Air Rifle Lubrication?
all...@mail.sdsu.edu
I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
information?
Brad Troyer
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Brad Troyer
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Eric A. Mastrangelo
all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
#
# I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# information?
A good source of general information on air rifles and their upkeep
is the Beeman Air Rifle catalog which you should be able to get at any
gun shop that carries their line. It's free, and it's loaded with all
types of info. Also, it lists all of their rifle care products and what
they're used for in detail. They make probably the best guns on the
market that I can think of, so I would say you would be in good hands.
Try it.
Sir My-T Dog
The Airgun Letter
all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
# I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# information?
Your gun has a synthetic seal, which should be lubricated with two or three
drops of silicon chamber oil. Both Beeman (1-800-227-2744) and RWS (201-767-1995
or http://www.register.com/rws) sell this product. Don't use this oil for any
other purpose, as it has no lubricity and only a weak surface tension. If you
use it for lubrication anywhere else on the gun, it will fail, and you'll get
metal galling. In the chamber, however, it's the only lube to use since it can
withstand the 2000 degree temperature that a spring-air gun generates on firing.
For your mainspring, use either a good spring oil or Snake Oil. These products
will keep your spring moving smoothly inside the chamber. You will have to take
the action out of the stock to do this, and both Beeman and RWS sell stainless
steel oiling needles that allow you to put lubrication precisely where you want.
I recommend buying several needles because you will need one to drop the chamber
oil into the hole in the front end of the sliding steel compression chamber on
both your QB-88 and TS-45.
The Airgun Letter has been testing and tuning a TS-45 for a year now, and we
have gotten its power up to 650 fps with lighter pellets; and the accuracy is
about 0.20" for a 5-shot group, center-to-center, at 10 meters (33 ft.). The
QB-88 is advertised as an 800 fps rifle, but you will discover that it only
shoots in the high 400s. We may be tuning this gun in the future.
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rob...@spirit.reno.nv.us
all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
#
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# information?
I've been using Crossman Pellgun oil on a RWS Diana. I believe it is a
synthetic and doesn't harm the seals.
Mailto:viol...@pobox.com
The Airgun Letter
all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
# # I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# # the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# # even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# # to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# # information?
rob...@spirit.reno.nv.us wrote:
# I've been using Crossman Pellgun oil on a RWS Diana. I believe it is a
# synthetic and doesn't harm the seals.
# Mailto:viol...@pobox.com
Airgun lubrication is both a simple and a complex subject. You can get into
it very deeply; but if you're just looking for answers, it doesn't have to be
complicated.
With a spring-air gun, you want to lubricate the piston seal for two reasons.
The first is because your gun burns lubricant with every shot. This was proved
conclusively by Gerald Cardew in his book, "The Airgun From Trigger to Target."
With a low-velocity rifle, like the QB-88 (although they're advertised at 900
fps, they actually only get 450 fps out of the box), the oil you use is not
critical. You can even use a petroleum-based oil, although that is not
recommended for a more powerful gun. Your best bet is to use an oil formulated
for very high temperatures. Both Beeman and RWS sell a spring chamber oil that
is perfect for this use.
The second use of oil in a spring gun piston is to seal the compression
chamber. If the seal is made of leather, it will absorb the oil like a sponge
and retain it until it is all burned off. Leather seals deform to fit the
cavity of the compression chamber. Synthetic seals do not deform, and they
require an ultra-thin film of oil around their perimeter to seal the chamber.
Guns with synthetic seals (like your QB-88) usually have higher velocities
than those with leather seals, although this is by no means absolute.
The oil is introduced into the compression chamber through the hole in the
front of that chamber. This is called the air transfer port. Both Beeman and
RWS sell a stainless steel applicator needle to go through this hole and put
the oil exactly where it's needed. If you don't have a needle, drop 3-4 drops
into the transfer port and stand the gun on its butt for 30 minutes.
In other guns, like pneumatic and CO2 guns, oil is used for sealing only. It
is not burned. Different types of oil should be used in these guns. Crosman
Pellgunoil is perfect for oiling the O-rings and felt wiper pads of these guns.
It has not been formulated for spring piston seals.
Accurizing a Chinese airgun is a subject that takes many pages to convey. We
have done three articles in "The Airgun Letter" about accurizing a TS-45
sidelever Chinese air rifle. Our gun now delivers 0.20" 5-shot groups at 10
meters.
