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howard
Jun 9, 2013, 3:18:01 PM6/9/13
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I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
4th round.
Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
TIA, Howard
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the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
4th round.
Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
TIA, Howard
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RosemontCrest
Jun 9, 2013, 5:37:48 PM6/9/13
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On 6/9/2013 12:18 PM, howard wrote:
# I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
# the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
# oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
# 4th round.
# Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
# TIA, Howard
First, I suspect that what you loaded into the magazine are
_cartridges_, not bullets. _Bullets_ are only the projectiles. I make
that distinction for what follows.
Some semi-autos are finicky about the ammunition they are fed. Try a few
different brands of _cartridges_ with different shaped _bullets_. If you
still have problems, you might try replacing the magazine spring or
tweaking the feed-lips on the magazine.
Good luck.
# I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
# the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
# oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
# 4th round.
# Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
# TIA, Howard
First, I suspect that what you loaded into the magazine are
_cartridges_, not bullets. _Bullets_ are only the projectiles. I make
that distinction for what follows.
Some semi-autos are finicky about the ammunition they are fed. Try a few
different brands of _cartridges_ with different shaped _bullets_. If you
still have problems, you might try replacing the magazine spring or
tweaking the feed-lips on the magazine.
Good luck.
Gunner Asch
Jun 9, 2013, 5:37:51 PM6/9/13
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On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC), howard <how...@peak.org>
wrote:
#I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
#the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
#oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
#4th round.
#Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
#TIA, Howard
Firstr of all..with any jam...one has to make sure all the bits are
smoothly polished properly.
And .pull your magazine apart and stretch the magazine spring (if
possible)
What kind of a jam is it? There are multiple kinds
wrote:
#I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
#the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
#oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
#4th round.
#Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
#TIA, Howard
Firstr of all..with any jam...one has to make sure all the bits are
smoothly polished properly.
And .pull your magazine apart and stretch the magazine spring (if
possible)
What kind of a jam is it? There are multiple kinds
Ernie B.
Jun 9, 2013, 5:37:52 PM6/9/13
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In article <kp2kd9$q4p$1...@news.albasani.net>, you say...
# I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
# the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
# oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
# 4th round.
# Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
# TIA, Howard
Perhaps the magazine spring is getting tired.
--
Ernie B.
# I load 6 bullets in the magazine. On the 4th cycle it jams. Have to drop
# the magazine and remove the mis-aligned bullet. It has been cleaned,
# oiled and will consistently fire the first 3 rounds and sometimes the
# 4th round.
# Any suggestions of what to look for, magazine or loading the rounds in it?
# TIA, Howard
Perhaps the magazine spring is getting tired.
--
Ernie B.
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
Jun 9, 2013, 5:37:53 PM6/9/13
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1. Try a different brand of ammunition
2. Replace magazine spring
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1017200.htm
3. Replace magazine
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2. Replace magazine spring
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1017200.htm
3. Replace magazine
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/193510.htm
howard
Jun 9, 2013, 8:09:30 PM6/9/13
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When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
RosemontCrest
Jun 9, 2013, 9:00:57 PM6/9/13
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On 6/9/2013 5:09 PM, howard wrote:
# When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
I believe that what you refer to as the "opening" is the chamber.
Referring to the left or right side of the receiver is fine.
The only Sterling pistols in .25 ACP that I find reference to are models
300 and 300S. Both of those are listed as having 6-shot magazines. There
may be other models for which I find no reference.
Try some different ammunition first, then report back.
Good luck.
# When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
I believe that what you refer to as the "opening" is the chamber.
Referring to the left or right side of the receiver is fine.
The only Sterling pistols in .25 ACP that I find reference to are models
300 and 300S. Both of those are listed as having 6-shot magazines. There
may be other models for which I find no reference.
Try some different ammunition first, then report back.
Good luck.
Steve W.
Jun 9, 2013, 9:00:59 PM6/9/13
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howard wrote:
# When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
#
#
If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
extra round in may have damaged the magazine.
--
Steve W.
# When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
#
#
If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
extra round in may have damaged the magazine.
--
Steve W.
RosemontCrest
Jun 10, 2013, 7:32:39 AM6/10/13
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On 6/9/2013 6:00 PM, Steve W. wrote:
# howard wrote:
# # When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# # the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# # terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# # cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# # ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
# #
# #
Yup. If howard did manage to squeeze 7 rounds in that 6-round magazine,
the feed lips may be bent or otherwise damaged.
# howard wrote:
# # When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# # the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# # terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# # cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# # ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
# #
# #
#
# If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
# extra round in may have damaged the magazine.
# If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
Yup. If howard did manage to squeeze 7 rounds in that 6-round magazine,
the feed lips may be bent or otherwise damaged.
howard
Jun 10, 2013, 7:32:40 AM6/10/13
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On 6/9/2013 6:00 PM, Steve W. wrote:
# howard wrote:
# # When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# howard wrote:
# # the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
# # terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# # cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# # ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
# #
# #
#
# If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
# extra round in may have damaged the magazine.
# If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
#
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Somewhere I MAY have read seven (perhaps one in the chamber).
