Nagant Revolver Questions
3S
I understand they shoot an oddball 7.62 round.
I found a page with info at www.voicenet.com/~danz/MN/nagant1.htm that
was pretty neat. Anybody got one of these? Got any comments about it
you'd like to share? Who's selling these Nagant revolvers these days,
anyhow? What's the going price tag? Worth buying?
Thanks for your two cents,
- 3S
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#
# These gas-seal revolvers look pretty interesting.
# I understand they shoot an oddball 7.62 round.
# I found a page with info at www.voicenet.com/~danz/MN/nagant1.htm that
# was pretty neat. Anybody got one of these? Got any comments about it
# you'd like to share? Who's selling these Nagant revolvers these days,
# anyhow? What's the going price tag? Worth buying?
# Thanks for your two cents,
# - 3S
I have one but I've never fired it, and probably won't (well, maybe once
just for laughs). I bought mine a year or so ago from a local dealer at
a gun show, to replace the one I gave as a gift to a friend who went to
school in Russia. $140 if I remember right. Looks almost new, but
obviously it's been refinished, which actually sucks since it's dated
1917 (the year of the revolution) and inscribed (possibly personalized)
in Russian, and might be worth something if it wasn't refinished.
Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
(can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
after a couple reloadings).
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Larry D. Fishel
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Peter H. Proctor
#From: Larry Fishel <lfi...@gate.net>
#Subject: Re: Nagant Revolver Questions
#Date: 18 Apr 2000 09:45:08 -0400
#3S wrote:
##
## These gas-seal revolvers look pretty interesting.
## I understand they shoot an oddball 7.62 round.
## I found a page with info at www.voicenet.com/~danz/MN/nagant1.htm that
## was pretty neat. Anybody got one of these? Got any comments about it
## you'd like to share? Who's selling these Nagant revolvers these days,
## anyhow? What's the going price tag? Worth buying?
## Thanks for your two cents,
## - 3S
snip..
#Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
#you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
#(can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
#after a couple reloadings).
You can get replacement cylinders in 32 acp and .30 Tokarov for
Nagants. Don't recall the address, but they advertise in Shotgun news.
The 32 ACP cylinder works just fine. Also, fiocchi makes a 32 acp
round that gives almost .380 energy. I also got a tokarov cylinder but
looked at the thinness of the metal and haven't shot it yet-- maybe with 30
Mauser<G>.
Dr P
J. Freeman
of Shotgun News. www.centuryarms.com The last time they advertised them
they were $59 wholesale.
I have 3 of them one in 7.62Nygant,one has the cylinder modified to use
7.62x25mm by a gunsmith in Missouri that advertises in Shotgun News. The
other has a .32auto cylinder from SOG.
The 7.62Nygant ammo is $30 a box of 50 for Fiocchi boxer primed. It is good
ammo but about one in every 15 the case mouth splits.
The 7.62x25mm is the way to go because of the 10 cents a round for the
surplus ammo.
The 32auto is very cheap to shoot also but it seems to be pretty wimpy when
compared to the recoil of the 7.62Nygant or 7.62x25mm.
William Britt
britt
Sol Schwartz
And you know Russian stuff is tough and reliable.
Can be bought from Century International for ridiculous price
something like $60 or something.
The only catch is ammunition-you need to use special 7.62 Nagan round.
Bullet is totally inside of cartage, during shot end of cartage suppose
to
band over and seal gap between drum and barrel. Drum need to be reloaded
from
side gate(there is no swivel of drum for reloading, like in modern
revolvers)
There is a option buy new drum from same Century to use with
..380ACP, price is, I think also $65, and of cause is not going to be gas
sealed any more. Total price for useable revolver gonna be $120-price of
Makarov,
that definitely much better gun (at list Russian Army think so, when
they
replace Nagant)
Gas seal give you 50 feet per second on to muzzle velocity.
Russian 1895 revolver fires a 108 grain bullet at 1000 feet a second.
(see Ian V. Hogg Encyclopedia of firearms page 247)
Is extra 50 feet per second so important?
3S wrote:
> ...
Peter H. Proctor
#From: "J. Freeman" <j.a.f...@worldnet.att.net>
#Subject: Re: Nagant Revolver Questions
#Century International Arms Inc. has them in there ad in the April 20th issue
#of Shotgun News. www.centuryarms.com The last time they advertised them
#they were $59 wholesale.
#I have 3 of them one in 7.62Nygant,one has the cylinder modified to use
#7.62x25mm by a gunsmith in Missouri that advertises in Shotgun News. The
#other has a .32auto cylinder from SOG.
#The 7.62x25mm is the way to go because of the 10 cents a round for the
#surplus ammo.
I looked at the thinness of the metal on this cylinder and got a
little nervous about shooting full-power Tokarov 7.62.x25. Got some 30
Mauser ( essentially the same round, but less pressure ) I haven't tried yet.
How has Tokarov worked for you ? This sure is a good solution for
the Nagant ammo problem.
#The 32auto is very cheap to shoot also but it seems to be pretty wimpy
#when compared to the recoil of the 7.62Nygant or 7.62x25mm.
Exception: Fiocci sells a 32 acp round that runs 1200 fps for a
60 gr bullet. This is more ME than the Nagant round, but a lot
less than shooting tokarov.
Dr P
3S
#Makarov,that definitely much better gun (at list Russian Army think so, when
#they replace Nagant)
#Gas seal give you 50 feet per second on to muzzle velocity.
#Russian 1895 revolver fires a 108 grain bullet at 1000 feet a second.
#(see Ian V. Hogg Encyclopedia of firearms page 247)
#Is extra 50 feet per second so important?
