Did Hoppe's #9 solvent change ?
BByron5775
Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
or anything about gun powder solvent.
Thanks
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MEHLaw
#or anything about gun powder solvent.
Maybe 10 years ago, Breakfree was forced to reformulate, in order to stop
making holes in the upper atmosphere over the South Pole, I think. The old
stuff smelled pretty good. The new stuff smelled like plain motor oil to me
(and still does). I wrote and inquired concerned that some whacked out gun
hater might have sabotaged a batch or two. One of the officers wrote to explain
what had happened, and said the new formulation was still mil-spec for a CLP.
THIS news ruins the old saying: "I love it when my girl smells like Hoppes #9
in the morning". Sad to think about.
Very best regards, Maurice E. Hebert
Walk Softly........and Carry.
For all of this Century, our benighted Nation will still be discovering the
grievous harm maliciously done to it by the Clinton presidency. THAT'S HIS
DAMNED LEGACY!!
Jeff
Jeff
Keith Whaley
BByron5775 wrote:
#
# Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
# Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
# I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
# Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
# Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
# The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
#
# Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
# or anything about gun powder solvent.
Hoppes claims they haven't changed the formulation, but most of us who
have been around the product for the past 50+ years say it has changed...
I think they left out the 'banana oil' they used to put in it. That
has a very distinctive scent, and it no longer has it.
I suspect it's an Environmental Protection Agency thing.
I don't know about a change in the past 6 or 7 years, if that's what
you're talking about.
I mean changes in the past 20 years or so. Seems to me they took out
one or more volatile cleaners/solvents that the EPA didn't like.
Keith Whaley - pistolsmith
WHALEY's Gunsmithing
Los Angeles, CA
KCOM
<kei...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
#
#
#BByron5775 wrote:
##
## Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
## Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
## I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
## Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
## Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
## The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
##
## Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
## or anything about gun powder solvent.
#
#Hoppes claims they haven't changed the formulation, but most of us who
#have been around the product for the past 50+ years say it has changed...
#
#I think they left out the 'banana oil' they used to put in it. That
#has a very distinctive scent, and it no longer has it.
#
#I suspect it's an Environmental Protection Agency thing.
#
#I don't know about a change in the past 6 or 7 years, if that's what
#you're talking about.
#I mean changes in the past 20 years or so. Seems to me they took out
#one or more volatile cleaners/solvents that the EPA didn't like.
#
#Keith Whaley - pistolsmith
#WHALEY's Gunsmithing
#Los Angeles, CA
#
Yes, but the main thing is did the effectiveness change? From my
perspective, it didn't.
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J David Phillips
I was single, I used to dab a little behind the ears before I went out.
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Stan Schaefer
# Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
# Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
# I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
# Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
# Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
# The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
#
# Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
# or anything about gun powder solvent.
# Thanks
#
An old bottle I have says it's got nitrobenzene in it, I'm sure this
is not a PC thing to have in a consumer product these days. I've
noticed women seem to have a lot stronger negative reaction to the
smell of aromatic hydrocarbons(toluene, benzene, nitrobenzene, etc.)
than most men. I think amyl nitrate was also a component of the old
formula. I haven't bought any Hoppes for a long time so I'm not sure
what's in there now. I use Kleenbore or Shooter's Choice for most of
my cleaning now.
Stan
Stan Schaefer
# Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
# Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
# I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
# Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
# Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
# The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
#
# Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
# or anything about gun powder solvent.
# Thanks
#
An old bottle I have says it's got nitrobenzene in it, I'm sure this
is not a PC thing to have in a consumer product these days. I've
noticed women seem to have a lot stronger negative reaction to the
smell of aromatic hydrocarbons(toluene, benzene, nitrobenzene, etc.)
than most men. I think amyl nitrate was also a component of the old
formula. I haven't bought any Hoppes for a long time so I'm not sure
what's in there now. I use Kleenbore or Shooter's Choice for most of
my cleaning now.
Stan
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# I noticed the same thing myself. The "new" stuff doesn't smell nearly as
good...
#
# Jeff
# ------------------------------------------------
And have you noticed the new taste? It's lost that old tangy, biting
flavor I so savored as an afternoon aperitif.
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Steve Gray
Phoenix, AZ
Keith Whaley
KCOM wrote:
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# On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:39 +0000 (UTC), Keith Whaley
# <kei...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
#
# #
# #
# #BByron5775 wrote:
# ##
# ## Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
# ## Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
# ## I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
# ## Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
# ## Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
# ## The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
# ##
# ## Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
# ## or anything about gun powder solvent.
# #
# #Hoppes claims they haven't changed the formulation, but most of us who
# #have been around the product for the past 50+ years say it has changed...
= snipped =
#Keith Whaley - pistolsmith
# #WHALEY's Gunsmithing
# #Los Angeles, CA
# #
#
# Yes, but the main thing is did the effectiveness change? From my
# perspective, it didn't.
#
# --
# Steve
Well heck, Steve, that's all that matters, isn't it?
If it works for you, who cares what's in it?