Tom Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
http://www.airgunletter.com
st...@airgunletter.com
joeb...@gmail.com
# I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell leather and rubber seals and
cause rot to occur. I've used 100% Mineral oil on my ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks.
That was 11 years ago and still going strong.
TimR
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/
for good information on airguns. They tend to be PCP users (precharged pneumatic)
but there is a chinese springer section.
IGot2P
# On Friday, August 23, 1996 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
# # I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# # that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# # the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# # even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# # to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# # information?
#
# I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell leather and rubber seals and
# cause rot to occur. I've used 100% Mineral oil on my ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks.
# That was 11 years ago and still going strong.
#
Didn't you just answer a post that was almost 19 years old?
Gunner Asch
#On Friday, August 23, 1996 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
## I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
## that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
## the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
## even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
## to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
## information?
#
#I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell leather and rubber seals and
#cause rot to occur. I've used 100% Mineral oil on my ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks.
#That was 11 years ago and still going strong.
Ayup.
Gunner
Petey
#
# I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell leather
# and rubber seals and cause rot to occur. I've used 100% Mineral oil on my
# ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks. That was 11 years ago and still
# going strong.
Isn't mineral oil petroleum based?
Don Bruder
Petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
# joeb...@gmail.com wrote:
# #
# # ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks. That was 11 years ago and still
# # going strong.
#
# Isn't mineral oil petroleum based?
I've been biting holes in my tongue refraining from saying/asking the
same thing...
--
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Just Wondering
# # ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks. That was 11 years ago and still
# # going strong.
#
#
The internet is your friend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil
"A mineral oil is any of various colorless, odorless, light mixtures of
higher alkanes from a non-vegetable (mineral) source, particularly a
distillate of petroleum. . . . Most often, mineral oil is a liquid
by-product of the distillation of petroleum to produce gasoline and
other petroleum-based products from crude oil."
Juergen Nieveler
# # I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell
# leather # and rubber seals and cause rot to occur. I've used 100%
# Mineral oil on my # ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks. That was
# 11 years ago and still # going strong.
# Isn't mineral oil petroleum based?
Using mineral oil also can cause an effect similar to what occurs in
Diesel engines - you have a tiny amount of oil in the barrel, suddenly
there's a huge pressure spike - and tiny oil droplets ignite...
--
Juergen Nieveler
Ceterum censeo NSA esse delendam
Petey
# On 1/17/2015 7:22 PM, Petey wrote:
# # #
# # # I have learned to NOT use petroleum based lubricants. They swell
# # # Mineral oil on my ChiCom .177 air rifle I got for 20 bucks. That was
# # # 11 years ago and still going strong.
# #
Thanks! ;-)
Hate removing cookies though after visiting sites like Wikipedia.
Reynard
for all things Chinese.
rfr...@gmail.com
# I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
I don't know about airguns, but--the oil widely used in homes, for cooking and even
lighting in Asia is mustard oil. Known to Unistatans and Canadians as
Canola oil(Canadian Oil Assn.)
Petey
# I have found that sesame oil - or in a pinch, chili oil work well
# for all things Chinese.
Peanut oil as a lubricant if you really want to go all out Chinese. ;-)
I still remember how I'd be jonesin' for some dry roasted Planters peanuts
after shooting the Q-24 (I think it's nomenclature was? :-/ ) Chinese air
pistol I had once.
Just Wondering
# On Friday, August 23, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, all...@mail.sdsu.edu wrote:
# # I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# # that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# # the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# # even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# # to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
# # information?
#
# I don't know about airguns, but--the oil widely used in homes, for cooking and even
# lighting in Asia is mustard oil. Known to Unistatans and Canadians as
# Canola oil(Canadian Oil Assn.)
#
Mustard oil and canola oil aren't the same thing.
Mustard oil is extracted from the seeds of
Brassica nigra, B. juncea, or B. hirta/Sinapis alba
Canola oil is extracted from the seeds of
Brassica napus L. or Brassica rapa
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_seed
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_oil
wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola
rfr...@gmail.com
# I have just purchased a TS-45 Chinese air rifle and I liked it so much
# that I have the higher quality QB-88 on order. The one problem is that
# the manual is useless. I've read that these can be accurized, but I don't
# even know the correct lubrication techniques, what kind of oil and where
# to apply it. Does anyone know something about this or perhaps a source of
Just Wondering is quite correct as to botanical differences in the Br. varieties he mentioned.
I doubt the airgun in question would know the difference.