.45 ACP Black Talon for sale
Lou Cypher
#
#I have several boxes of Winchester Black Talon ammo in .45 ACP I want to
sell.
# Price $25 per box.
#
sorry! i can still buy it out here in OR for 16.99 :)
bogie
#to sell.
There is NO WAY I would shoot black talons... Maybe stash a few boxes
of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
this armor-piercing ammunition is so cruely lethal that it was banned,
so the state <and my forthcoming political campaign> aims to make an
example out of this criminal. Alas, his victim, an honest mugger, did
not survive to file civil suit..."
cc
jessica geick
#There is NO WAY I would shoot black talons... Maybe stash a few boxes
#of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
#prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
#
#"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
#.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
#semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
#this armor-piercing ammunition is so cruely lethal that it was banned,
#so the state <and my forthcoming political campaign> aims to make an
#example out of this criminal. Alas, his victim, an honest mugger, did
#not survive to file civil suit..."
#
#cc
#
Black Talons are not armor piercing nor are they banned Winchester
pulled them off the shelves over bad publicity as for being armor
piercing a hollowpoint bullet cannot be armor piercing the mushrooming
effect does not allow it to pierce armor.A simple test of shooting them
into a roast or 2 or 3 wet phone books will prove this, an armor
piercing round would pass through a human rather quickly leaving only a
small hole, hollow points mushroom and expand beyond there original
diameter causing what is called a stretch cavity. the association
between hollow points an AP rounds is a HCI ploy nothing more.
Jessica M. Geick
Frank Kleinburg
#
###I have several boxes of Winchester Black Talon ammo in .45 ACP I want
##to sell.
#
#There is NO WAY I would shoot black talons... Maybe stash a few boxes
#of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
#prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
#
#"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
#.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
#semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
#this armor-piercing ammunition is so cruely lethal that it was banned,
#so the state <and my forthcoming political campaign> aims to make an
#example out of this criminal. Alas, his victim, an honest mugger, did
#not survive to file civil suit..."
#
#cc
#
I agree in that I would NEVER use a Black Talon against another human..
But your statement that they are banned is not even correct.. They are
NOT.. They were voluntarily pulled from sale by Wincester to avoid further
bad press.. The reason I wouldn't use them is that no criminal is worth
the $25 a box they average.. Plus aren't they very effective at dispatching
the target?. Seems it would be better to let the scum suffer longer.. flk k
APO
#There is NO WAY I would shoot black talons... Maybe stash a few boxes
#of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
#prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
#
#"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
#.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
#semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
#this armor-piercing ammunition is so cruely lethal that it was banned,
#so the state <and my forthcoming political campaign> aims to make an
#example out of this criminal. Alas, his victim, an honest mugger, did
#not survive to file civil suit..."
#
community may know the real story ( as so many of you have pointed out )
that Talons are NOT AP rounds, and have NOT been banned, the lay public
who will make up your jury may not know the truth, and some jackass DA
certainly isn't going to give you a break and tell them the truth.
The DA ( if, as the scenario above notes ) may have some political
ambition, and your case may just lead him/her/it? to glory. The jury is
going to hear sensational crap like the Talons are AP, or banned, and by
the time your lawyer presents the facts the damage is done. The jury has
it in their collective mind that you are some kind of wacked-out Rambo
wannabe, with hyper-active ammo designed to kill a charging rhino.
Remember folks, we may know the facts, but there are still a lot
of sheep out there who believe the media, and blindly accept the crap
that's being spewed out. How many people out there actually know that
full-auto weapons are LEGAL, and that Clinton's Crime Bill affected only
politically-ugly SEMI-AUTO weapons?? We've all met them. Just remember
that these are the folks sitting on the jury.
Something to think about,
APO
--
The Bill of Rights: Void where prohibited by federal fiat.