No, you're totally right. <g>
keith whaley
Keith Whaley
Stan Schaefer wrote:
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# bbyro...@aol.com (BByron5775) wrote in message news:<afau2n$3sa$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
# # Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
# # Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
# # I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
# # Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
# # Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
# # The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
# #
# # Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
# # or anything about gun powder solvent.
# # Thanks
# #
#
# An old bottle I have says it's got nitrobenzene in it,
= rest snipped =
It actually lists that as an ingredient on the label?
Wow! I don't have any bottles that old anymore...
keith
Crawford Reed
Maybe we can swap recipes....
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Charlie Dilks
wmgra...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/27/02 7:26 AM:
# And have you noticed the new taste? It's lost that old tangy, biting
# flavor I so savored as an afternoon aperitif.
Don't bring that up! :)
Some years ago I was cleaning guns while drinking a soda from a "Big Gulp"
type cup. I was throwing my used patches into a similar cup. I threw one
into the soda and later took a drink. Blaagh!
As to the new formulation. It's too bad they changed it so it doesn't smell
the same. That's one of my favorite parts of gun cleaning. Though I now use
Shooter's Choice and others, I still at least wave around a patch of my "old
stock" #9 just for the odor.
I still use Hoppes for my .22s that don't require copper removal.
RB
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Roger A. Krupski
# has a very distinctive scent, and it no longer has it.
That "banana oil" smell comes from Amyl Acetate. I have a bottle of A.A.
for use in model diesel airplane engine fuel which is 1/3 kerosene,
1/3 castor oil, 1/3 diethyl ether and a few drops of amyl acetate.
In the model diesel engine fuel, the amyl acetate makes the needle
valve and compression adjustments broader (i.e. less critical).
I have played around with making my own "Hoppes #9" by mixing about
3/4 kerosene, 1/4 30 weight motor oil and a "pinch" of amyl acetate.
It looks, smells and works the same as Hoppes #9, although I do not
know if this is anywhere near the actual formula... I was just
experimenting.
For what it's worth... FWIW ;-)
Roger
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# If it works for you, who cares what's in it?
You may think I'm nuts, but I *love* the smell of a nice clean
rifle when I open the case and get a whiff of residual Hoppes.
Sometimes, I even lovingly smell the end of the barrel.
(Stop laughing... lots of you others do it too... ADMIT IT!)
Roger
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Larry Caldwell
writes:
# I think they left out the 'banana oil' they used to put in it. That
# has a very distinctive scent, and it no longer has it.
#From the price tag, I bought the bottle I have about 6 or 7 years ago.
It smells like bananas.
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"J David Phillips" <flm...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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# I'm really sorry to hear that they've changed the way it smells. Back
when
# I was single, I used to dab a little behind the ears before I went out.
#
# flmflam
# A-1 Pawn & Jewelry
# 1925 S.E.Hwy 19
# Crystal River, Florida, 34429
# fax# 352-795-2093
# px# 352-795-2777
# flm...@tampabay.rr.com
Steve Gray
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when
# I was single, I used to dab a little behind the ears before I went out.
You son of a gun. I bet the girls thought you were a real pistol of
a date.
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Phoenix, AZ
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# "Jeff" <invict...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:afcd6r$dtp$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # I noticed the same thing myself. The "new" stuff doesn't smell nearly as
# good...
# #
# # Jeff
# # ------------------------------------------------
# And have you noticed the new taste? It's lost that old tangy, biting
# flavor I so savored as an afternoon aperitif.
Sounds almost like someone else reads Capstick.
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KCOM
<kei...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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#
#KCOM wrote:
##
## On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:39 +0000 (UTC), Keith Whaley
## <kei...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
##
## #
## #
## #BByron5775 wrote:
## ##
## ## Have been using Hoppe's #9 powder solvent for about 25 years.
## ## Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, I got the large size. Early this year,
## ## I used it up and got a new bottle. 2 ozs size for $2
## ## Something changed ! The old #9 had a strong smell.
## ## Already throw out the old big bottle, so I can not check it.
## ## The new #9 solvent only says "....contains kerosene...."
## ##
## ## Any comments on old vs new Hoppe's #9,
## ## or anything about gun powder solvent.
## #
## #Hoppes claims they haven't changed the formulation, but most of us who
## #have been around the product for the past 50+ years say it has changed...
#
#= snipped =
#
# #Keith Whaley - pistolsmith
## #WHALEY's Gunsmithing
## #Los Angeles, CA
## #
##
## Yes, but the main thing is did the effectiveness change? From my
## perspective, it didn't.
##
## --
## Steve
#
#Well heck, Steve, that's all that matters, isn't it?
#If it works for you, who cares what's in it?
#No, you're totally right. <g>
#
#keith whaley
#
Actually it's been sometime since I've used Hoppe's. With such stuff
like Butch's Bore Shine, RB-17, Tetragun Copper Solvent, MPro 7, all
the various types of Shooter's Choice bore cleaners, Break Free CLP,
and many, many others, one runs out of dirty bores before they really
need the Hoppe's.
