HODGDON CLAYS?
Cap Hugho
Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
especially on performance. TIA!
-cap{8^)
Baber2064
Like you I used 700x for years but when UIT regulations forced me to go to
7/oz (24gm) I stumbled on a load for Clays in a AA hull thats fantistic.
and you are right its CLEAN!
TB
R. Stewart Ellis
>Hi,
>Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
>and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
>folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
>especially on performance. TIA!
>-cap{8^)
Clays is definitely clean, but I bet I can fire 3 shells each loaded with
Clays, 700X and Winchester Super Target in a blind test, with the only thing
I will be told that the next three shells are loaded with the same powder,
out of an O/U, and I will be able to tell you which ones are which. The
recoil of Clays really distracts me when shooting skeet gun up. I can
usually break more targets with 28ga than 12 anyway, and Clays puts my
scores further in the toilet. I can also feel the difference between 700X
and WST, so in order of decreasing felt recoil: Clays, 700X, WST. What I
want is something as clean as Clay (or even 700X), that shoots as soft as
WST. Since I do not shoot much 12ga except in tournaments, I do not really
care how economical (or uneconomical) it is.
I have found there is a great difference in sensitivity to this kind of felt
recoil, and Ed Matunas denies it exists, but he simply is wrong on this
account.
Stew
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Kevin P Hickman
Cap Hugho <hug...@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
#Hi,
#Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
#and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
#folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
#especially on performance. TIA!
#-cap{8^)
#
There a several shooters at my range who swear by it. One of them is a AA
skeet shooter. I want to try it, but I just cracked open a 12# keg of 700X
myself.
I had questions regarding Accurate Arms Powders. I just finished 10#
Nitro-100 and it seems like AA is downplaying that powder. There are very few
loads for it in their latest complimetary brochure - most loads are for Scot
1000/1250. I also use their #9 for .410 and am fairly happy with it, but once
again AA has a new .410 powder called 4100 and hasn't listed #9 for .410 in
the last 2 guides I looked at. #9 isn't listed in any other reloading manual
I've seen either. What do other people use for .410 ?
Kevin Hickman kp...@chevron.com
"eschew obfuscation"
Scot Heath
: In article <4edi9q$g...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
: Cap Hugho <hug...@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
: #Hi,
: #Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
: #and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
: #folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
: #especially on performance. TIA!
: #-cap{8^)
: #
: There a several shooters at my range who swear by it. One of them is a AA
: skeet shooter. I want to try it, but I just cracked open a 12# keg of 700X
: myself.
: again AA has a new .410 powder called 4100 and hasn't listed #9 for .410 in
: the last 2 guides I looked at. #9 isn't listed in any other reloading manual
: I've seen either. What do other people use for .410 ?
Clays is an exceptionally clean burning powder. I have always used
Winchester Super Target for 12 ga. 1-1/8 oz trap and skeet loads and
Winchester Super Lite for 24 gm. international trap and skeet loads.
Neither are as clean as the Clays but "clean" doesn't enter into my
decision process. Clean, as in "doesn't leave much powder residue in the
barrel" doesn't matter. I swipe out the barrel with a fuzzy rod at the
range to eliminate anything that might attract moisture and no matter what
kind of powder I use, all that residue is gone.
I use WW powders because of their low recoil and the extremely consistent
drops I get when loading as well as their nearly zero variance lot to lot.
Other powders may fit this description, I haven't experimented a lot but
probably the next one I'd look at is the new Red Dot.
I don't load .410 but if I did, I'm sure I'd use WW296.
Good Luck,
-Scot
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Scot Heath
: I have found there is a great difference in sensitivity to this kind of felt
: recoil, and Ed Matunas denies it exists, but he simply is wrong on this
: account.
You are correct, there is a great difference in perceived recoil and it's
effect on different shooters. The sharp recoil of 700x is objectionable to
me, to some people it is not. I too shoot WST for this reason as well as
it's extremely consistent metering.
LeeAnne Kryder
Clays among twenty gauge skeet shooters with whom I shoot - but I don't
think that clean barrels are really that important
an issue (unless you shoot an auto-loader).
I think that cleanliness is less important than:
1. pattern
2. pattern
3. confidence in the loads
4. consistency of ignition
5. Load flexibility.
6. Even the little identifying colored flakes (Red or green dot) are
more important than barrel cleanliness - especially if you use multiple
powders.
