Fiocchi Ammo Sucks!
Balraj Singh
I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
run into a bad batch?
'raj
The Polymath
unstable wrote:
#Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
#
#>I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#>over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#>Boy that is really bad!! ...
#Why don't you check for adequate firing pin strike ...
#... I might be forced to reply:
#'Only when fired by irresponsible people with
#uncommon last names!'....
Not really relevant to the group, but ...
"Singh" is one of the most (possibly _the_ most) common names in the
world. It just isn't very common in the USA, yet.
What was that about "doing homework?" (-:{
Besides, Mr. Singh did _ask_ if this was normal behavior for Fiocchi
and we are supposed to be the "kinder, gentler newsgroup" (thanks to
our esteemed moderator).
[MODERATOR: And, indeed, thanks to the group for pitching
in and reminding us of this.... ]
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Holm-Kjetil Holmsen
Balraj Singh wrote:
#
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# run into a bad batch?
#
# 'raj
I've used Fiocchi ammo for over a year, both the 115 grain FMJ and
the 124 grain lead cartridges. In adition, Fiocchi has supplied
9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ to the Norwegean army the last years, I've
used some of that, too. They would not have taken it if it was
that bad!
By the way: I use a Glock 17...
What do you mean by "misfires"?? I've heard that the primers on
Fiocchi ammo _can_ be a little hard for some guns. It can even
be a little tough for some Glocks, and they are designed for this
type of ammo...
Holm-Kjetil Holmsen kje...@taskon.no
System consultant
TASKON A/S
Odd H}vard Skevik
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com>, Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> writes:
|> I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
|>
|>
I have used Fiocchi ammo in .22 long rifle and 12ga shotgun.
The .22 ammo was not up to my standards (misfires, bad accuracy in my guns),
but the shotshells were OK.
OHS
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but in practice, there is....."
The Polymath
Balraj Singh wrote:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#... Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
Sounds like a bad batch, or a problem with your gun. I've never had
any problems with Fiocchi.
Bill Dewey
I've been using Fiocchi the last few months, have shot about 600 rounds
through my Glock 26. Only two misfires, both my fault for blocking the
slide. Perhaps you just got a bad batch.
Balraj Singh wrote:
#
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
# run into a bad batch?
#
# 'raj
Philip Peake
Balraj Singh wrote:
#
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
# run into a bad batch?
I am on my second 1000 round carton, and never a single misfire.
I think you have either a *really* bad batch, a problem with your
gun, or some reloads that someone re-packaged in the Fiocchi boxes
(check the headstamp, it should be: "G.F.L. 9 mm Luger").
Philip
Bruce W. Prothe
On 7 Oct 1996, Balraj Singh wrote:
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
# run into a bad batch?
I've shot some Fiocchi .38 Special -- not _too_ much, only
a few hundred rounds -- but no misfires. And it's quite a bit cleaner
than the Blazers I used to buy....
-Bruce
dingleberry
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com> Balraj Singh, bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com
writes:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#
Whoa, something went very wrong there.
My last 750 rnds went with no hitch in all of my 9s.
What were you shooting out of ?
I'd definitely verify the gun then give Fiocchi a call after the
gun checked out. With 20% failure, something is VERY wrong.
regards
db
Bill Keels
I have used quite a bit of this stuff in 38 Super for range practice and
have not had a single problem with over 1000 rounds of it. It is
reasonably priced and the quality is better than UMC in my experience.
Bill
Carl Porter
Balraj Singh wrote:
#
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
# run into a bad batch?
#
# 'raj
I would say you got a bad batch, my friends and I have put
several hundred rounds through our guns with no problems. He has a Sig
and I have a Browning.
sc...@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu
I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
No commercial ammo would regularly perfom THAT poorly. By "misfire",
do you mean "dud"? If so, my first guess would be humidity.
I've gone through two cases with no problems. Also, through two separate
threads here, people have seemed to be pretty happy with the stuff.
Scott
Keith Whaley
Balraj Singh wrote:
#
# I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
# over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
# Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
# run into a bad batch?
#
# 'raj
No disrespect, friend, but if I found 1/5 of my shooting effort not popping
primers, the *very* first thing I would suspect was my own gun!
