, maybe it'll cost a couple hundred to get it working correctly. Have
you tried the ball ammo, or are you using hollow points? Some 1911's are not
reliable with HP rounds unless modified to do so. Have you tried a different
magazine? If the gun was new, did you clean & lube the gun before firing?
Welcome to the 1911 world (of problems). Maybe you just got a lemon.
PROCOBOB
installing a new recoil spring. Do not go by Wolffes recommendation, they rec a
reduced power spring. Spfld sent me new springs and I have had zero jams since
then.
Good Luck,
Bob Sears
Alex Clayton
jamming? Is the new round hung up half way in or is the old round caught
in the slide ect.? Have you tried a different mag? If the one you are
using has bent feed lips it can cause trouble. Feel free to e-mail me.
If you cant find the cause take it to a pro or send it back to the
factory if it is new. It is a real downer to get a new gun and have it
hang up but you have a good pistol once it gets the bugs out you should
enjoy it.
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hoe...@execpc.com (R Hoeft) SpringField 45 ACP jamming
anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the jamming.
Thanks in advance.
Rich
Mark Yaworski
#I recently went from a ruger 9mm which never jammed to a springfield
#1911a1-v12 .45acp which jams about half the time while ejecting the
#spent cartridge. I have tried several brands of ammo, but still have the
#same jamming ( only about 200 rnds through it at this time).
#
#Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
#jamming.
It could be any of a thousand things that are hard to evaluate without
seeing the gun.
1 - too hard of a recoil spring.
2- extractor needs to be adjusted.
3- ejector needs to be tuned.
4 - magazine.
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Jerry Morris
#I recently went from a ruger 9mm which never jammed to a springfield
#1911a1-v12 .45acp which jams about half the time while ejecting the
#spent cartridge. I have tried several brands of ammo, but still have the
#same jamming ( only about 200 rnds through it at this time).
#
#Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
#jamming.
#
What loads are you shooting? Have you tried different magazines? If
you have a smith, have it looked at. Not a common problem with
Springfields in general.
You need to be more specific as to how the jams are happening. Are
they stovepipes. Is the ejection complete? If these are reloads, is
the over-all length correct, tried a slight taper crimp to ease the
tendency to hook on the case mouth?
Try replacing the follower and magazine spring. Use ShootingStar, or
Pachmayer followers. Get the extra strength magazine spring from
Wolfs, via Midway, or Brownells..
If it turns out to be a mechanical fault in the pistol, I am certain
Springfield will correct the problem for you. 200 rounds isn't even a
break-in period, but 50% failures is not reasonable.
Jerry Morris
"I will give up my guns when politicians
are honest,,,,,, maybe.
David Steuber
-> Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
-> jamming.
Well, both my Colt .45 pistols required some cleaning before firing
jam free. Pay particular attention to the slide rails. Also, don't
over lubricate. That attracts dirt. I also did a fair amount of
manually racking the slide to help run them in.
There is always the odd chance that the extractor or ejector have a
problem, but all accounts are that Springfield makes a good product.
#From what I hear, they are better than Colt these days.
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I purchased the Springfield Ultra Compact about 6 months ago, (my
second one). Both have shot great. I've ran close to 2000 rounds
through the new one since and have had minimal jamming problems.
The only load that I've found that jams consistently is a 185 grain
Remington HP reload. While it jams with the Remington reloads it feeds
185 grain PMC Starfires just fine, (flying ashtrays).
My Springfield is reliable enough for me to use it as a primary
defensive weapon in the house.
I would suggest talking to Springfield to see what they have to say.
Hope this helps.
Dave
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Larry L. Taylor
# I recently went from a ruger 9mm which never jammed to a springfield
# 1911a1-v12 .45acp which jams about half the time while ejecting the
# spent cartridge. I have tried several brands of ammo, but still have the
# same jamming ( only about 200 rnds through it at this time).
#
# Does anyone have comments about this gun and possible causes of the
# jamming.
#
Not having stated the nature of the jamming, it will be hard to suggest
just one thing that might be casuing the porblem.
If it's a failure to extract from the chamber, it may be a case where
polishing the inside of the chamber might help.
Other malfunctions can occur (or so I've been told) because: (1) the
extractor is not properly fitted, (2) the powder load and the recoil
(based on bullet weight) is not 'simpatico' with the stiffness of the
recoil spring.
If you start making changes to the gun, make them one at a time. Suggest
you seek out a gunsmith that has some familiarity with the 1911 style
gun. I've got a Wilson Combat tuned Springfield and really haven't had
any problems with it. But then is was purchased as a 'tuned' gun that was
guaranteed to work.
--
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Fear out of ignorance is . . . . to be stupid!