Next time out shooting, I will load ONLY 6.
Thanks for all the information.
howard
Martin Eastburn
Jun 10, 2013, 7:32:46 AM6/10/13
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On the bullet itself - what is the nose shape ? Is the cartridge the
correct length - might be short and with less spring pressure it doesn't
just fall in right.
Martin
correct length - might be short and with less spring pressure it doesn't
just fall in right.
Martin
Gunner Asch
Jun 10, 2013, 7:32:47 AM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:09:30 +0000 (UTC), howard <how...@peak.org>
wrote:
#
#When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
#the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
#terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
#cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
#ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
Do you have a Dremel tool? The little hand grinder?
Look on Ebay for a "stone" (the grinding thingy) called Certex They
are made of rubber with a fine abrasive in the rubber.
[MODERATOR: "Cratex" perhaps?]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DREMEL-Rubber-Polishing-point-461-polishing-point-/140420336255
Buy or borrow one from someone and polish up the areas that the
cartridge is hitting and rubbing on while its being loaded into the
chamber. POLISH it.....Only.
There is a distinct possiblity you may have bent "feed lips" on your
magazine..so purchase another magazine (or borrow one) and see if it
jams in the same fashion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Two-Sterling-25-Auto-Pistol-Magazines-6-Rounds-/330937289907
Currently .99 with $5 shipping...I dont think they are going to go for
much money....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sterling-M-300-25-acp-magazine-/380628755284
Sterlings were "ok" pistols..but were very very spotty in their finish
and production. And they could be shot loose in a surprisingly short
amount of time. Some were indeed made of zinc..though most were
ferrous
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=693919
http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10790864/pistols-for-sale/sterling-arms-corporation-model-300-semi-auto-pistol-.25-cal
etc etc
Gunner
wrote:
#
#When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
#the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of the
#terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
#cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
#ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
Do you have a Dremel tool? The little hand grinder?
Look on Ebay for a "stone" (the grinding thingy) called Certex They
are made of rubber with a fine abrasive in the rubber.
[MODERATOR: "Cratex" perhaps?]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DREMEL-Rubber-Polishing-point-461-polishing-point-/140420336255
Buy or borrow one from someone and polish up the areas that the
cartridge is hitting and rubbing on while its being loaded into the
chamber. POLISH it.....Only.
There is a distinct possiblity you may have bent "feed lips" on your
magazine..so purchase another magazine (or borrow one) and see if it
jams in the same fashion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Two-Sterling-25-Auto-Pistol-Magazines-6-Rounds-/330937289907
Currently .99 with $5 shipping...I dont think they are going to go for
much money....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sterling-M-300-25-acp-magazine-/380628755284
Sterlings were "ok" pistols..but were very very spotty in their finish
and production. And they could be shot loose in a surprisingly short
amount of time. Some were indeed made of zinc..though most were
ferrous
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=693919
http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10790864/pistols-for-sale/sterling-arms-corporation-model-300-semi-auto-pistol-.25-cal
etc etc
Gunner
Pete Keillor
Jun 10, 2013, 9:54:29 AM6/10/13
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Dad bought a Walther PPK and P-38 off a GI when he was a fighter pilot
in England. The PPK is nice, made in 1935, private purchase, probably
still 95% blue, but the extractor was broken. It was replaced by a
Duxford armorer after he bought them. He always claimed it wasn't
reliable, would jam after a few rounds. I'd seen it growing up.
Last year, he gave me the weapons to take home for cleaning and care.
He's 93. When I stripped the magazine of the PPK, I found twigs in
there. Damn near a bird's nest. Cleaned it out, removed very small
amount of rust, lightly oiled, and took to range. It shoots fine now.
Pete Keillor
Gunner Asch
Jun 10, 2013, 9:54:31 AM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:32:40 +0000 (UTC), howard <how...@peak.org>
wrote:
#Somewhere I MAY have read seven (perhaps one in the chamber).
#Next time out shooting, I will load ONLY 6.
#Thanks for all the information.
#howard
It may now require reforming the feed lips
Or buying new mags
Though why you want a starter pistol....shrug.
You do know that you shoot someone with it..they are gonna be really
pissed at you..right?
wrote:
#Somewhere I MAY have read seven (perhaps one in the chamber).
#Next time out shooting, I will load ONLY 6.
#Thanks for all the information.
#howard
It may now require reforming the feed lips
Or buying new mags
Though why you want a starter pistol....shrug.
You do know that you shoot someone with it..they are gonna be really
pissed at you..right?
Gunner Asch
Jun 10, 2013, 9:54:32 AM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:32:47 +0000 (UTC), Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#Do you have a Dremel tool? The little hand grinder?
#
#Look on Ebay for a "stone" (the grinding thingy) called Certex They
#are made of rubber with a fine abrasive in the rubber.
# [MODERATOR: "Cratex" perhaps?]
Blush! Cratex it is. Thats what I get for posting while eating
dinner...sigh
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
#Do you have a Dremel tool? The little hand grinder?
