.22 adequate for Coyotes?
Pistol_Pete
been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
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# I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't helping
# the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot at coyotes
# with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go coyote
# hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a . 22
# rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
There is a brand which instead of having a hollow point is
somehow designed to break into three. I've heard it claimed those would
take a coyote, but haven't tried it.
I do that a coup de grace head shot point blank with a pistol to
a gray squirrel once gave impressive results; I figured out afterward
(from the brass) that I had used one of those triple-shock things.
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> ...
If you can hit squirrels high in a tree with the .22 then there is no
reason that you cannot make a clean kill on a coyote with a .22. That
certainly would not be my caliber of choice but if one wanders by in
range and that is all you have, go for it.
Don
ralleyrat
# I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? �(Within range, of course) �I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
#
I wouldn't recommend it at all, but ...
if you're going to shoot a coyote with a .22 R.F. at least use a
solid,
and be real careful about shot placement.
BRUCE
lucky.
Get something bigger or leave them be
Alex Cunningham
#"Pistol_Pete" <Pisto...@inbox.com> wrote:
#I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
#
#
#
You would be better off with a 22-250.
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#I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
#
We have a lot of coyotes around here, so I've seen them up close -- pretty
friendly actually. Just taking a guess here: yes, but only if you hit them
in the right spot. I would just leave them alone.
Long Ranger
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#I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
I have killed coyotes with .22s. Inside of 75 yards, and especially with the
CCI Velocitor round. If you have a good shot, and it's close enough, go for
it. Be sure to use a full sized 40 grain slug. Not the light and fast
hyper-velocity cartridges.
Don Bruder
Pistol_Pete <Pisto...@inbox.com> wrote:
# I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
In years gone by, I've seen deer taken with a single properly placed .22
shot (I suspect that what I saw wasn't quite legal, mind you, but it's
something that I've seen happen) Which makes me think that it wouldn't
be all that much less effective on a 'yote. Put it in the right place,
and Mr. 'Yote falls over. It ain't likely to be the "red mist" thing
that you get with the warp 14 rounds that the varminters cook up, but...
<shrug> dead 'yote is dead 'yote, with or without red mist :)
I know that in at least some places, coyotes are "open season, any time,
anywhere safe, by any method that works" targets (might even still be a
state or two that has a bounty on the hides) but I'd advise checking to
make sure you can legally pop 'em (and/or what, if any, restrictions
there may be on the how, when, how many, etc) where you are before you
actually start.
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they run off. But if you do not mind that, go for it.
Vito
Bluehawk99
the brain at close range!
Coyotes have a bad habit of getting right back up after being shot and
I shot one with a Sierra 60 grain 6mm HP at 3,600 fps right in the
breastplate and all it did was knock him onto his back and he got
right back up and disappeared into the high mountain brush! Distance
was approx. 150 yards.
Another time I hit one four times with an SKS with FMJ at about 50
yards and he went down and got right back up every time! Shot
placement was good for the first two and one round even nicked his
rear spine paralyizing his rear legs so he simply dragged his hind
quarters along until a brain shot put him down!
They are tenacious animals who do NOT like to go down and stay
down....not here in So. California that is...yer coyote mileage may
vary in other parts.
Find another caliber to shoot them with!
John Ammeter
with a .17 HMR.... one shot, dead coyote... Of course, I was within 50
yards and put the crosshairs just under the ear. The coyote went down
instantly.
If you gut shoot a coyote with a .22 rimfire you'll have a coyote that
will run off and die a miserable death but if you limit yourself to only
well placed shots then go for it.
John
Don Lampson
A .22 LR is not adequate for killing coyotes, unless you don't care
if it takes the coyote several days to die?
A one shot kill can be done using a .22, by a highly skilled crack
shot, who never misses the exact mark, but very, very, few people
are that good, and coyotes are really tough critters!
