209 primers and 22 pellets

[Bob La Londe]

I was just looking at an old Sportman's Guide catalog before tossing it in
the trash. One item that caught my eye was a .223 adaptor to use a 209
primer to launch a .22 caliber air gun pellet. What kind of energy is that
going to develop? What kind of muzzle velocity will that generate? It
might be a nice way to practice pulling the trigger and get some short range
target practice with your bolt action .223, although I would be hesitant to
use it in an auto.

The thing though is they advertise it for pest control. Seems to me for
short range even a pump air gun would be far more economical. As a kid I
killed a lot of gophers for the bounty with my Daisy 880. Spring piston
guns are so mush more powerful, and now with the gas spring guns on the
market for a few years you don't have to worry about leaving them ready to
flip the safety and fire killing the spring.

Not even considering the PCP guns. How does this 209 primer propelled .22
pellet compare to a pellet fired out of a pellet gun?

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"Bob La Londe" <onebi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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# I was just looking at an old Sportman's Guide catalog before tossing it in
# the trash. One item that caught my eye was a .223 adaptor to use a 209
# primer to launch a .22 caliber air gun pellet. What kind of energy is
that
# going to develop? What kind of muzzle velocity will that generate? It
# might be a nice way to practice pulling the trigger and get some short
range
# target practice with your bolt action .223, although I would be hesitant
to
# use it in an auto.
#

Still around
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=593401

Might be a cheap way to practice trigger control in your back yard
Very Similar to the plastic case and bullet by Speer for Revolvers.
http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/components/plastic_training_bullets.aspx

[Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley]

On Jun 23, 4:54=A0am, "Bob La Londe" <onebike...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# How does this 209 primer propelled .22
# pellet compare to a pellet fired out of a pellet gun?

From a handgun, average velocity is 875-910 fps

[Larry Fishel]

I experimented a while back using primed .223 cases with .22 pellets
in my AR and while it was entertaining, I found that the .22 pellets I
had (don't remember the brand) were too undersized to be usably
accurate (actually loose in the bore). Maybe the shotshell primer
generates enough pressure to spread the skirt and work better, but
since the "head" is undersized, this doesn't seem like it would ensure
decent accuracy. Maybe another brand would work better...

[sta...@prolynx.com]

I played with one of those back when shotgun primers were around a
penny@. I concluded that an air gun was not only cheaper, it was more
accurate. Some people just can't practice without some sort of
"bang", though. Right now, you'd be hard pressed to say it was
economical, shotshell primers are hovering around 5-6 cents@. You'll
notice the absence of the adapters on the shelves these days. Not a
big fan of wax and plastic handgun bullets, either, primer cost is
equal to or greater than .22s these days. If I'm popping primers, I
want a powder charge and a real bullet on top.

In some locales, using such an adapter for pest control would lay you
open to a charge of discharging a firearm within city limits, using
ATF's definition. They'd send a pellet about 100-200 pages deep into
a Sears catalog, so plenty of power. Never actually chronographed
one, was in the days long before cheap chronos.

Biggest problem is the primer blowing the skirts out on the pellets.
I suspect that the old US-type would work better than the thinner-
skirted European imports. Round balls might have been better, too,
but didn't have any T shot at the time, though. Crudded up the bore
something awful, too.

Stan

[haraoi_conal]

I don't know, I've never compared the two. What you can try if you
have some empty .223 brass and primers is prime the brass. Take a
pellet and smear some bullet lube on the outside and stick the pellet
in the case. The bullet lube will keep the pellet in the case neck. I
have tried these in my NEF handi-rifle. They will penetrate about 1/2
of a Shotgun News at about 20 feet. You can increase the velocity by
enlarging the primer hole. Just mark the cases to keep they separate.

My guess is that my old tired Sheridan Blue Streak will out perform
this set-up. Noise level seems about the same.

[deadgoose]

Interesting discussion. IIRC, the .22 Short was developed exactly
along these lines.

[sta...@prolynx.com]

On Jun 25, 8:13=A0am, deadgoose <deadgo...@comcast.net> wrote:
# Interesting discussion. =A0IIRC, the .22 Short was developed exactly
# along these lines.
#

Yeah, it's basically reinventing the CB cap, only with a centerfire
case. IIRC, the "adapter" consisted of a .223 case with the primer
pocket drilled and reamed to accept a 209 primer. A brass rod with a
loop on the end for punching the 209 out completed the loading
outfit. I can buy a whole lot of tins of .177 pellets for what a
shoebox of 209s costs these days and probably the RWS 54 would out-
perform the primer-pellet combo by a large margin. Probably my $20
chink sidecocker would, too. But there's no "bang" with that. The 54
has a bang, but it's supersonic.

Stan