#
#Look on Ebay for a "stone" (the grinding thingy) called Certex They
#are made of rubber with a fine abrasive in the rubber.
# [MODERATOR: "Cratex" perhaps?]
Blush! Cratex it is. Thats what I get for posting while eating
dinner...sigh
Gunner Asch
Jun 15, 2013, 7:25:35 PM6/15/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:53:17 -0600, P.O. <p...@dhamma.com> wrote:
#what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
#
Mr Bond upgraded to a much larger cartridge...the .32ACP and in
2012..he once again upgraded to the .380
Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
kill. In 20 yrs...he will be shooting them with a 9mm Parabellum.
: )
#what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
#
Mr Bond upgraded to a much larger cartridge...the .32ACP and in
2012..he once again upgraded to the .380
Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
kill. In 20 yrs...he will be shooting them with a 9mm Parabellum.
: )
David R. Birch
Jun 16, 2013, 6:29:08 AM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 6:25 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
# #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
# #
#
# Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
# kill. In 20 yrs...he will be shooting them with a 9mm Parabellum.
#
# : )
I think Bond had a Walther P5 in one of the Timothy Dalton flix.
David
# #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
# #
# Mr Bond upgraded to a much larger cartridge...the .32ACP and in
# 2012..he once again upgraded to the .380
#
# Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
# kill. In 20 yrs...he will be shooting them with a 9mm Parabellum.
#
# : )
I think Bond had a Walther P5 in one of the Timothy Dalton flix.
David
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
Jun 16, 2013, 11:30:39 AM6/16/13
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# On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:53:17 -0600, P.O. <po@dhamma> wrote:
# #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
Yes, a modified Beretta - see
http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/
He also had a large revolver in one film - see
http://i2.listal.com/image/1108631/500full.jpg
# #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
Yes, a modified Beretta - see
http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/
He also had a large revolver in one film - see
http://i2.listal.com/image/1108631/500full.jpg
David Griffith
Jun 16, 2013, 8:25:10 PM6/16/13
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David R. Birch <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
# On 6/15/2013 6:25 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
# I think Bond had a Walther P5 in one of the Timothy Dalton flix.
Don't forget the P99 that has been seen repeatedly since 1997.
# On 6/15/2013 6:25 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
# # On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:53:17 -0600, P.O. <p...@dhamma.com> wrote:
# #
# # #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
# # #
# # Mr Bond upgraded to a much larger cartridge...the .32ACP and in
# # 2012..he once again upgraded to the .380
# #
# # #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
# # #
# # Mr Bond upgraded to a much larger cartridge...the .32ACP and in
# #
# # Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
# # kill. In 20 yrs...he will be shooting them with a 9mm Parabellum.
# # Apparently the villians are developing hybrid vigor and are harder to
# I think Bond had a Walther P5 in one of the Timothy Dalton flix.
Don't forget the P99 that has been seen repeatedly since 1997.
David E. Powell
Jun 18, 2013, 6:24:21 AM6/18/13
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:30:39 AM UTC-4, Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley wrote:
#
#
#
# Yes, a modified Beretta - see
#
# http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/
#
#
#
# He also had a large revolver in one film - see
#
# http://i2.listal.com/image/1108631/500full.jpg
I believe that was none other than the Smith and Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum. "Live And Let Die" came out shortly after "Dirty Harry" did. I wonder if that was a nod from Mr. Moore to Mr. Eastwood?
# # On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:53:17 -0600, P.O. <po@dhamma> wrote:
#
# # #what do you mean- james bond had a 25 cal lol
#
#
#
#
# Yes, a modified Beretta - see
#
# http://jamesbond.ajb007.co.uk/handguns-of-james-bond/
#
#
#
# He also had a large revolver in one film - see
#
# http://i2.listal.com/image/1108631/500full.jpg
I believe that was none other than the Smith and Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum. "Live And Let Die" came out shortly after "Dirty Harry" did. I wonder if that was a nod from Mr. Moore to Mr. Eastwood?
Sheldon
Jun 21, 2013, 1:40:10 PM6/21/13
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"RosemontCrest" <rosemo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kp4dgn$1p4$1...@news.albasani.net...
# On 6/9/2013 6:00 PM, Steve W. wrote:
# # howard wrote:
# # # When it jams, the cartridge is way off center, kinda pushed away from
# # # the opening and against the solid side of the receiver (not sure of
# the
# # # terminology), again, the first 3 feed fine. It is also hard to load 7
# # # cartridges, as the spring seems very tight (compressed)
# # # ty for taking time to "coax" me with this Sterling.
# # #
# # #
# #
# # If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
# # extra round in may have damaged the magazine.
# # #
# #
# # If that's a model 300 they are a 6 round magazine, not 7. Forcing that
#
# Yup. If howard did manage to squeeze 7 rounds in that 6-round magazine,
# the feed lips may be bent or otherwise damaged.
#
This is a really good point. I've seen .25's where it was fairly easy to get
an extra round in the magazine and that caused all kinds of feed problems.
If 3 feed fine try 3 only, then 4 only then 5, etc. and see what happens. If
the problem only occurs with a full mag you found the problem.
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