I wounded a coyote years ago using a .270! It took me almost an hour
to find and kill the damn thing!! Just one "oops?" can mean hours of
suffering for an animal shot by an over excited shooter..........
Why do you feel the calling to preserve ground squirrels by shooting
coyotes?
I could understand defending your henhouse, etc,, but ground
squirrels are what coyotes are supposed to eat? Don't you believe
evolution knows what it's doing?
Your calling as a vigilante for ground squirrels is certainly
misguided and / or downright strange, at best?
DO NOT SHOOT COYOTES with a .22 LR!
Don
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> ...
If you can keep it on a squirrel's head you could do a yote with a
head shot. As far as drooping them dead it their track I like the
7.63 x 39 with 123 gr soft points it drops them in their tracks.
TimR
than a .22 LR.
However shot placement is critical. Head shots don't work - you need
to do brain shots, and the brain might not be where you think (easy to
shoot under it).
I imagine a body shot on a yote might kill him eventually but I doubt
you'd recover him. I'd use a brain shot, and if he was too far enough
to be sure of that, then pass on the shot.
IGot2P
> ...
Where did you get the idea that the OP was talking about ground squirrels?
edi...@netpath.net
# You would be better off with a 22-250.
.22 Hornet if it has to be on low end for noise, .22 Magnum at
minimum.
Long Ranger
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Snip
# I shot one with a Sierra 60 grain 6mm HP at 3,600 fps right in the
# breastplate and all it did was knock him onto his back and he got
# right back up and disappeared into the high mountain brush! Distance
# was approx. 150 yards.
Interesting. The first coyote I shot with my .223 survived a 40 gr Sierra
Blitzking both on the chest, and on the back of the skull as he ran off. The
chest shot, which was within 50 yards, merely peeled meat and hide off the
breast bone. The shot to the back of the head peeled the scalp, but didn't
penetrate the brain. It did put him down long enough for me to catch up and
put him out with a soft-point at close range. I have since seen similar
things with cartridges up to and including the .243 WSSM. Therefore, I use a
round with more penetrating ability for what is essentially the "big game"
of the varmint world. On that note, I will reiterate my statement that the
CCI Velocitor is a very plausible coyote round at close range. I have
personally put one clear through a coyote's rib cage at about 60 yards. He
didn't make it 10 feet after that. I've also shot a couple with
garden-variety solids, one being the Remingto Golden LR. It worked too, but
not as well. The key is having them close, and good shot placement.
Dillon Pyron
> ...
"Friendly" has bad conotations around here. As in "rabid". Rabid
coyotes have lost their inate cautiousness of man.
When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always carry
a firearm. Usually a 9mm lever action. After "the encounter" we'd
call the sheriff, who would inevitably call back with "it's rabid, any
bite?" Rabies is endemic in Tejas.
Larry Caldwell
Bruder) says...
# I know that in at least some places, coyotes are "open season, any time,
# anywhere safe, by any method that works" targets (might even still be a
# state or two that has a bounty on the hides)
More than a few states have bountys on coyote. They need constant
eradication efforts to keep their number in check. In the West, they
have nearly wiped out sheep ranching. One of their favorite meals is
newborn lamb. Killing a coyote is a favor to everyone.
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coyotes with my .22. And I was talking about hunting TREE sauirrels,
not ground squirrels. The reason I'm hunting squirrels is there are no
rabbits around any more, since the 'yotes moved in. Yes, boys and
girls, Wile E. ate Thumper!
Thanks for all your answers
Don Lampson
I figured the OP was talking about ground squirrels, because any
coyote trying to survive on tree squirrels would be the critter needing
help from the "vigilante wildlife manager" with his .22 rifle?
HawHawHaw!
Do you think any kind of squirrels need protecting from coyotes by
someone wandering around with a .22 LR?
Don
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# Don Lampson wrote:
# > ...
#
# Where did you get the idea that the OP was talking about ground squirrels?
#
Squirrels, ground squirrels, whatever. Same philosophical point I guess.
