Danish? M1 Garand
G.S. Nicholls
I believe I have come into possession of an M1 Garand released from
stores in Denmark and imported into Canada. I acquired this unit from
Lever Arms in Vancouver,BC. Four of us went in together and got 4 rifles
for $600.00 Canadian Dollars including taxes and shipping. At $150.00
CDN each that's just around $90.00 USD. I understand through the
grapevine that Lever Arms got approximately 1,000 of these. I also have
heard that a dealer in Edmonton, AB (Milarm) bought up approximately 400
of these from Lever. Some of these 1,000 guns have new barrels, but I do
not know how many. Most of the guns have been Springfields, but I have
heard of the odd Winchester receiver. No mention of any others since
these were probably from WWII.
The original ad for these appeared in "The Canadian Access to Firearms"
newspaper (located in Whitehorse,YT...and they do have a web page) as
part of a full page (back page) ad from Lever Arms which I believe was
the September edition. The ad was for Beretta built M1s at $150.00 CDN
each or 4 for $500.00 CDN plus tax and shipping. Needless to say the 4
of us were more pleased to receive "original" M1s.
Now the marking details:
Receiver: blah,blah..."Springfield Armory 3003368".
On right side of receiver is "0" then a "D' then a "7" then "3B".
Underneath this is "D28291" followed by "34".
Bolt: "D-28287" then "BMB" stamped underneath in capital
letters. (Don't know what "BMB" stands for...curious). Stamped also on
the bolt (Centered horizontally read from right side) the number "4740".
Barrel: Marked on right side. A "crown" with letters "VAR" in caps
underneath. The top of the crown points to the front of the barrel. This
is followed by "D-6535446" then "5-66" then "306". After this is another
crown of different design (top of crown toward front of barrel) with the
letters "DK" underneath. Last mark is a "circle" with what appears to be
the letters "KOA" inside.
Op Rod: "6535382 SA"
Gas Plug: "P0" (explanation please)
Link to follower: Letters "PB"
Trigger Housing: On left side is "D26290-8SA"
Hammer: "PB-C.46008"
Safety: Letters "BMB"
Inside the fore end of the stock is a "sticky tag" that has the date
"MRS-1989", the serial number. Also "SK/ELLANDSKE PARKOMRADE".
"Kampviser H: 18 Klik." then "+/- 2 klik." The lower left corner of the
label has the letters "HMAK".
The barrel on this rifle appears to "New". The bolt appears used. All
other parts appear to be "New" or in "Like new" condition (New or
refinished?).
Is it Danish? I think so. I am also sending this post directly to
"Walt...the Ordinary Guy" for his input.
I am most curious to know about "BMB", "PB", "4740". I also note that 2
of the number markings begin with "6535...". Is there a connection?
I have acquired a Ram-Line stock to put this gun into. Has anyone else
done this? Please let me know. The Ram-Line appears to be a very tight
and secure fit. Have not fired this gun as yet.
As well I have another Garand acquired years ago with a "64XXXX" serial
number. It is an excellent "shooter" and is in the original "walnut".
Hope you find this one "interesting". Don't know if any of these are
available in the U.S. I don't think so because of "Lend-Lease" and other
"importation laws.
Regards,
G.S. Nicholls
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Mprubin516
#stores in Denmark and imported into Canada. I acquired this unit from
#Lever Arms in Vancouver,BC. Four of us went in together and got 4 rifles
#for $600.00 Canadian Dollars including taxes and
Is there any difficulity or customs restricitons on buying an M1 in Canada and
bringing it back into the US? I've been told its not possible to purchase one
and have it shipped in even with an FFL unless you have an importers license.
Also have heard that customs is specifically looking to stop all foreign M1s
from coming back into the Country.