There are at least half a dozen things that can and will cause light primer
hits, that are ALL gun related.
You might check all of them out before you go off blaming Fiocchi for what
you've experienced.
Just my opinion. .
keith whaley <== pistolsmith, WHALEY's Gunsmithing, Los Angeles
robert (r.f.) coleman
The range I used to shoot at in Georgia sold Fiocchi ammo. I went through
no less than 500 rounds of .38 spec., another 300 .357 mag and a about
260+ rounds of 9mm without a single bad round/misfire. Based on my limited
personal experience, either you got a bad lot -OR- Fiocchi QC has gone in the
can.
Bob C.
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# "All opinions expressed are my own." <
#______________________________________________________________________<
Steve M. Holtz
# I've used Fiocchi ammo for over a year, both the 115 grain FMJ and
# the 124 grain lead cartridges. In adition, Fiocchi has supplied
# 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ to the Norwegean army the last years, I've
# used some of that, too. They would not have taken it if it was
# that bad!
# Holm-Kjetil Holmsen kje...@taskon.no
# System consultant
# TASKON A/S
I must agree with you. Fiocchi seems to be one of the most reliable and
consistent ammos I have used. This year alone I am through 3000 rounds of
115 gr 9mm and almost 1000 rounds of 230 gr .45, without a single dud.
Further, the 9mm has gone mostly through a gun with a 4 lb trigger. I
suspect Balraj may wish to take a closer look a this gun.
Steve
Gary 3985
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#
#'raj
What gun were you using?
Did the primers on the rounds that did not go off show a good hit from the
firing pin?
The only time I have ever had a problem with any misfires in my Browning
was about 3 months after I got it. They were caused by a buildup of crud
around the firing pin. If the primers on the rounds don't show a solid hit
from the firing pin check and make see if the pin moves freely. I have run
thousands of rounds of Fiocchi 9mm's thru my Hi-Power with no problems.
Gary
MethodMan
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#
#'raj
I've shot Fiocchi 9mm GMJ thru a Glock 19, SIG P226, Colt 9mm Carbine, HK
P7 without any problems.
Perhaps your firearm is malfunctioning?
Joe Chew
I've found their pistol ammo in several calibers to be both
reliable and accurate. Their shotgun shells are good (well,
at least they don't appear to further compromise my already
questionable ability to break birds) and a knowledgeable
friend describes their shot as "quite hard," indicative of
an ammo company that isn't skimping on components.
A good scientific approach is to try a different brand in
your gun, and, if the symptoms don't indicate a safety
problem like overpressure or launching squibs partway down
the barrel, try your shells in another gun of the same
caliber. Most failures of commercial ammo and quality
reloads are caused by a dirty gun and/or a weak spring
(perhaps from age, perhaps from a bullseye-oriented
improvement) that isn't driving the firing pin into the
primers hard enough.
Have fun and shoot safely,
--Joe
Ed Rudnicki
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com>,
Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
The problem is most likely with your gun rather than the ammunition.
Can you borrow a 9mm of another make to try the ammo in? Some guns,
S&W semiautos in particular, can become unreliable in firing
cartridges using the somewhat harder military primers.
Try to find a P.38, in particular, as in my experience they seem to
give the hardest primer strikes of all the 9s I've tried.
Of course, if you still have the problem in other pistols, then it
is the ammo; as others have said, a bad batch.
Ed Rudnicki
erud...@pica.army.mil
Oculis numquam claudentibus
El Sarroso
Kevin Chung
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com>,
Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#'raj
#
What type of gun were you using?
I've shot Fiocchi 9mm in my Sig with no problems, BUT I did note
that there was, what appeared to be, bits of brass all over the
internals of my gun the next time I cleaned it. I've sworn off
Fiocchi ever since. I'm using CCI Lawman Clean-fire and CCI Blazers
instead.