Larry L. Taylor
JMcdan2768
jamming, stovepiping, refusing to feed. We took it apart, cleaned the packing
lubricant, put a light film of lube on it, and then ran 5 magazines of
hardball thru it. On the first two mags, we had feed problems on last round in
mag. The last 3 rounds ran perfectly. Incidentally, I noted that my friend
was not holding the gun with a firm grip; i. e., he was "limp wristing." After
I showed him a different (perhaps better) hold, the gun shot perfectly and
accurately. I suspect it will begin to be reliable with hollow points after 200
rounds. By the way, I have had a Springfield Trophy Match for 2 years and
have problems only with after market, non-Springfield magazines. The old rule
of thumb, that an auto is reliable only after 200 rounds have been successfully
fired, makes a lot of sense. J. V. McDaniel, Milton, Fl.
Drlloyd1
straighten out, my friend also bought one and all three weapons would't feed or
eject properly with any type ammo.
Do what I did, get it back from the factory, sell it and buy something you can
bet your life on, a SIG.
Dauven
I find that very intresting. I have two M1911 style weapons. One is an Agentine
Systema 27, and the other is a home brew made on an essex frame. and some old
parts that were aquired in a scrap metal sell when they closed down a military
installation. There were only three or for slides, most of them had been
butchered and no barrels or barrel bushings. I purchased two Colt National Match
barrel and bushings and refitt them to these M1911's. The Systema is the
smoothest of the lot, and it likes everything including wad cutters. Suprise
Suprise. I have shot every thing from a flat face lead wad cutter, cast lead ammo,
(made from 22 cal projectiles that were dug out of a small bore range), 185 grain
jacketed hollow points, some of the new trunkcated cone ammo to plain old 230 grain
hard ball. After a little work with fine stones, and lapping compound, as well as
tunning the Magazines they both perform exceptionally well. One magazine I had to
weld the catch slot closed then recut it to make it work
To cure a M1911 style weapons jambing problems just takes a little patients, and
thinking about what is happening. Once you find the problem you can correct it
with very little effort and a few simple hand tools.
WORD OF WARNING, go very slow, and check often. it is easy to remove to much metal
and then you will have another set of problems.
Jim in Ore.
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Bobby Vincent
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# I've owned 2 Springfields, I had to send both back for the factory to
# straighten out, my friend also bought one and all three weapons would't
feed or
# eject properly with any type ammo.
#
# Do what I did, get it back from the factory, sell it and buy something you
can
# bet your life on, a SIG.
#
Damn fine decision you made, my Sigs never let me down.
Ken Marsh
Hi,
Bobby Vincent <epef...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#Well that's about what you can expect from a stock 1911 jam-o-matic.
But just what does a stock 1911 that have to with a Springfield V12?
Ken.
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Andy
say that I hated that gun. The grips were very uncomfortable and as the
subject of this thread states, it's a jam-o-matic. The sights on it were
not accurate at all and shot very low. I had to pretend that I was
shooting the target holder to even hit the bottom of the paper. When the
gun jammed, I got all sorts of different jams. Sometimes it would
stovepipe and sometimes it would not even feed the next round. Other
times it would stovepipe a new round! If I were you, I would sell the gun
and get a P220.
Trenton G. Twining
20 rds. As the gun broke in a little, this stopped. Using a little extra oil
on the rails helped this too. It would stove-pipe the last round in the
magazine for the next 400 rounds once every 50 rds (more than 1/2 the time
jamming as a result).
At 1000 rounds I replaced the recoil spring, using an 18lb Wilson combat. Now
it cycles like a dream. The last round still stove-pipes occasionally but it
always clears the port, just ruins the brass. SA sent me a new extractor to
fix the stove-pipes but I had already solved the jam problem so I haven't
installed it yet. I'm still carefull to oil the rails when I clean too.
The last 300 rds no misfeeds using 230 gr hardball (S&B). It also ran through
40 rds of Hornady JHP, which I believe was 200 gr, flawlessly. Up to 60
meters it seems very accurate too. I'm not able to comment on it beyond that
range due to operator limitations.
I added Hogue grips so that the beautiful cocobolo ones would stay pristine.
I like the Hogue's recoil absorption, and it's even better with the new
spring. It now demonstrates the reliability I hoped for from a 1911. I'm
very satisfied with my SA. Their service has been very good too. If you have
a problem, keep track of it, send SA a letter describing it, they'll either
tell you how to fix it or fix it for you; such is my experience with them.