Maybe he considers any squirrel that has come down from the tree a ground
squirrel. Then, after you shoot a bunch of them and make sausage meat out
of them they are "ground" squirrel. Arr Arr. Earth Humor. LOL
Tom S.
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# # Don Lampson wrote:
# # > ...
# #
# # Where did you get the idea that the OP was talking about ground squirrels?
#
# Squirrels, ground squirrels, whatever. Same philosophical point I guess.
# squirrel. Then, after you shoot a bunch of them and make sausage meat out
# of them they are "ground" squirrel. Arr Arr. Earth Humor. LOL
*GROAN!*
Petey
#
# When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always carry
# a firearm. Usually a 9mm lever action.
Ah, one of those "Resident Evil: Extinction" models, I presume? ;-)
Bluehawk99
"When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always
9mm lever action??
That's a new one on me...can't help but wonder who made that???
Don Bruder
Larry Caldwell <firstnamel...@peaksky.com> wrote:
# In article <hdd86t$i0b$1...@news.albasani.net>, dak...@sonic.net (Don
# Bruder) says...
#
# # I know that in at least some places, coyotes are "open season, any time,
# # anywhere safe, by any method that works" targets (might even still be a
# # state or two that has a bounty on the hides)
#
# More than a few states have bountys on coyote. They need constant
# eradication efforts to keep their number in check. In the West, they
# have nearly wiped out sheep ranching. One of their favorite meals is
# newborn lamb. Killing a coyote is a favor to everyone.
True enough, on all counts, but as far as I'm aware, we don't know where
the OP hails from - I've got this sneaking suspicion that "The outskirts
of L.A.", or similar places, are unlikely to welcome anybody shooting
their "cute little coyotes", favor or no!
When I was working back in Phoenix, years ago, I'd go out to the main
pasture to round up the horses for the morning feed/start the day
routine, and normally, I'd see anywhere from 4-5 to a couple dozen
coyotes following the horses around waiting for them to flush a packrat,
mouse, or similar tidbit out of the tufts of grass. Never once saw one
of them doing something as stupid as messing with the horses, and
because of that, we pretty much left 'em alone. Then again, had there
been any sign that the 'yotes were harassing the horses, there would
have been a dozen or so people on the property (myself included) who
would have had *ZERO* concern for "clean kill", so long as the
harassment ceased. Wouldn't have much mattered if that meant a head shot
from a .30-30, a gut shot from a .22, or whatever else worked.
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# In article <hdd86t$i0b$1...@news.albasani.net>, dak...@sonic.net (Don
# Bruder) says...
#
# # anywhere safe, by any method that works" targets (might even still be a
# # state or two that has a bounty on the hides)
#
# More than a few states have bountys on coyote. They need constant
# eradication efforts to keep their number in check. In the West, they
# have nearly wiped out sheep ranching. One of their favorite meals is
# newborn lamb. Killing a coyote is a favor to everyone.
#
Depends. A friend of mine's got 1300 acres he leases to hunters. A
couple of years ago, his hunters got bored and decided to do him the
favor of killing as many coyotes as they could. He reckons there's more
than 800 feral hogs on the place now. The coyotes had been keeping them
in check.
-Raf
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Larry Caldwell
(Bluehawk99) says...
# Dillon Pyron wrote:
# "When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always
# carry a firearm. �Usually a 9mm lever action. "
#
# 9mm lever action??
# That's a new one on me...can't help but wonder who made that???
Marlin has chambered the 336 for several popular handgun cartridges. I
have seen .357 and .44 magnum in local stores. Maybe they have done 9mm
too.
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> ...
Could be, but I'd understood the predator prey relationship a little
different, based on what the biologist at work tells me.
He says predators normally don't limit prey populations, but expand
their numbers to follow them, and crash with them. The predator does
keep the prey more healthy by killing the weaker and slower ones.
