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litz603
Oct 2, 2004, 8:28:36 PM10/2/04
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Hello,
I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
here.
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Rick Courtright
Oct 3, 2004, 8:38:54 PM10/3/04
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litz603 wrote:
# I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
# load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
#From the FAQs at www.hr1871.com:
13.How do I get an owner's manual?
Write or Call:
H&R 1871, LLC
60 Industrial Rowe
Gardner, MA 01440
Tel. 978-630-8220
HTH,
Rick
michaelb
Oct 5, 2004, 7:00:41 AM10/5/04
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lit...@metrocast.net (litz603) wrote:
# I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
# load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
# have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned.
What problem with the breechplug? I ran one for a few years back in
the 1970's and had no troubles. The knock out plug made cleaning a
lot more convenient than the threaded plugs. Good hunting!
stevel...@gmail.com
Jul 23, 2016, 5:15:10 AM7/23/16
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On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
# Hello,
#
# I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
# load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
# have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
# load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
# standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
# energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
# NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
# here.
i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
# Hello,
#
# I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
# load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
# have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
# load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
# standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
# energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
# NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
# here.
i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
Gunner Asch
Jul 23, 2016, 7:09:50 AM7/23/16
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
wrote:
#On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
## Hello,
##
## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
## here.
#
#i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
yrs without any issues.
wrote:
#On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
## Hello,
##
## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
## here.
#
#i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
yrs without any issues.
Steve W.
Jul 23, 2016, 7:03:19 PM7/23/16
to
Gunner Asch wrote:
# On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
# wrote:
#
# #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
# ## Hello,
# ##
# ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
# ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
# ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
# ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
# ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
# ## here.
# #
# What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
# yrs without any issues.
#
The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
--
Steve W.
# On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
# wrote:
#
# #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
# ## Hello,
# ##
# ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
# ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
# ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
# ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
# ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
# ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
# ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
# ## here.
# #
# #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
#
# What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
# yrs without any issues.
#
The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
--
Steve W.
Gunner Asch
Jul 24, 2016, 6:01:49 AM7/24/16
to
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "Steve W."
<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#Gunner Asch wrote:
## On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
## wrote:
##
## #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
## ## Hello,
## ##
## ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
## ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
## ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
## ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
## ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
## ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
## ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
## ## here.
## #
## #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
##
## What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
## yrs without any issues.
##
#
#The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
#it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
#breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
#trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
#a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
#threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
Hummm...I cant remember if mine is threaded or pressed in. Ive not
fiddled with it in 5-8 yrs. Ill dig it out and check. Thanks!
Gunner
<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#Gunner Asch wrote:
## On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
## wrote:
##
## #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
## ## Hello,
## ##
## ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
## ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
## ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
## ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
## ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
## ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
## ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
## ## here.
## #
## #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
##
## What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
## yrs without any issues.
##
#
#The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
#it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
#breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
#trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
#a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
#threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
Hummm...I cant remember if mine is threaded or pressed in. Ive not
fiddled with it in 5-8 yrs. Ill dig it out and check. Thanks!
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Jul 24, 2016, 8:01:30 PM7/24/16
to
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:01:46 +0000 (UTC), Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "Steve W."
#<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#
##Gunner Asch wrote:
### On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
### wrote:
###
### #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
### ## Hello,
### ##
### ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
### ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
### ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
### ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
### ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
### ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
### ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
### ## here.
### #
### #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
###
### What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
### yrs without any issues.
###
##
##The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
##it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
##breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
##trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
##a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
##threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
#
#Hummm...I cant remember if mine is threaded or pressed in. Ive not
#fiddled with it in 5-8 yrs. Ill dig it out and check. Thanks!
#
#Gunner
Mine has (2) holes 180' apart..so Im assuming its a screw-in.
Sigh..Ive got Kroil in the barrel working on busting it loose. I dont
have/cant find (Im sure I had one) the proper wrench, so Ill be
making one on the lathe later today, using a pair of proper dowel pins
and wrench flats and a decent sized hole for a rod to unscrew it.