Did I mention pattern?
Which is not to say that the clays powders don't pattern well, but
rather an attempt to put barrel residue in perspective.
One other thing to note when comparing loads is the pressure of two
loads of the same velocity and shotcharge. A load
with a higher pressure will tend to be cleaner but may not pattern as
well.
I've "heard" that single base powders (clays,Iclays,Uclays, PB, 4756,7625)
are inherently "cleaner" but that double base powders are
more consistent at lower temperatures.
Does anyone have any references to confirm this rumor?
# Hi,
# Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
# and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
# folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
# especially on performance. TIA!
deane jeffrey
On 28 Jan 1996, Scot Heath wrote:
[snip]
#
# You are correct, there is a great difference in perceived recoil and it's
# effect on different shooters. The sharp recoil of 700x is objectionable to
# me, to some people it is not. I too shoot WST for this reason as well as
# it's extremely consistent metering.
#
# -Scot
#
I too have found 700x to be high on the 'cringe' factor. I shot WST
for a while in my IPSC gun, but I have now changed to Hodgedon Universal
Clays. I can duplicate the power factor of my WST loads without getting
near the max load. It also seems to subjectively have a noticeably lower
felt recoil for those of you that believe in that sort of thing.
Just my $0.02
Jeff Deane
P.S. its real clean too. At least in my SA 1911 IPSC Gun.
Lloyd Eby
#Hi,
#Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
#and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
#folks say that "clays" is even cleaner. Any comments appreciated.,
#especially on performance. TIA!
I've switched from 700X to Clays. Clays is indeed cleaner burning. When I
shot 700x, there would be powder residue in the barrels of my O/U. With
Clays there is none. As for performance or results in terms of breaking
targets, I can't tell any difference from one shotgun powder to another,
and I've used PB, Red Dot, Green Dot, Winchester Super Target, 700X, and
Clays. Powder choice does make a large difference in highpower rifle
accuracy, but I don't think it matters for shotguns, just so long as you
choose a powder that is appropriate for the guage, load, and wad you're
using.
Lloyd Eby
le...@nova.umuc.edu
Paul
in a 9mm reload? I've had good luck with HS6.
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R.W. Odell
I've used Clays for quite some time now, and an VERY pleased with its
performance. I use 18.2 gr. in a AAA Hull with an Olin Wad and 1 1/8 of 7 1/2
for trap.
While there is certainly no grit left in the barrel, cleaning is still required.
There are many recipes available for handguns using the Clays powder, but I
haven't yet tried those.
Bill Clark
down to -4 F (with a nasty windchill) I use Clays and have seen no
difference in proformance (of the gun/shell/powder) in these colder..
um....frigid temperatures
On 29 Jan 1996, LeeAnne Kryder wrote:
#
# I've "heard" that single base powders (clays,Iclays,Uclays, PB, 4756,7625)
# are inherently "cleaner" but that double base powders are
# more consistent at lower temperatures.
# Does anyone have any references to confirm this rumor?
#
Scot Heath
: I've used Clays for quite some time now, and an VERY pleased with its
: performance. I use 18.2 gr. in a AAA Hull with an Olin Wad and 1 1/8 of 7 1/2
: for trap.
AAA, is this something new? Sort of a combination skeet class, automobile
association case? :-)
( I know he meant AA, I just couldn't pass it up.)
Bruce Buck
#
# In article <4edi9q$g...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# Cap Hugho <hug...@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote:
# #Hi,
# #Does anyone have any opinions on Hodgdon Clays gunpowder for good trap
# #and skeet target loads. For years I've used Dupont's 700X, but I hear
# I had questions regarding Accurate Arms Powders. I just finished 10#
# Nitro-100 and it seems like AA is downplaying that powder. There are very few
# loads for it in their latest complimetary brochure - most loads are for Scot
# 1000/1250. I also use their #9 for .410 and am fairly happy with it, but once
# again AA has a new .410 powder called 4100 and hasn't listed #9 for .410 in
# the last 2 guides I looked at. #9 isn't listed in any other reloading manual
# I've seen either. What do other people use for .410 ?
I shoot a fair amount of Hodgdon Clays and find it to be very, very
clean. It measures pretty much like Red Dot and seems to have the
same recoil properties as 700-X and Red Dot.