Prey numbers are more controlled by food resources than presence of
predators.
Gray Ghost
@news.albasani.net:
# I like to hunt squirrels with a .22. Lately, the coyote population has
# been increasing around here, and of course they probably aren't
# helping the squirrels. Would it be a good idea or a bad idea to shoot
# at coyotes with a .22? (Within range, of course) I don't plan to go
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
The 4 legged kind or the human smuggling kind? The latter could be dispatched
by a .22 up close, preferably to the back of the head, but a more powerful
caliber at longer range would be preferred.
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Larry Caldwell
(Misifus) says...
# Depends. A friend of mine's got 1300 acres he leases to hunters. A
# couple of years ago, his hunters got bored and decided to do him the
# favor of killing as many coyotes as they could. He reckons there's more
# than 800 feral hogs on the place now. The coyotes had been keeping them
# in check.
I doubt the relationship is that direct. Any coyote with half a brain
would give a feral hog a wide berth. It may be that the coyotes were
keeping ground rodents in check, and the hogs moved in to take advantage
of the food source.
As a comment, 800 hogs on only 1300 acres packs them pretty tight.
Those hogs must be pretty hungry. He should set up slop troughs and
chutes and go into the free range pork business. Pen them up, finish
them for a couple weeks on corn to clean up the flavor, and sell them at
a premium to the health conscious consumer. 800 hogs are serious money.
After shooting feral goats for 20 years, a neighbor finally accustomed
them to coming to grain and shipped 200 of them to the auction two weeks
before Passover. It solved his goat problem, and put $6000 in his
pocket. There's a lot more meat on a hog.
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# In article <hdij4n$3nd$1...@news.albasani.net>, blueh...@aol.com
# (Bluehawk99) says...
# # Dillon Pyron wrote:
# # "When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always
# # carry a firearm. �Usually a 9mm lever action. "
# #
# # 9mm lever action??
# # That's a new one on me...can't help but wonder who made that???
#
# Marlin has chambered the 336 for several popular handgun cartridges. I
# have seen .357 and .44 magnum in local stores. Maybe they have done 9mm
# too.
Um, the .357 & .44 Magnum are both "rimmed" cartridges though. Makes head
spacing & cartridge extraction much easier in this type of rifle.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but who wants a European cartridge firing
lever action? ;-)
Bluehawk99
" Marlin has chambered the 336 for several popular handgun cartridges.
�I have seen .357 and .44 magnum in local stores. �Maybe they have
done 9mm too."
Nope...not in a lever action they haven't!
(Their Camp 9 semi-auto was popular but it's no longer manufactured.)
�
Misifus
# them to coming to grain and shipped 200 of them to the auction two weeks
# before Passover. It solved his goat problem, and put $6000 in his
# pocket. There's a lot more meat on a hog.
#
Could be. It was his nexus, not mine.
-Raf
Tony W
#
# Nope...not in a lever action they haven't!
# (Their Camp 9 semi-auto was popular but it's no longer manufactured.)
Popular yes but the Camp Carbine was a turd at best. Back when I was in
college, I wanted a Timberwolf .357 pump carbine but couldn't afford one...
Tony
Bluehawk99
" Popular yes but the Camp Carbine was a turd at best."
I can only speak for one, which my friend Richard owned, and was
shooting at an indoor range. Cartridge ruptured, (commercial ammo)
resulting in a bulged receiver on right side and cracked the stock
almost in half on that side! (blew the magazine out the bottom too)
We inspected the rifle later at my home and it was beyond repair,
except for the stock!
