Need ANY info on 193? Remington Model No. 8
HARLEYKIDS
I am looking for any info on a late 1930's Remington Model No. 8
Are they reliable? Are they accurate (iron sights)? I have heard that
they
are a "light brush gun". Round is large, a 200 grain 35 remington.
I guy I know has one in very good shape, with a "SKS-type" bolt action,
as well as a short, very heavy solid shroud barrel. I would assume that
the barrel shroud is just to add extra weight to the rifle, since the
rifle is fairly short (Small) and the round is pretty large. Basically, a
hunting gun with effective low bullet drop range of 150 yards and closer.
He is asking $350. Is this a good deal? I can't seem to find any others
for sale, in Shotgun News, etc. Are they of any collector's value? Do
they shoot well? How many were made? What is the price range for these?
Thanks alot. Jason email at harle...@aol.com
Alan K. Sumrall
ReminHARLEYKIDS wrote:
#
# I am looking for any info on a late 1930's Remington Model No. 8
# Are they reliable? Are they accurate (iron sights)? I have heard that
# they
# are a "light brush gun". Round is large, a 200 grain 35 remington.
# I guy I know has one in very good shape, with a "SKS-type" bolt action,
# as well as a short, very heavy solid shroud barrel. I would assume that
# the barrel shroud is just to add extra weight to the rifle, since the
# rifle is fairly short (Small) and the round is pretty large. Basically, a
# hunting gun with effective low bullet drop range of 150 yards and closer.
# He is asking $350. Is this a good deal? I can't seem to find any others
# for sale, in Shotgun News, etc. Are they of any collector's value? Do
# they shoot well? How many were made? What is the price range for these?
# Thanks alot. Jason email at harle...@aol.com
Remington Model 8A
Commercial rifle only
Made 1906-1936, Calibers 25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington. 5 shot
detachable(?) mag. Recoil operated, I think the the sleeve/shroud
protects the barrel that recoils back sort of like a Browning Auto 5
shotgun or a Johnson rifle. Don't think its really solid like the old
Turkish Mausers.
Is there spring in that tube? Don't know.
Replaced in 1936 by Remington 81A "Woodmaster" rifle but the .25 cal
dropped. 5 round mag non-detachable. Production ended in 1950.
Police/Prisons used the rifle a lot. Was featured in the "Carbine
Williams" movie as the semi-autos he was repairing in Prison.
Basically a close range deer hunting rifle--outdated for today but might
be fun for nostalgia's sake.
Info source: 1983 Gun Traders Guide (values are out of date but the
info is useful.
If in resonably good condition has some collectors value--value goes up
with condition. $350 seems fair unless its been reblued which kills
collector interest--then its just how bad you want to play with one.
I'm no expert on em, but they are pretty neat. I have always wanted one
and one of these days...
Byron D. Krohn
Alan K. Sumrall wrote:
#
# ReminHARLEYKIDS wrote:
# #
# # I am looking for any info on a late 1930's Remington Model No. 8
# # they
# # are a "light brush gun". Round is large, a 200 grain 35 remington.
# # I guy I know has one in very good shape, with a "SKS-type" bolt action,
# # as well as a short, very heavy solid shroud barrel. I would assume that
# # the barrel shroud is just to add extra weight to the rifle, since the
# # rifle is fairly short (Small) and the round is pretty large. Basically, a
# # hunting gun with effective low bullet drop range of 150 yards and closer.
# # He is asking $350. Is this a good deal? I can't seem to find any others
# # for sale, in Shotgun News, etc. Are they of any collector's value? Do
# # they shoot well? How many were made? What is the price range for these?
# # Thanks alot. Jason email at harle...@aol.com
#
# Remington Model 8A
# Commercial rifle only
# Made 1906-1936, Calibers 25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington. 5 shot
# detachable(?) mag. Recoil operated, I think the the sleeve/shroud
# protects the barrel that recoils back sort of like a Browning Auto 5
# shotgun or a Johnson rifle. Don't think its really solid like the old
# Turkish Mausers.
# Is there spring in that tube? Don't know.
#
# Replaced in 1936 by Remington 81A "Woodmaster" rifle but the .25 cal
# dropped. 5 round mag non-detachable. Production ended in 1950.
#
# Police/Prisons used the rifle a lot. Was featured in the "Carbine
# Williams" movie as the semi-autos he was repairing in Prison.
#
# Basically a close range deer hunting rifle--outdated for today but might
# be fun for nostalgia's sake.
# Info source: 1983 Gun Traders Guide (values are out of date but the
# info is useful.
#
# If in resonably good condition has some collectors value--value goes up
# with condition. $350 seems fair unless its been reblued which kills
# collector interest--then its just how bad you want to play with one.
#
# I'm no expert on em, but they are pretty neat. I have always wanted one
# and one of these days...
Just an aside: Ex-Ranger Frank Hamer used one, (in .35 Rem) in his
social encounter with Bonnie and Clyde. (Along with a Colts 1911)
Byron
pf...@ns.net
"Alan K. Sumrall" <a...@livingston.net> wrote:
#ReminHARLEYKIDS wrote:
##
## I am looking for any info on a late 1930's Remington Model No. 8
## Are they reliable? Are they accurate (iron sights)? I have heard that
## they
[snipped for brevity]
. Jason email at harle...@aol.com
#Remington Model 8A
#Commercial rifle only
#Made 1906-1936, Calibers 25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington. 5 shot
#detachable(?) mag. Recoil operated, I think the the sleeve/shroud
#protects the barrel that recoils back sort of like a Browning Auto 5
#shotgun or a Johnson rifle. Don't think its really solid like the old
#Turkish Mausers.
#Is there spring in that tube? Don't know.
#Replaced in 1936 by Remington 81A "Woodmaster" rifle but the .25 cal
#dropped. 5 round mag non-detachable. Production ended in 1950.
#Police/Prisons used the rifle a lot. Was featured in the "Carbine
#Williams" movie as the semi-autos he was repairing in Prison.
#Basically a close range deer hunting rifle--outdated for today but might
#be fun for nostalgia's sake.
#Info source: 1983 Gun Traders Guide (values are out of date but the
#info is useful.
#If in resonably good condition has some collectors value--value goes up
#with condition. $350 seems fair unless its been reblued which kills
#collector interest--then its just how bad you want to play with one.
#I'm no expert on em, but they are pretty neat. I have always wanted one
#and one of these days...
I picked up a 4-digit serial numbered Model 8 two years ago at a yard
sale, in .32 Remington, for $25.00-. It had a broken and amateur
checkered stock, as well as broken firing pin and little bluing
remaining. Fajen fitted a new walnut blank, Brownell's supplied the
firing pin, rebluing done by Hot Flash Refinishers. I did a
hand-rubbed linseed oil finish over dark walnut stain, the gun turned
out beautifully. I didn't want a collector vs. a shooter, so the
rebluing didn't bother me, since the original stock was already garfed
up. The gun is unique in that it doesn't have the external guide
spring leafs that go through the bottom of the receiver along the
magazine. It also has an original Lyman peep sight. With 170 grain
Speer .32 (.321 bore, not 8mm .323!) bullets ahead of 31 grains of IMR
4895, I can put all 5 rounds of a magazine full inside a swinging
steel chicken silhouette at 100 meters, offhand. Says a lot about John
Browning's designs, doesn't it? As you fire, you can almost feel all
the events in the firing sequence, with the 3-inch travel of the
barrel and bolt inside the barrel shroud and receiver. There are
actually two springs in the barrel shroud around the barrel. The gun
will occasionally throw hot brass down the back of your neck, as it
ejects out the top. .25 and .32 caliber Model 8's and 81's are the
hardest to keep fed, although not impossible. Remington still sells
30 Remington brass and ammo, although they only make it sporadically
throughout the production year. .30 Remington brass can be easily
formed into .25 or .32 Remington, dies are available from RCBS. All of
these rounds are simply rimless versions of the Winchester counterpart
based on the .30-30 family. I've even seen ammo for the .25 Remington
made from .30-30 Winchester with the rims turned down in a lathe, it
had the Old Western Scrounger label on the box. They are by no means
"hot" loads, no more powerful than their rimmed cousins. The .35
Remington, on the other hand, is a different breed, different rim and
case dimensions, etc. Ammo is still very much available, and it's
chambered by Marlin in some of their leverguns, as well as some older
bolt actions, too. They're probably the most desirable of the early
Remington autoloaders, save for those Model 81's chambered in .300
Savage. (wishing I had one...) Do be careful with the Model 8's, do
not dry-fire them, since they have no firing-pin rebound spring, which
was later remedied in the Model 81's. Many, many autoloaders, to
include the M1 Garand, M-14, SKS, FN-49, and Remington Model 8 did
just fine over the years without the rebound springs, but you gotta
keep 'em clean. There's a nice Model 8 in .35 Remington for sale in a
local gun shop for $249.95, but it's had a different recoil pad
installed. They're fun guns, weird looking, but I am using mine for
whitetail season at home in Wisconsin this fall, I feel that confident
with it. Hope this helps!
