AR Aftermarket Triggers

[pc_whocares]

I've a line on some complete KD complete lowers. They have either a
High Standard or Double Star trigger group.

I'm having trouble finding information on either. The only review of
a HS AR noted that the trigger was 'average.'

Any inputs?

tx

mac

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[Robert Scott]

"pc_whocares" <pc_wh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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# I've a line on some complete KD complete lowers. They have either a
# High Standard or Double Star trigger group.
#
# I'm having trouble finding information on either. The only review of
# a HS AR noted that the trigger was 'average.'
#
# Any inputs?

I have read poor reviews of the Double Star trigger parts but haven't heard
anything on the High Standard. My experience with Colt, Stag Arms and CPMS
triggers are the same: "average" (at best). I have a feeling all the
standard grade triggers are pretty much the same. If you're picky about
your trigger pull or expect to be trying to extract maximum accuracy from
your rifle, you will probably want to upgrade to a better trigger.

You can get a Rock River Arms National Match two-stage trigger kit for $120,
or a really sweet Geissele for $280, or a Jewell for $175, or a Chip
McCormick for $250 or Timneys from $180-$240....

Good shooting,
desmobob

[Louis Boyd]

pc_whocares wrote:
# I've a line on some complete KD complete lowers. They have either a
# High Standard or Double Star trigger group.
#
# I'm having trouble finding information on either. The only review of
# a HS AR noted that the trigger was 'average.'
#
# Any inputs?
#
Not specifically that lower, but if an AR-15's advertising doesn't
specifically discuss it's fine trigger you can be pretty certain it's a
standard mil-spec trigger group. Expect it to be a single stage
trigger with some noticeable creep, a 6+ pound release, an 1/8" or more
of over travel and a 15 millisecond lock time. A good after market
trigger can be one or two stage but it will have no noticeable creep, a
4 pound (or less for a target rifle) release, no noticeable over
travel, and a lock time under 10 milliseconds. It may or may not be
adjustable. Expect to spend well over $100 for a good trigger assembly.

I would read "average" as a standard mil-spec trigger. The best things
about a mil-spec trigger are that they're inexpensive and reliable.
Just having a light release doesn't make a trigger good. Reliability is
always the #1 priority.

[Doug White]

What he said...

The reason there are a dozen or so aftermarket triggers for the AR is
that the standard design can only be so good (if you are lucky). I have
3 AR's set up for target shooting, and although the original trigger on
my Colt was pretty good for a service rifle, putting in a Jewell made a
huge difference. The other two AR's were built from scratch, with a 2nd
Jewell in one & a Geissele in the other. My wife shoots the Jewell
because she has small hands and the length of pull is shorter than the
Geissele.

Doug White

[sta...@prolynx.com]

On Nov 20, 9:16�pm, pc_whocares <pc_whoca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# I've a line on some complete KD complete lowers. They have either a
# High Standard or Double Star trigger group.
#
# I'm having trouble finding information on either. �The only review of

# a HS AR noted that the trigger was 'average.'
#
# Any inputs?
#

# tx
#
# mac
#
Unless it specifically mentions otherwise and names brands, assume
it's got military style(not necessarily mil-spec) trigger components
in there. And unless you have it worked on, it's probably going to be
5-7 lbs or so and creepy. If it's got a match trigger group, it's
going to say so and they'll name names. Jewell is one of the names,
there are others. Expect to pay at least $100 more for a worked over
military trigger, more like $200 + for one of the names. It's fairly
easy to work on an AR lower and get a pretty clean pull, you aren't
going to reduce it a whole lot and stay with the military geometry,
though.

Stan

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[dan]

I've got a jewell trigger, it's a really nice trigger for a target rifle.
However, when I first installed it I had to remove my firing pin and clean
it, as well as the bolt (for the first time) because primers were not firing
when struck. It was my own fault. I have since made bolt/carrier
disassembly part of my standard cleaning procedure and have never had a
single misfire since then. I mention this because if you are really bent on
reliability, the mil spec trigger group IS more reliable in possible
scenarios when a rifle gets filthy. I am not so concerned with this
however, I chose a jewell trigger because I wanted accuracy and wanted to
try what others say is the best 2 stage target trigger available. I have no
regrets.

--Dan

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[Doug White]

"dan" <dan...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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# I've got a jewell trigger, it's a really nice trigger for a target
# rifle. However, when I first installed it I had to remove my firing
# pin and clean it, as well as the bolt (for the first time) because
# primers were not firing when struck. It was my own fault. I have
# since made bolt/carrier disassembly part of my standard cleaning
# procedure and have never had a single misfire since then. I mention
# this because if you are really bent on reliability, the mil spec
# trigger group IS more reliable in possible scenarios when a rifle gets
# filthy. I am not so concerned with this however, I chose a jewell
# trigger because I wanted accuracy and wanted to try what others say is
# the best 2 stage target trigger available. I have no regrets.

Jewell makes their own hammer springs, and I think they can take a "set"
if the rifle is stored with the action cocked. My wife's target rifle
was stored with the bolt open for about 10 months, and it suddenly
started having occasional misfires. I put in a new spring & it's been
fine.

They are great for target shooting, but I would have to think twice
before using a Jewell trigger in a combat rifle.

Doug White