RBnDFW
# them to coming to grain and shipped 200 of them to the auction two weeks
# before Passover. It solved his goat problem, and put $6000 in his
# pocket. There's a lot more meat on a hog.
there are feral goats? Where was this?
nord...@yahoo.com
# coyote hunting, but do you think one could be cleanly killed with a .
# 22 rim-fire hollow point, or should I just let them be?
As others have noted a 22 rimfire will certainly kill a coyote but not
necessarily quickly unless your shot placement is precise. If I was
shooting yotes for their hides I'd use a 17 Remington or their new 17
Fireball; one small entrance hole, one dead coyote. Otherwise, if the
unwelcome carnivore's (eventual) death is all you're interested in
then most any cartridge will do.
Robert Scott
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## After shooting feral goats for 20 years, a neighbor finally accustomed
# # them to coming to grain and shipped 200 of them to the auction two weeks
# # before Passover. It solved his goat problem, and put $6000 in his
# # pocket. There's a lot more meat on a hog.
#
# there are feral goats? Where was this?
I'm guessing Hawaii.....
Good shooting,
desmobob
Martin H. Eastburn
They grow wool. Angora as I recall.
Expensive to buy. But for years, goats have been
traverse ring the west as deer - brought here by the Spanish.
Goat and pig is popular to put on Bar-B-Que pits.
Martin
Dillon Pyron
> ...
No, it is a .357. I asked my b-i-l. The 9mm is an SP101 (why???)
Bluehawk99
" No, it is a .357. �I asked my b-i-l. �The 9mm is an SP101 (why???) "
Because it was originally posted as a 9mm lever action which doesn't
exist!
ruge...@cox.net
Inc. After a few years CCI acquired the rights and sells it under the
name "Quik-Shok" Hypervelocity. It's a 32 grain segmented HP claiming
1640FPS. Not sure that is enough mass for a coyote. And three pieces
skating off the skull is not going to be lethal Squirrels, on the
other hand...
Crown Royal Six
Sheldon
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# Thus spake "Sheldon" <she...@sopris.net> :
#
# > ...
#
# "Friendly" has bad conotations around here. As in "rabid". Rabid
# coyotes have lost their inate cautiousness of man.
#
# When we walked the dogs in the "country" one of us would always carry
# a firearm. Usually a 9mm lever action. After "the encounter" we'd
# call the sheriff, who would inevitably call back with "it's rabid, any
# bite?" Rabies is endemic in Tejas.
#
Like, I don't pet them or anything. Most of them around here have lost
their fear of man simply because we leave them alone. I live in a town
surrounded by open space and forest land. If you walk around here at night,
or around sundown, they tend to follow you or stay ahead of you. If you
stop they stop. If you go they go. I have never heard of one biting
anybody, but they will go after your pets. Same with foxes. I know some
people who hand feed the foxes, but IMO that's really stupid. Foxes are
just beautiful animals up close, but will go after fluffy if you leave her
out at night. BTW, I'm not with PETA or anything. Just tend to leave
animals alone that leave me alone. Now, if I had a coop full of chickens I
might have a different mindset. :-)
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cable channels?
Basically it's several groups of city dwellers being forced to survive
in the alaskan wilderness. They get some coaching on stuff like
shooting, skinning, etc., that none of them have done.
I'd have flipped past, but a couple of curious things struck me and I
wanted to see what happened.
They are afraid of being attacked by wolves. (yeah. but none of them
had seen a wolf before) And they expect a single shot .22 to be a
good wolf stopper. I hope they don't actually shoot one.
Also, they're going to shoot a moose with a .338, having never fired a
rifle before. I predict a sore shoulder and cut eyebrow.
But I'm not going to find out, I'm not interested enough to tune back
in.
Robert Scott
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# Has anybody seen that "Alaskan experience" reality show on one of the
# cable channels?
"Reality" and television have nothing in common.
Do yourself a favor: shoot your television.
Good shooting,
desmobob (coming up on 15 years TV-free)
Bruce in alaska
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# # Has anybody seen that "Alaskan experience" reality show on one of the
# # cable channels?
Not only have I seen it, I live it every DAY......
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Friendly coyotes? Must not be very hungry, otherwise they'd turn mean
real quick...