Darin R. Pfaff, Ssgt, USAF
Range Officer, Lincoln, CA
Gale Barrows
"Alan K. Sumrall" <a...@livingston.net> wrote:
#ReminHARLEYKIDS wrote:
##
## I am looking for any info on a late 1930's Remington Model No. 8
## Are they reliable? Are they accurate (iron sights)? I have heard that
## they
## are a "light brush gun". Round is large, a 200 grain 35 remington.
## I guy I know has one in very good shape, with a "SKS-type" bolt action,
## as well as a short, very heavy solid shroud barrel. I would assume that
## the barrel shroud is just to add extra weight to the rifle, since the
## rifle is fairly short (Small) and the round is pretty large. Basically, a
## hunting gun with effective low bullet drop range of 150 yards and closer.
## He is asking $350. Is this a good deal? I can't seem to find any others
## for sale, in Shotgun News, etc. Are they of any collector's value? Do
## they shoot well? How many were made? What is the price range for these?
## Thanks alot. Jason email at harle...@aol.com
#Remington Model 8A
#Commercial rifle only
#Made 1906-1936, Calibers 25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington. 5 shot
#detachable(?) mag. Recoil operated, I think the the sleeve/shroud
#protects the barrel that recoils back sort of like a Browning Auto 5
#shotgun or a Johnson rifle. Don't think its really solid like the old
#Turkish Mausers.
#Is there spring in that tube? Don't know.
#Replaced in 1936 by Remington 81A "Woodmaster" rifle but the .25 cal
#dropped. 5 round mag non-detachable. Production ended in 1950.
#Police/Prisons used the rifle a lot. Was featured in the "Carbine
#Williams" movie as the semi-autos he was repairing in Prison.
#Basically a close range deer hunting rifle--outdated for today but might
#be fun for nostalgia's sake.
#Info source: 1983 Gun Traders Guide (values are out of date but the
#info is useful.
#If in resonably good condition has some collectors value--value goes up
#with condition. $350 seems fair unless its been reblued which kills
#collector interest--then its just how bad you want to play with one.
#I'm no expert on em, but they are pretty neat. I have always wanted one
#and one of these days...
The Model 8 and 81 are almos exaclty like the Browning Auto-5,
Remington M11, and Savage semi-auto in function and design. The tube
around the barrel is simply light sheet metal (as was the tube on the
1888 Commission german rifle you refer to as the Turkish Mauser
(although Mauser did not participate in it's design). The tube was
needed to house the somewhat more powerful recoil spring than needed
with the shotgun. The Model 81 is the better choice as it has a wider
butt that helps with felt recoil and the wider forearm is easier to
grip. They are seen fairly often around here in .30 and .35 remington
calibers and seem tobe going for about $200-$250 for good shooter
grade guns. Unfortunately, they are a fairly heavy gun compared to
other semi-autos such as the current Remington design that has also
been offered in .35 Remington.
BTW- M14 clips work well for charging the magazine of the .35 rifles.
(yes they are cut for clip loading and no- that thing that sticks out
the bottom of an M14 is definitly not a clip !!!)