Andy wrote:
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# My SA 1911A1 had occasional misfeeds during the 1st 600 rounds: about 1 per
# 20 rds. As the gun broke in a little, this stopped. Using a little extra oil
# on the rails helped this too. It would stove-pipe the last round in the
# magazine for the next 400 rounds once every 50 rds (more than 1/2 the time
# jamming as a result).
#
# At 1000 rounds I replaced the recoil spring, using an 18lb Wilson combat. Now
# it cycles like a dream. The last round still stove-pipes occasionally but it
# always clears the port, just ruins the brass. SA sent me a new extractor to
# fix the stove-pipes but I had already solved the jam problem so I haven't
# installed it yet. I'm still carefull to oil the rails when I clean too.
Try using Tetra-gun oil (or grease). After a few applications, the stuff plates
the metal with teflon, and really reduces friction.
David Kelsey
Mine have always worked well out of the box.
I always have a few misfeeds (2 or 3 in my experience) in the first 200
rounds, but it has always cleared up after that. I polish the feedramps
and only use Wilson mags.
The one that I carry (a basic stainless 1911A1 with a few Wilson drop-in
parts that I've added) has not had a single failure in the last 2000
rounds (I never shoot more than 200 at a time and then clean it very,
very thoroughly).
I suspect that the one you fired was a rental gun. Even the best of
rental guns wear down.
Andy wrote:
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" . . . this, above all, to thine own self be true."
Mike Knifong
I've owned several 1911's, and worked on many more. I have to say I don't
consider the Springfield Armory (SA) pistols to be any better than the
others. I find that the currnet Colts have a better factory trigger than the
SA, the Kimber are even better. I haven't found a brand yet that doesn't have
some trouble from time to time. I recently aquired a Kimber LE, and found it
needed the ramp polished to feed 200gr SWC's correctly. By the same respects
a fella brought a SA V10 to me, claiming he'd lost faith in it as it jammed
from time to time. I found the recoil spring weak, so I relaced it with a
Wolff 24lb one, I also found the feed ramp rough so I polished it. Ialso
tuned the extractor pressure and polished the hook as well. In addition I
found the trigger broke at near 10lbs! So I tuned it to a nice crisp 4lbs (he
also shoots a Glock, so I tried to match the two). I also instructed him on
the proper care & feeding of his pistol, including a drop of Tetra oil on the
rails and sear with each cleaning. The owner is now so pleased & excited, he
can't stop talking about it. The pistol hasn't jammed yet. He once again
trusts it and is carrying it concealed.
The gun cost him $500 several years back and he was about to let it go for
$350. I talked him into keeping it and and having me look it over. All said
and done he spent about $75 on the work I just mentioned. By the way he talks
you'd think he feels he now owns a $1500 custom pistol!! My point here is, a
good smith can make a good pistol flawless for very little money. As a matter
of fact, buying a good used pistol for $300-400 and having your smith work it
over, will result in a much better pistol than a new one. Look for used
pistols with tight barrel lockup, as loose slides can be tightened and
triggers tuned.
Talk to ya latter,
Mike in Oregon
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can be damaged by battering during recoil if the spring is too light,
but, the flip side of the coin is that if you use too heavy a spring,
the gun can also sustain damage as it slams forward with too much force
and speed. Im just curious why such a heavy spring? What problem was it
supposed to correct that a 20# spring wouldnt? I tried a 24# Wolff in my
Springfield 1911A1 "Loaded", and decided it was just too heavy and went
to a Wolff 18.5 and it works fine. (I did have to lightly polish the
ramps and throat/chamber because, believe it or not, there were visible
tool marks on the barrel's feedramp. The frame ramp also benefitted from
some Flitz and a dremmel's attention.)
Getting back to the heavy spring question, I keep a Wilson Shok-Buff in
there which i believe protects the frame better than the heavier spring
would have for the reason i mentioned above. Im not a gunsmith, and i
assume you are, so i figure that you may know something i dont, and
therefore, i just wanted to basically inquire as to your
thinking/reasoning on the heavy spring, since i too had had this
dilemma. Any info is appreciated.
On a side note, i have to agree that Kimbers are of a higher level of
quality than the Springfields. First, my blued Springfield 1911A1, after
very little use, has been losing its, apparently very fragile bluing and
actually began to rust a bit where my sweat had contacted the underside
of the trigger guard. My SA has visible machine marks and non-critical
areas are left somewhat rough, and if you compare the SA to a Kimber,
side by side, the Kimber does strike you as exhibiting a higher level of
quality, fit and finish, though, ironically, my Springfield's trigger is
absolutely perfect; crisp and not one hint of creep, while i continue to
see a lot of new Kimbers, including the Gold Match and even the new
Custom Shop ones for $1,000+, with triggers that are good, but, not
perfect or as good as my cheap Springfield's trigger, go figure. Its
disconcerting to see a gun for $1,000 that has creep in the trigger IMO.
In the end, the Springfiled is still a pretty decent gun for the $,
though i wouldnt mind a Kimber GM, if, and only if, its a "good one"
with a relatively light, creepless trigger right out of the box.
Regards,
Ari
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