And mine is 45 caliber..not the .44 I remembered. Too many guns in the
vaults..and I never would have expected to ever say that.....(VBG)
If anyone needs any photos of the breech/plug etc..for any reason..I
can do extreme close-up digital photos.
Hey! Just found the wrench! Had a sudden thought and checked one of
the (unmarked..gotta fix that) bags hanging in my shop..and there it
is! Yay!!
The wrench pulled out that stainless steel plug with only a tiny
"huh!". So It is indeed threaded..and I put it up clean..whew!!
Thanks for bringing this up!!
Gunner
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "Steve W."
#<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#
##Gunner Asch wrote:
### On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
### wrote:
###
### #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
### ## Hello,
### ##
### ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
### ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
### ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
### ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
### ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
### ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
### ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
### ## here.
### #
### #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
###
### What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
### yrs without any issues.
###
##
##The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
##it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
##breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
##trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
##a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
##threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
#
#Hummm...I cant remember if mine is threaded or pressed in. Ive not
#fiddled with it in 5-8 yrs. Ill dig it out and check. Thanks!
#
#Gunner
Mine has (2) holes 180' apart..so Im assuming its a screw-in.
Sigh..Ive got Kroil in the barrel working on busting it loose. I dont
have/cant find (Im sure I had one) the proper wrench, so Ill be
making one on the lathe later today, using a pair of proper dowel pins
and wrench flats and a decent sized hole for a rod to unscrew it.
And mine is 45 caliber..not the .44 I remembered. Too many guns in the
vaults..and I never would have expected to ever say that.....(VBG)
If anyone needs any photos of the breech/plug etc..for any reason..I
can do extreme close-up digital photos.
Hey! Just found the wrench! Had a sudden thought and checked one of
the (unmarked..gotta fix that) bags hanging in my shop..and there it
is! Yay!!
The wrench pulled out that stainless steel plug with only a tiny
"huh!". So It is indeed threaded..and I put it up clean..whew!!
Thanks for bringing this up!!
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Jul 24, 2016, 8:01:31 PM7/24/16
to
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:01:46 +0000 (UTC), Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "Steve W."
#<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#
##Gunner Asch wrote:
### On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
### wrote:
###
### #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
### ## Hello,
### ##
### ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
### ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
### ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
### ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
### ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
### ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
### ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
### ## here.
### #
### #i shot one for years 75 grains fff black power for round balls 110 for 505 grain minne balls
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "Steve W."
#<csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
#
##Gunner Asch wrote:
### On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), stevel...@gmail.com
### wrote:
###
### #On Saturday, October 2, 2004 at 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, litz603 wrote:
### ## Hello,
### ##
### ## I just picked up a .58 caliber H & R Huntsman muzzle loader and need
### ## load sata for it. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BREECH PLUG. I
### ## have access to a maching shop and will have it pinned. I just need
### ## load data. What I find interesting about this gun is that whith a
### ## standard load the projectile is just about subsonic whith plenty of
### ## energy to take a deer within the ranges most deer are seen up here in
### ## NH. A fairly quiet gun would be usful in some situations I hunt in up
### ## here.
### #
###
### What breech problem with the plug? Ive shot a 44 cal Huntsman for 25+
### yrs without any issues.
###
##
##The original run of the .58 has a pressed in breech plug, you can drive
### yrs without any issues.
###
##
##it out from the muzzle. If you ram the ball or cleaning rod to hard the
##breech plug gets knocked back and can come out when you pull the
##trigger. H&R actually offered to weld them in, or they would pay to have
##a smith do the work. Pinning will work but I prefer to have the breech
##threaded and a new plug made. That allows you to remove it if needed.
#
#Hummm...I cant remember if mine is threaded or pressed in. Ive not
#fiddled with it in 5-8 yrs. Ill dig it out and check. Thanks!
#
#Gunner
Oh..one thing I do remember..the factory ramrod..that telescoping
piece of crap....anyone have any easy fixes to make them work properly
without folding up? Now I remember having to carry a second ramrod
with me to load it. (accurate as hell..but a pain to need a second
ramrod)
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