Charles Winters
up to BC. I wonder if its possible for an American to buy one and bring
it back? Too much to ask for. - CW
G.S. Nicholls wrote:
#
# To those interested in M1 Garands:
#
# I believe I have come into possession of an M1 Garand released from
# stores in Denmark and imported into Canada. I acquired this unit from
# Lever Arms in Vancouver,BC. Four of us went in together and got 4 rifles
# for $600.00 Canadian Dollars including taxes and shipping. At $150.00
# CDN each that's just around $90.00 USD. I understand through the
# grapevine that Lever Arms got approximately 1,000 of these.
Ken Pisichko
# $90 US for an M1 rifle!!! I feel the need to hop in my car and scoot on
# up to BC. I wonder if its possible for an American to buy one and bring
# it back? Too much to ask for. - CW
#
Yes, too much to ask for. The US federal government has prohibited the
import of M1 rifles into the USA - even if they were once built there.
You fellows should know your laws. Come up to visit. However, a Canadian
cannot legally sell a firearm to anyone without one of our beloved FACs. I
do not know of many US citizens with one. Then even if you buy the M1 here
in Canada, you'll still have to get it across the border.
We are not talking about bringing a bottle of whiskey or a stash of drugs.
We are talking about bringing a big and heavy item across.
Do you want to face fines and jail? If you do, try to bring it across.
If not, forget that whole idea.
Mind you they are nice rifles. But then I live here in Canada - where
handgun mags over 10 rounds are banned and where semi-auto rifle mags over
5 rounds are banned too. And there is more of this silliness .....
Nah, it is better to get a M1 through the CMP route. You will have a piece
of history.
Ken Pisichko
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Mm7023
M1s from Canada included.
But it sure is tempting to have those $90 M1s so close, and yet so far.
arc...@yknet.yk.ca
"G.S. Nicholls" <5129...@3web.net> wrote:
# To those interested in M1 Garands:
#
# I believe I have come into possession of an M1 Garand released from
Springfields, but I have heard of the odd Winchester receiver.
# I am most curious to know about "BMB", "PB"
These are Italian mfgs Pietro Beretta, and BREDA Mechanica Bresica, you will
also find BMR for B M Roma. Both companies made Garands for the Danish
forces.
MJ
# Hope you find this one "interesting". Don't know if any of these are
# available in the U.S. I don't think so because of "Lend-Lease" and other
# "importation laws.
#
# Regards,
# G.S. Nicholls
#
If the receiver is Springfield or Winchester, or IHC... ie US made then the
rifle could be imported. The rifles with Beretta or BREDA marked on the
receiver cannot be legally imported into the US
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BUCKIAV8R
#up to BC. I wonder if its possible for an American to buy one and bring
#it back? Too much to ask for. -
Can a U.S. citizen even purchase one up there?
Mprubin516
#
#M1s from Canada included.
#
#
I don't believe the M1 is on the import ban. It doesn't have enough "evil"
features since it doesn't have a detachable mag, and is not specifically listed
on the no import list. US produced M1s are also on the C&R list, which doesn't
excuse an excluded weapon from import, but in the absence of being on the
Assult list, what prevents from bringing it in?
Since the Danish guns are US produced, is there another restriction on private
purchasers bringing them back? If I buy a bottle of Scotch in Canada, I am not
a spirits importer, I am bringing back an allowed customs free amount. Cuban
cigars can't be brought in since they are specifically excluded.
Is there something special about rifles that prevents their private purchase in
Canada and then return to US, even if those weapons are allowed for import by
Commercial dealers.
I have heard there are problems with importing US made weapons from lend lease
sales, since the Gov wants their original money back. But again, as a private
purchase of one single gun, you would not be an importer, just an individual
buying a product from our good neighbor from the north.
This whole situation seems so complex. But with M1s going for $100 up north,
it would be nice to figure out what is really allowed. Anyone out there
knowledgeable with customs regulations on gun purchases?
Rod Regier
# #$90 US for an M1 rifle!!! I feel the need to hop in my car and scoot on
# #up to BC. I wonder if its possible for an American to buy one and bring
# #it back? Too much to ask for. -
#
# Can a U.S. citizen even purchase one up there?
Only if you have a Canadian Firearms Acquisition Certificate.
Because of the fine distinction in Canadian law between
ownership and possession (control) of firearms,
you could do this:
Find a helpful Canadian resident with an FAC.
You pay for the firearm (becoming the owner), the FAC holder signs for it.
You and the FAC holder travel to the border.
Once at the border, the FAC holder releases the firearm
to you to clear thru US Customs.