As to .410 reloads, just about everyone I know of reloads .410 with
Winchester 296. A few people use Hodgdon H-110, which they say is
just Winchester 296 repackaged for Hodgdon. I don't know that for
a fact, but they certainly seem the same.
EckhardtJH
primers, Claybuster wads) and have never had a complaint. It seems
cleaner than the factory AA loads.
Joe Clark
R.W. Odell <asbestos!rod...@uu3.psi.com> wrote:
#
#I've used Clays for quite some time now, and an VERY pleased with its
#performance. I use 18.2 gr. in a AAA Hull with an Olin Wad and 1 1/8 of 7 1/2
#for trap.
#
#While there is certainly no grit left in the barrel, cleaning is still required.
#There are many recipes available for handguns using the Clays powder, but I
#haven't yet tried those.
#
#
I tried Clays in my .45 P12 and found it to be hot. I could feel heat from
the muzzle flash on the front of my hand and the recoil was also sharper
than 231 at the same velocities. The listed chamber pressure is higher for
Clays than 231 at the same velocity also. I tried it looking for a cleaner
burning powder but went back to 231. Is there a cleaner powder than 231 for
.45? Anyone tried Universal?
BLDOT
but shut them down. Just kidding! I think everyone ought to check out
Vihta Vuori's complete powder line if you haven't already. It is the most
consistently reliable burning powder out there today! (my opinion of
course). I first saw the powder advertised in Shooter's News magazine.
They run a nice size ad there every month and they are a pleasure to deal
with! The company that imports the stuff is in Bensenville, IL,
Kaltron-Pettibone.
Kaltron-Pettibone 1-800-683-0464
Shooter's News magazine 1-216-979-5258 (http://home.navisoft.com/snj/mag)
JLETSINGER
30 years, and Clays (all 3 of them) are the cleanest burning powders I've
ever used. Don't notice any difference in patterns. Clays also load real
well in pistols, too.
Frank Caltabiano
says...
#
#I've used just about every powder made for shotguns in the US in the
last
#30 years, and Clays (all 3 of them) are the cleanest burning powders
I've
#ever used. Don't notice any difference in patterns. Clays also load
real
#well in pistols, too.
#
Where can I get loading info for using Clays in pistols?
Fred Aydelotte
writes:
:>
:>I've used just about every powder made for shotguns in the US in the last
:>30 years, and Clays (all 3 of them) are the cleanest burning powders I've
:>ever used. Don't notice any difference in patterns. Clays also load real
:>well in pistols, too.
:>
I've been using Clays in 9mm and 45acp with good results. VERY clean
shooting.
Check out Hodgdon's Web page at http://www.unicom.net/hpc for the latest
loads.
Keep Smilin' NRA Life, CCRKBA Life, GOA, JPFO, SAF,
Fred Aydelotte Firearms Coalition, ASLET, LEAA,
ayde...@epix.net Libertarian Party.
Michael O'Gara
Caltabiano) writes:
#
#In article <4fr1hr$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jlets...@aol.com
says...
#
# Where can I get loading info for using Clays in pistols?
# <snip...>
Hodgdon sells a reloading manual with plenty of pistol loads.
-- Mike
Hobbes
#In article <4fr1hr$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jlets...@aol.com
#says...
##
##I've used just about every powder made for shotguns in the US in the
#last
##30 years, and Clays (all 3 of them) are the cleanest burning powders
#I've
##ever used. Don't notice any difference in patterns. Clays also load
#real
##well in pistols, too.
##
# Where can I get loading info for using Clays in pistols?
Hodgdon has a web site, but for some reason, I can't find where I hid
the info. I got it off the newsgroup here, so someone must have it.
At any rate, if it doesn't show up, email Phil Hodgdon yourself at
j...@mail.unicom.net and give him your snailmail address. He'll have
one of his employees mail you out reloading information. Try to get
the website info first, though, as Phil would probably prefer to
receive business requests via the site rather than having it sent
directly to his account.
Later,
Hobbes
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:> Where can I get loading info for using Clays in pistols?
:>
:>
Check out Hodgdon's home page at http://www.inicom.net/hpc. You can submit
questions via e-mail and request their latest loading data brochure.