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KCOM
<cdi...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
#in article afespe$6tr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu, Steve Gray at
#wmgra...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/27/02 7:26 AM:
#
## And have you noticed the new taste? It's lost that old tangy, biting
## flavor I so savored as an afternoon aperitif.
#
#Don't bring that up! :)
#Some years ago I was cleaning guns while drinking a soda from a "Big Gulp"
#type cup. I was throwing my used patches into a similar cup. I threw one
#into the soda and later took a drink. Blaagh!
#
#As to the new formulation. It's too bad they changed it so it doesn't smell
#the same. That's one of my favorite parts of gun cleaning. Though I now use
#Shooter's Choice and others, I still at least wave around a patch of my "old
#stock" #9 just for the odor.
#
#I still use Hoppes for my .22s that don't require copper removal.
#
#RB
I've used all of the Shooter's Choice except for the Extreme Clean,
and their all good. Have you've used the Extreme Clean yet?
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rb...@fuse.net
<kru...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
#Sometimes, I even lovingly smell the end of the barrel.
#
#(Stop laughing... lots of you others do it too... ADMIT IT!)
#
Worse than that, I've got a buddy that likes the smell of burned
powder and Hoppes. He says "it kind of makes me want to drink beer
and have sex". Only he substitutes for that last.
Dick Burg
Plabovitz
they sell all their hi-cap Glock mags.....
Mike Fontenot
The Hoppe's #9 that I bought a year or so ago still
has the classic smell. The label just admits to
"kerosene". I suspect that that great smell we've
all loved all these years was...perfume!
Mike Fontenot
RDM1911A1
#Maybe we can swap recipes....
In the days of the wild color Martini rage,I perfected the perfect #9 Martini.
It requires just waving the bottle of Ed's Red over a perfect chilled shot of
#9....
Don't forget the twist.
Or for the Gibson lovers pearl onions apply!!!!!!!!!
Keith Whaley
OSHA pronounced BAD!
Like cancer causing sort of bad, in fact...
Keith Whaley - gunsmith/owner
WHALEY's Gunsmithing
Westchester, CA
Mike Fontenot wrote:
#
# The Hoppe's #9 that I bought a year or so ago still
# has the classic smell. The label just admits to
# "kerosene". I suspect that that great smell we've
# all loved all these years was...perfume!
Roger A Krupski
# want to clean your "barrel?" ;-)
Imagine Lois Lane and Superman. Now, imagine the size of the
exit wound! ;-)
Roger
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WVanhou237
<kei...@dslextreme.com> writes:
#
#Oh no, it wasn't just a 'perfumy' smell. It was some stuff the EPA and
#OSHA pronounced BAD!
#Like cancer causing sort of bad, in fact...
#
#
Somebody ought to explain to the EPA and OSHA that *living* is
bad for your health.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
Ken Marsh
Hatcher said the gov't analysed Hoppe's #9 between WWI and WWII and
determined it contained a number of things, including benzene. Organic
chemistry was to a point back then that benzene could be reliably
recognized. Benzene is a great organic solvent, but is also flammable
and toxic.
According to Hoppe's, their #9 formula has never changed. They also said
it does not now contain benzene. I've heard that some mid-aged (1960's?)
Hoppe's has benzene printed on the label, but I've not been able to
confirm this.
If anyone has an old bottle like this, I'll buy it, and post a digital
picture to the web. Anyone?
Ken.
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<snip>
#Imagine Lois Lane and Superman. Now, imagine the size of the
#exit wound! ;-)
#
#Roger
Larry Niven (Science Fiction writer) wrote a short essay on exactly
this topic, called "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"
Charlie
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older bottles of #9 were said to have benzene on the lable.>
Sure do! I have a pint bottle and the first ingredient named is nitro
benzene along with ammonia ,denatured ethanol and kerosene. Hope this
helps.
Jim
Brian P Burke
# news:afcd6r$dtp$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # I noticed the same thing myself. The "new" stuff doesn't smell nearly
as
# good...
# #
# # Jeff
# # ------------------------------------------------
#
# flavor I so savored as an afternoon aperitif.
About a tablespoon of #9 in a cup of Kikoman soy sauce makes a great
marinade.
Brian P Burke
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# In article <afti62$m19$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, Keith Whaley
# <kei...@dslextreme.com> writes:
#
# #
# #Oh no, it wasn't just a 'perfumy' smell. It was some stuff the EPA and
# #Like cancer causing sort of bad, in fact...
# #
# #
#
# Somebody ought to explain to the EPA and OSHA that *living* is
# Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Did they offer an alternative?
Lanimal
says...
# On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:30:36 +0000 (UTC), Keith Whaley
I find that RB-17 does a great job of both bore-cleaning and lubricating
other mechanical bits. Wheels for example, on my uncle Hoppy's chair.
Pete
Herman
What? they changed my aftershave???? Godamnit
MKer976346
kid has been cut back a notch or two...bummer! BUT..(and the jury is still out
on this)..it looks like it cuts the crud a little better than the old owners
formula.
Mike