-Kevin
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kch...@Synopsys.COM
John Scott McNab
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com>,
Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#
#'raj
Very unusual in my experience. I've fired something like 4K+ rounds of
Fiocchi. Most of it 115g FMJ. I don't recall _ever_ having a misfire.
Are you, by any chance, using the american manufactured Fiocchi rather
than the italian manufactured? I've heard of people having problems
with the american manufactured ammo but I don't have any personal
experience with it.
-John Scott McNab
Balraj Singh
LLHDRH wrote:
#
# No, in my opinion, this is not usual with Fiocchi ammo at all, IMHO. I've
# fired several thousand rounds of this exact loading in the last few years,
# through 3 different 9mm's with no problems whatsoever.
#
# I would question the gun before the ammo. (unless maybe you DID just get a
# bad batch) Is your gun of known reliability? Misfires may indicate a light
# firing pin strike, and hammer springs (or striker springs) can fail.
#
# IMO, any "misfire" with factory loaded ammunition is doubtful, unless I'm
# misinterpeting your meaning. I would term "misfire" as a dent in the
# primer with no "explosion". In other words, a dud primer or light firing
# pin strike.
Yes, that is what I ment by misfires. I have fired about 250 rounds of
Lawman Speer ammo through the new gun (S&W SW9F) and had no problems
till
this new batch of ammo. (Looking at the primer, of the ones that
"misfired"
it does seem that the dent was a bit lighter than the ones that did
fire) ..
hmmm!!
'raj
Peter Stadlmaier
Hi !
Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
I use Fiocci .357Mag and .45ACP and have NEVER experienced ANY
misfire.
Regards,
Peter
LLHDRH
No, in my opinion, this is not usual with Fiocchi ammo at all, IMHO. I've
I would question the gun before the ammo. (unless maybe you DID just get a
bad batch) Is your gun of known reliability? Misfires may indicate a light
firing pin strike, and hammer springs (or striker springs) can fail.
IMO, any "misfire" with factory loaded ammunition is doubtful, unless I'm
misinterpeting your meaning. I would term "misfire" as a dent in the
primer with no "explosion". In other words, a dud primer or light firing
pin strike.
HBTMD
Although Fiocchi is not my favorite ammo (I love Federal, Winchester and
Speer) I have never had a dented primer without firing with Fiocchi. I
have had that problem with some military .308 that had unusually hard
primers. I would suspect the gun before the ammo in this case. Have a
qualified gunsmith check it over.
Regards / Psycho-Doc
HBTMD on AOL
Richard A. Victor
In article <325962...@cup.hp.com>, Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com>
#I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
#over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
#Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
#run into a bad batch?
#'raj
#
Others have already responded regarding the reliability of Fiocchi
ammo. My experience has been the same, i.e., very reliable.
I might suggest that your post would have been better received if you
had been less judgmental in your choice of subject lines. The text of your
post asks a question which the subject line appears to already have
answered.
Dick
Ric...@Victor.com
10/09/96 10:16 CDT (-0500)
Charles Winters
Of the many thousands of rounds of .22 rimfire ammo I have shot in my
lifetime, only one round has actually split open and released hot gas
back toward me. You guessed it, Fiocchi. The case split around the rim
and dumped hot gas past the bolt and into the mag well of my bolt action
rifle. I was amazed at the power of this jet of gas, it blew the
magazine clear out onto the ground and caused considerable damage to the
magazine release catch. No more Fiocchi for me. - CW
RonaldShin
s...@tvfa2.tvfa.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Stadlmaier) wrote:
#Hi !
#Balraj Singh <bsi...@hpax.cup.hp.com> wrote:
##I used Fiocchi 9mm Luger 115 grain FMJ factory ammo at the local range
##over the weekend and got about 20 misfires in a batch of 100 rounds.
##Boy that is really bad!! Is this usual for Fiocchi ammo or did I just
##run into a bad batch?
#I use Fiocci .357Mag and .45ACP and have NEVER experienced ANY
#misfire.
#Regards,
# Peter
Fiocchi ammo seems to be loaded closer to NATO standards than other
brands, which results in a hotter load. Not all pistols can tolerate
NATO loaded ammo.