Just think what would happen if you spent as much time writing your
elected officials as you do surfing the net...maybe things would change.
bogie
##of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
##prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
##
##"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
##.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
##semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
##
#Black Talons are not armor piercing nor are they banned Winchester
#pulled them off the shelves over bad publicity as for being armor
I know that... You know that... But your average juror is only going to
hear about how this inhumane bullet explodes into jagged shapes as it
rips its way through that poor innocent mugger's flesh... Joe Citizen
doesn't know, or remember, that it wasn't banned... He just knows that
something was in the news, and then it wasn't anymore.
Heck... If you are involved in a shooting situation, the prosecutor is
gonna trot out all sorts of crap. No sense in giving 'em more. Plus, if
your mugger survives, he may sue! More reason to use something that
sounds safe... If Winchester had named the Black Talon the "Safety
Protector" or something like that, it likely wouldn't have received the
bad press, etc.
My fictitious prosecutor can, and most probably WILL, say anything that
will persuade the jury to find you guilty, so his record will look good
come election time... If he can get away with using the round's bad
reputation in the eyes of the general 'Merican public, he will.
As far as most idjits on the street think, it probably IS a banned,
exploding, armor-piercing assault-pistol-only bullet...
Am I forgetting anything?
Oh yeah... Next time, instead of knee-jerking to demonstrate your
knowledge, read the post, and don't grab stuff out of context. You're
starting to sound like a Democrat.
Landric
But I beleive the point he was trying to make is this is what the DA
would tell the jury, he didn't say it was true. Ask Ayoob about cases
like this.
Landric
Bill Will
are on the LEO market...and you would be surprised at the large number of
black talons in cops guns.....screw the lawyers....it's an effective
round.
And BTW Black Talons are not Armor Piercing, nor are they banned
This is the kind of ridiculous argument that has NYC cops with 9mm FMJ
ammo!!! Yes sir, first they go to a .38 that is lightly loaded as not to
penetrate to a bystander, then to a round notorious for doing just that!!
aAaHHH The Northeast Democrats.......
Bill
bo...@vulcan.inlink.com (bogie) wrote:
###I have several boxes of Winchester Black Talon ammo in .45 ACP I want
##to sell.
#
#There is NO WAY I would shoot black talons... Maybe stash a few boxes
#of 'em for future cartridge collectors, but I can just imagine a
#prosecutor's eyes lighting up...
#
#"Yes, yer honor... Bogie here nailed that mugger, armed with only a
#.38 special revolver, with 8 banned black talon bullets from that
#semi-automatic firearm listed as Exhibit 1. It is commonly known that
#this armor-piercing ammunition is so cruely lethal that it was banned,
#so the state <and my forthcoming political campaign> aims to make an
#example out of this criminal. Alas, his victim, an honest mugger, did
#not survive to file civil suit..."
#
#cc
#
#
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David R. Birch
# I want them. Do you have a picture.
Have you heard of a search engine called Google?
Try " black talon 45 ACP for sale"
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=493873853
Good luck.
David
Just Wondering
# I want them. Do you have a picture.
#
You can buy it at alamoammo.com - at $125 for 20 rounds ($6.25 per round).
https://alamoammo.com/pistol-ammo/45-auto/45-auto-winchester-black-talon-deep-penetrator-230-gr-sxt-20-rnds-collectors-m-id-545a-upc-020892205048?#xml
Gunner Asch
<fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
#On 7/11/2015 3:52 PM, oldcircle...@gmail.com wrote:
## I want them. Do you have a picture.
##
#You can buy it at alamoammo.com - at $125 for 20 rounds ($6.25 per round).
#https://alamoammo.com/pistol-ammo/45-auto/45-auto-winchester-black-talon-deep-penetrator-230-gr-sxt-20-rnds-collectors-m-id-545a-upc-020892205048?#xml
Of course there are a couple dozen equal or better JHPs readily
available at any gun shop.