I wouldn't buy a Nagant for performance but for the intriguing action
- that kewl gas seal cylinder and single-action type loading gate is
pretty unique and interesting. I find it attractive as a piece of
history and as a machine.
- 3S
Nick Hull
<lfi...@gate.net> wrote:
#.....
# Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
# you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
# (can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
# after a couple reloadings).
It's easy enough to make new brass out of modern common brass.
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Peter H. Proctor
#From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
#Subject: Re: Nagant Revolver Questions
#In article <8dhot4$135$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Larry Fishel
#<lfi...@gate.net> wrote:
##.....
## Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
## you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
## (can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
## after a couple reloadings).
#It's easy enough to make new brass out of modern common brass.
You can make Nagant ammo out of 32-20, but it is a bit of a hassle.
Trim to size, run thru a die and fireform. The problem is that you also
have to thin the rim.
Dr P
Peter H. Proctor
#From: nh...@mindspring.com (Nick Hull)
#Subject: Re: Nagant Revolver Questions
#Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:58:31 -0400
#In article <8dhot4$135$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Larry Fishel
#<lfi...@gate.net> wrote:
##.....
## Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
## you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
## (can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
## after a couple reloadings).
#It's easy enough to make new brass out of modern common brass.
In a pinch, you can also use 32 long, At the expense of ruined
cases and a lot of blowback. Use protective eyewear if you do this-- the
sucker really spits. What makes it barely possible is the block that
presses on the base of the case as the cylinder moves foreward. I recommend
a 32 acp cylinder or (if you are really feeling lucky ) a Torarev cylinder.
bevnsag
Nick Hull wrote:
#
# In article <8dhot4$135$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Larry Fishel
# <lfi...@gate.net> wrote:
#
# #.....
# # Yes, "neat" about says it. About the only other useful thing I can tell
# # you about it is that the ammo is expensive and marginally reloadable
# # (can be reloaded, but the extreme "crimp" means the brass will fail
# # after a couple reloadings).
#
# It's easy enough to make new brass out of modern common brass.
What do you use and how do you do it?
I've been able to make cases from .223 brass. Takes a little trial and
error to swage down the head enough in the full length sizing die, then
a little lathe work to finish the head. I don't know of any other common
brass to use as a start?
On the other hand, I'll be reloading the milsurp Berdan ammo too, as
soon as I get the right size primers.
Tom Woodley
TOZ 36 or 49 target revolver. These are built on the Nagant action and are
exceptionally accurate - but they are strictly TARGET guns (single action)
and shoot only lead wadcutters. Not only that but they are a very handsome
looking gun - unlike the Nagant which is a tad cumbersome looking.
kc4...@hotmail.com
it. very accurate. Great single action trigger. DA trigger is heavy,
but very managable once you get use to it. Much more so than on my CZ-
50.
The ammo I have is not crimped like the Fiocci (sp). It just has a
full case taper. Its russion ammo, white box with the target on the
side of the box. I would love to find more of this stuff. Real fun
gun to shoot.
Lee Ratcliff
J. Freeman
2 boxes of 70 rounds of Chinese surplus ammo,1 box of 50rds of S&B,20
handloads of 55gr fmj bullets in .30 caliber sabots,and 1 box of 40 rds of
Yugoslavian ammo on stripper clips so far. The alleged "thin" cylinder has
not exploded or cracked yet. All rounds have hit in the black of a NRA
pistol target at 15 yards. This is shooting off hand not resting it on a
bench.
Peter H. Proctor
#From: bevnsag <bev...@home.com>
#Subject: Re: Nagant Revolver Questions
#What do you use and how do you do it?
#I've been able to make cases from .223 brass. Takes a little trial and
#error to swage down the head enough in the full length sizing die, then
#a little lathe work to finish the head. I don't know of any other common
#brass to use as a start?
32-20 works fine. You also have to thin the rim a bit, easy if you
have a lathe.
Dr P
Peter H. Proctor
#From: "J. Freeman" <j.a.f...@worldnet.att.net>
#The one with the cylinder bored out for 7.62x25mm shoots fine. I have fired
#2 boxes of 70 rounds of Chinese surplus ammo,1 box of 50rds of S&B,20
#handloads of 55gr fmj bullets in .30 caliber sabots,and 1 box of 40 rds of
#Yugoslavian ammo on stripper clips so far. The alleged "thin" cylinder has
#not exploded or cracked yet. All rounds have hit in the black of a NRA
#pistol target at 15 yards. This is shooting off hand not resting it on a
#bench.
Thanks. This conversion makes the Nagant a pretty viable firearm
and not just a collector's item. If memory serves, the chinese and S&B
ammo is supposed to be particularly hot, so this is a pretty good test..
PHP
Nick Hull
# Nick Hull wrote:
#
# #
# # It's easy enough to make new brass out of modern common brass.
#
# What do you use and how do you do it?
# I've been able to make cases from .223 brass. Takes a little trial and
# error to swage down the head enough in the full length sizing die, then
# a little lathe work to finish the head. I don't know of any other common
# brass to use as a start?
.223 seems best; I size it in 2 stages using LOTS of lube. Ist stage in
press to get it started, only go in 1/3 - 1/2 way. Then I run it the rest
of the way in a vise, more power and good feel too. Extracts easily with
a nail in the vise & no strain on the rim. It only takes .007 cut in a
lathe to finish, but it could be done with a drill & file.
I've even made nagant cases out of .38 special, but I don't recommend it.
# On the other hand, I'll be reloading the milsurp Berdan ammo too, as
# soon as I get the right size primers.
#
I've reloaded the Berdan stuff using large pistol primers; I drill out the
Berdan pocket & remove the tit in the bottom. Not too hard to do with the
right tooling, but ,223 is a lot easier.
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