Buffalo Arms M1 Carbine
Larry W. Carnes
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I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
had "Buffalo Arms, 11---1945" and the Ordinance flaming pot emblem
stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
paying $330 plus tax for it, which seems a good deal if it was really
a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
M1 Carbine copy.
Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
this?
JIM SHERMAN
Larry W. Carnes wrote:
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# --
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# I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
# had "Buffalo Arms, 11---1945" and the Ordinance flaming pot emblem
# stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
# any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
# contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
#
# The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
# paying $330 plus tax for it, which seems a good deal if it was really
# a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
# M1 Carbine copy.
#
# Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
# this?
Buffalo supplied barrels only and they woumd up on a number of
different brands. Marlin did this also, I believe.
Jim Sherman
Lock Bar
Buffalo Arms did not produce complete carbines. They were a sub-contrator
that made barrels for atleast one of the carbine makers during WW2. They
also made M1 Garand barrels for the government during the war.
Regards, Lock Bar
Trailerpark Badass
In <5o26go$v...@xring.cs.umd.edu> ah...@rgfn.epcc.edu (Larry W. Carnes)
writes:
#--
# I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
#stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
#any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
#contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
#
# The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
#a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
#M1 Carbine copy.
#
# Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
#this?
Buffalo Arms Corp., a subsidiary of Howdale-Hershey Corp. of Buffalo,
NY, and others supplied M1 Carbine barrels to the government for
distribution to the primary M1 Carbine contractors that lacked barrel
making capability (N.P.M., Quality Hardware, Saginaw, and Standard
Products).
Mortalis
Ordinary_Guy
ah...@rgfn.epcc.edu (Larry W. Carnes) wrote:
# I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
#had "Buffalo Arms, 11---1945" and the Ordinance flaming pot emblem
#stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
#any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
#contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
Buffalo Arms made the barrel. They made lots of Carbine barrels.
They even made some M1 Rifle (Garand) barrels. They were considered
pretty awful, even at the time. But when at war, you take what you
can get.
# The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
#paying $330 plus tax for it, which seems a good deal if it was really
#a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
#M1 Carbine copy.
What the heck does the receiver say???
# Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
#this?
Yep, see above.
Regards,
Ordinary_Guy
Garand Collectors Association member
Fulton Armory Webmaster
http://www.fulton-armory.com
Specializing in everything AR-15, M14/M1A, M1 Rifle & M1 Carbine
Frank Walter
Larry W. Carnes wrote:
# --
#
# I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
# had "Buffalo Arms, 11---1945" and the Ordinance flaming pot emblem
# stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
# any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
# contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
#
# The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
# paying $330 plus tax for it, which seems a good deal if it was really
# a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
# M1 Carbine copy.
#
# Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
# this?
Buffalo arms was the manufacturer of the barrel ONLY. several of the
manufacturers used them. They were not know for there quality control,
and most tried to use underwood barrels first. But since it was war time
many rifles came off the floor with BA barrels. To find the rifle
manufacturer you must look on the top, rear of the receiver. Sometimes
this can be difficult due to the late model adjustable sights blocking
the name. $330.00 is a far price to pay if you know what you are
getting. I believe that ALL carbines are overpriced. But market price
keeps going up as people are willing to pay more for less.
Jon
Trailerpark Badass wrote:
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# In <5o26go$v...@xring.cs.umd.edu> ah...@rgfn.epcc.edu (Larry W. Carnes)
# writes:
# #--
# # I saw an M1 Carbine at an estate auction this weekend which
# #stamped on the barrel just before the front sight. I couldn't find
# #any mention of Buffalo Arms being one of the companies the War Dept
# #contracted with to supply carbines in any of my reference books.
# #
# # The carbine was in very good condition. The buyer ended up
# #a 1940s gov't contract M1, but high if it is a "Universal Arms" type
# #M1 Carbine copy.
# #
# # Could someone familiar with Buffalo Arms shed some light on
#
# Buffalo Arms Corp., a subsidiary of Howdale-Hershey Corp. of Buffalo,
# NY, and others supplied M1 Carbine barrels to the government for
# distribution to the primary M1 Carbine contractors that lacked barrel
# making capability (N.P.M., Quality Hardware, Saginaw, and Standard
# Products).
#
# Mortalis
My IBM sports a buffalo barrel. I'll put it up against any Inland barrel
any day.