I carry Remington Golden Sabers in most of my carry guns.
https://www.google.com/search?q=golden+sabres&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Gunner
Just Wondering
# On 7/11/2015 3:52 PM, oldcircle...@gmail.com wrote:
# # I want them. Do you have a picture.
# #
#
More:
http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/winchester-black-talon-45-acp/
http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/black-talon-45-acp/
But why Black Talon? There's arguably even better defensive ammo at a
much better price. For example:
http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Federal-Premium-Tactical-HST-45-ACP-230-Grain-JHP-p/p45hst2.htm
Gunner Asch
<fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
#On 7/12/2015 4:04 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
## On 7/11/2015 3:52 PM, oldcircle...@gmail.com wrote:
## # I want them. Do you have a picture.
## #
## You can buy it at alamoammo.com - at $125 for 20 rounds ($6.25 per round).
## https://alamoammo.com/pistol-ammo/45-auto/45-auto-winchester-black-talon-deep-penetrator-230-gr-sxt-20-rnds-collectors-m-id-545a-upc-020892205048?#xml
##
#More:
#http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/winchester-black-talon-45-acp/
#http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/black-talon-45-acp/
#
#But why Black Talon? There's arguably even better defensive ammo at a
#much better price. For example:
#http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Federal-Premium-Tactical-HST-45-ACP-230-Grain-JHP-p/p45hst2.htm
Da Ebil Black Talon!!!! Run! Run for yer lives!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/daniel-zimmerman/9mm-ammo-quest-remington-golden-saber/
etc etc etc
David R. Birch
# Da Ebil Black Talon!!!! Run! Run for yer lives!!
#
# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
#
# http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/daniel-zimmerman/9mm-ammo-quest-remington-golden-saber/
#
# etc etc etc
I have a box of 9mm and a box of .40S&W Black Talon. Maybe I should lock
them up with cloves of garlic.
David
Brooks
Talon.
greg...@gmail.com
# On 7/12/2015 4:04 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
# # On 7/11/2015 3:52 PM, oldcircle...@gmail.com wrote:
# # # I want them. Do you have a picture.
# # https://alamoammo.com/pistol-ammo/45-auto/45-auto-winchester-black-talon-deep-penetrator-230-gr-sxt-20-rnds-collectors-m-id-545a-upc-020892205048?#xml
# #
# More:
# http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/winchester-black-talon-45-acp/
# http://utahgunexchange.com/ads/black-talon-45-acp/
#
# But why Black Talon? There's arguably even better defensive ammo at a
# much better price. For example:
# http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Federal-Premium-Tactical-HST-45-ACP-230-Grain-JHP-p/p45hst2.htm
I have some 45 ACP Black Talons I will sell for that same price $125 for a box 20.
leeea...@gmail.com
Gunner Asch
#$125/20rds. of this (awesome) ammo is ridiculous.
Its a collectors item, nothing more. In fact..there is now much
better ammo available for 1/4 of that price
R.L. Horn
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
##$125/20rds. of this (awesome) ammo is ridiculous.
# In fact..there is now much better ammo available for 1/4 of that price
Which, I have to say, *still* seems ridiculously high. :)
Just Wondering
# On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:34: Gunner Asch wrote:
# # On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:53:45 leeea...@gmail.com wrote:
# #
#
# In fact..there is now much better ammo available for 1/4 of that price
#
..45 ACP Federal HST 230 grain, 50 round box for $27 plus shipping.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50-round-box-45-auto-federal-hst-230-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p45hst2
Works out to $120 for 200 rounds, that's one tenth of that Black Talon
price.
Prices are a few bucks less for HST in .40S&W and 9mm.
Found in half a minute with wikiarms.com. Wikiarms is your friend.
R.L. Horn
<fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
# ..45 ACP Federal HST 230 grain, 50 round box for $27 plus shipping.
# Works out to $120 for 200 rounds, that's one tenth of that Black Talon
# price.
Even Ranger T appears to go for about $40/50, which might be less per
round than boutique boxes of BT were selling for in the '90s. Depending
on whom you buy it from, you may or may not be asked to prove you're a
cop.
The reason BT is so expensive is because of all the contemporary
political silliness plus the fact that it's been off the market for
fifteen years.
Correction: Pistol-caliber BT seems to have been off the market for 22
years. Yikes...