Since you have not had sole possession (control) of a newly acquired
firearm on Canadian soil, Canadian law has been complied with.
If you are travelling by air, the FAC holder checks the firearm
into the air carrier bagagge counter while you're checking in.
This would be fine for a non-restricted firearm, which presently
includes Garands.
The situation will eventually change if/when the export
sections of the new Canadian Firearms Act (Bill C-68)
come into effect.
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There's also the not so small problem that BATF is *not*
issuing import permits to permit return of US mfgr Garands
(or most other semi-auto military small arms).
Ordinary_Guy
At 04:20 AM 11/13/98 -0700, G.S. Nicholls wrote:
#To those interested in M1 Garands:
#
#I believe I have come into possession of an M1 Garand released from
#stores in Denmark and imported into Canada. I acquired this unit from
#Lever Arms in Vancouver,BC. Four of us went in together and got 4 rifles
#for $600.00 Canadian Dollars including taxes and shipping. At $150.00
#CDN each that's just around $90.00 USD. I understand through the
#grapevine that Lever Arms got approximately 1,000 of these. I also have
#heard that a dealer in Edmonton, AB (Milarm) bought up approximately 400
#of these from Lever. Some of these 1,000 guns have new barrels, but I do
#not know how many. Most of the guns have been Springfields, but I have
#heard of the odd Winchester receiver. No mention of any others since
#these were probably from WWII.
That is correct.
#The original ad for these appeared in "The Canadian Access to Firearms"
#newspaper (located in Whitehorse,YT...and they do have a web page) as
What's the URL? I'll put them on "Collectors Corner" or "Community
Corner," whichever better stuits.
#part of a full page (back page) ad from Lever Arms which I believe was
#the September edition. The ad was for Beretta built M1s at $150.00 CDN
#each or 4 for $500.00 CDN plus tax and shipping. Needless to say the 4
#of us were more pleased to receive "original" M1s.
In '96 I attempted to import to the US from Districorp in Canada, one
each Beretta M1 and Breda M1. Permission was denied.
#Now the marking details:
#
#Receiver: blah,blah..."Springfield Armory 3003368".
July '44.
#On right side of receiver is "0" then a "D' then a "7" then "3B".
#Underneath this is "D28291" followed by "34".
Look a bit more closely at that heat lot code. S/N 3 million was B 29
D, 3192629 was B 31 C, and 2720806 was A14. I would expect B 33 B, or
B 23 B, even, assuming the accuracy of the "3B"... there will also be
inspection stamps and forge die codes whose meaning is lost in
history. The drawing & rev no (34) are the expected for this S/N.
See Scott Duff's FAQ for explanations of these terms.
#
#Bolt: "D-28287" then "BMB" stamped underneath in capital
The engineering drawing number for the M1 bolt in WWII format ("D" is
for a D-size drawing), then the mfrs code, BMB. BMB = Breda
Meccannica Brescia. Breda is a large industrial concern that has made
everything from shotguns to the interurban light railcars used on the
Shaker Heights lines of the
#letters. (Don't know what "BMB" stands for...curious). Stamped also on
#the bolt (Centered horizontally read from right side) the number "4740".
The last four digits of the rifle that this bolt was originally in.
#Barrel: Marked on right side. A "crown" with letters "VAR" in caps
#underneath. The top of the crown points to the front of the barrel. This
#is followed by "D-6535446" then "5-66" then "306". After this is another
#crown of different design (top of crown toward front of barrel) with the
#letters "DK" underneath. Last mark is a "circle" with what appears to be
The first letter is Danish for "Danish," and the K is for "King-ish"
or "Royal" or somesuch. Kingdom of Denmark?
#the letters "KOA" inside.
Royal something or other dealing with ordnance inspection, I suspect
#Op Rod: "6535382 SA"
The engineering drawing number for the M1 op rod, in 1950's format.
Thus mfrd by Springfield Armory in the '50's.
#Gas Plug: "P0" (explanation please)
P(oppet) Valve type, for grenade launcher compatibility, mfrd by the
(Henry) O(wens) (Co.).
#Link to follower: Letters "PB"
Pietro Beretta...