Jon
AintNoFun
Without examining the gun , I'd have to say "Buffaloo Arms" is the name of
the company that Imported that carbine back into the US ,for resale. I've
seen all kinds of names on these "reimport" guns. Ceck under the rear
sight , where it overhangs ,just behind the dovetail , the top of the
reciver will be marked with the manufacture's name. the rear sight may
have to be removed the read it. Standard products marked theres in this
area,along with other companies.
If theres no name there , and none on the barrel ,just behind the
front sight, your gun was probly rebarreled at some point , using an
unmarked barrel ,fitted to an unmarked reciever.
Also , be advised , military , Us carbines-cal.30 guns ,that bear
importers names on the barrel , are not worth a lot. I purchused an
arsonal rebuilt , mint,
Inland ,W/two 30rd. mags at a local gunshow yesterday for 300.00. it had
sling,
oiler & mags with it. .........Be careful.........dont get bit on these
things.
Aint...@aol.com
Trailerpark Badass
In <5p9a83$s...@xring.cs.umd.edu> aint...@aol.com (AintNoFun) writes:
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#Without examining the gun , I'd have to say "Buffaloo Arms" is the
name of
#the company that Imported that carbine back into the US ,for resale.
SNIP SNIP
And you'd be wrong. Although this has been definitively covered in
previous posts - including one by me - the bottom line is that Buffalo
Arms made barrels.
Mortalis
Spfld03
Buffalo Arms made the barrel for the goverment after other supplier could
not keep-up with demand and therefore lost there contracts-the barrel is a
correct barrel for an issue M-1 carbine
Robert Gibson
In case you didn't catch the conclusion of this thread....be aware that
Buffalo Arms made Type IIB barrels for use on Quality Hardware, Irwin-
Pedersen, Saginaw, National Postal Meter and Standard Products USGI M1
Carbines during World War II.
Buffalo Arms never made carbines, nor did anyone ever make carbines with
this name on the receiver....period, the end.
The actual explaination is the carbine newbie who originally posted the
question picked up the *barrel mark* and missed the *receiver mark* for
simple reason that it was hidden under the Type II rear sight....and he
didn't know he was supposed to look for it there. No big deal <Shrug>.
Robert Gibson
Jon
AintNoFun wrote:
#
# Without examining the gun , I'd have to say "Buffaloo Arms" is the name of
# the company that Imported that carbine back into the US ,for resale. I've
# seen all kinds of names on these "reimport" guns. Ceck under the rear
# sight , where it overhangs ,just behind the dovetail , the top of the
# reciver will be marked with the manufacture's name. the rear sight may
# have to be removed the read it. Standard products marked theres in this
# area,along with other companies.
# If theres no name there , and none on the barrel ,just behind the
# front sight, your gun was probly rebarreled at some point , using an
# unmarked barrel ,fitted to an unmarked reciever.
# Also , be advised , military , Us carbines-cal.30 guns ,that bear
# importers names on the barrel , are not worth a lot. I purchused an
# arsonal rebuilt , mint,
# Inland ,W/two 30rd. mags at a local gunshow yesterday for 300.00. it had
# sling,
# oiler & mags with it. .........Be careful.........dont get bit on these
# things.
# Aint...@aol.com
Buffalo Arms is the name of a WW2 contractor who made barrels for the M1
carbine.
While many have said here that they weren't the best barrels, the one on
my IBM carbine shoots better than the new SA barrel on my Inland.
FWIW,
Jon