#Trigger Housing: On left side is "D26290-8SA"
Again, the drawing number, revision 8 by Springfield. Revision 8 ran
from Sept '42 to Feb '43.
#Hammer: "PB-C.46008"
Beretta, again, C-size drawing, drawing no. 46008, the drawing for the
M1 hammer. This is in Beretta (European) format; note the full stop
between the "C" and the balance of the number.
#Safety: Letters "BMB"
As above.
#Inside the fore end of the stock is a "sticky tag" that has the date
#"MRS-1989", the serial number. Also "SK/ELLANDSKE PARKOMRADE".
My Danish fails be.
#"Kampviser H: 18 Klik." then "+/- 2 klik." The lower left corner of the
Kampviser = Battle Sight. For this soldier, his battlesight setting
(300 yards) is 18 cliks of the elevation knob up. Normally the other
"click" would be the windage, but I'm not sure how to interpret +/- 2
clicks, unless that's an error band.
#label has the letters "HMAK".
That's another Danish acronym having to do with armies & war and etc.
#The barrel on this rifle appears to "New". The bolt appears used. All
#other parts appear to be "New" or in "Like new" condition (New or
#refinished?).
#
#Is it Danish? I think so. I am also sending this post directly to
#"Walt...the Ordinary Guy" for his input.
Yup, as Danish as your breakfast pastry.
#I am most curious to know about "BMB", "PB", "4740". I also note that 2
#of the number markings begin with "6535...". Is there a connection?
You've got the meanings... Beretta was given Winchester's M1 tooling
after WWII, and mfrd parts & complete rifles (a bunch of Italian-mfrd
Garands have shown up in Canada, both Beretta--PB--and Breda. BTW BMR
is Breda Meccanica Romana, another Breda division. Brescia and Rome
are both cities in Italy, but you knew that!). Beretta also rebuilt
rifles such as this one, for Denmark and others. They offered a
staggering variety of Garand variations on the military sales market.
A small sample may be seen at:
http://www.fulton-armory.com/BerettaModelsBW.JPG
#I have acquired a Ram-Line stock to put this gun into. Has anyone else
#done this? Please let me know. The Ram-Line appears to be a very tight
#and secure fit. Have not fired this gun as yet.
#
#As well I have another Garand acquired years ago with a "64XXXX" serial
#number. It is an excellent "shooter" and is in the original "walnut".
#
#Hope you find this one "interesting". Don't know if any of these are
#available in the U.S. I don't think so because of "Lend-Lease" and other
#"importation laws.
Yes, it is very interesting indeed. Thank you for sharing it with us!
#Regards,
#G.S. Nicholls
Best regards,
Walt
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Ordinary_Guy
##I think the import ban goes for *all* imported semi-auto rifles.
##
##M1s from Canada included.
##
##
#
#I don't believe the M1 is on the import ban. It doesn't have enough "evil"
#features since it doesn't have a detachable mag, and is not specifically listed
#on the no import list. US produced M1s are also on the C&R list, which doesn't
It's a military semiauto, and therefore banned, C&R or not.
Ordinary_Guy
#If the receiver is Springfield or Winchester, or IHC... ie US made then the
#rifle could be imported.
Nope, sorry.
The Coward-in-Chief unlawfully yanked all the import certificates.
doug_...@my-dejanews.com
wjku...@pipeline.com (Ordinary_Guy) wrote:
# Hi, G.S.,
#
# At 04:20 AM 11/13/98 -0700, G.S. Nicholls wrote:
#
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#
# #Inside the fore end of the stock is a "sticky tag" that has the date
# #"MRS-1989", the serial number. Also "SK/ELLANDSKE PARKOMRADE".
#
# My Danish fails be.
#
My Danish bride tells me that this is likely "SJAELLANDSKE PARKOMRADE" where
the "AE" is really one letter. The right leg of the A is the same line as the
vertical line of the E. Are you sure it's a "SK" and not "SJ"?
Oh well Getting back on track ... it is translated to "Sjaelland Park".
Sjaelland is a Danish island and sounds to me like it is pronounced
"shelland", but with a very short "e".
Doug
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