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David Griffith
May 18, 2012, 7:55:54 AM5/18/12
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I don't remember if I asked this before, so please bear with me. I'm
sure others may have the same question.
Suppose a person residing in California wants to acquire a handgun that
is not listed on the state's list of approved handguns. Can that person
acquire such a handgun by going through Gunbroker.com and the FFL-to-FFL
routine?
What I'm after is a reference to something authoritative.
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sure others may have the same question.
Suppose a person residing in California wants to acquire a handgun that
is not listed on the state's list of approved handguns. Can that person
acquire such a handgun by going through Gunbroker.com and the FFL-to-FFL
routine?
What I'm after is a reference to something authoritative.
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David Griffith
davidmy...@acm.org <--- Put my last name where it belongs
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eric holder
May 18, 2012, 12:20:21 PM5/18/12
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In article <jp5dc9$hrd$1...@news.albasani.net>,
davidmy...@acm.org (David Griffith) wrote:
# I don't remember if I asked this before, so please bear with me. I'm
# sure others may have the same question.
#
# Suppose a person residing in California wants to acquire a handgun that
# is not listed on the state's list of approved handguns. Can that person
# acquire such a handgun by going through Gunbroker.com and the FFL-to-FFL
# routine?
#
# What I'm after is a reference to something authoritative.
The following is from the California DOJ website at:
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
"Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within
California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for
sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed
firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California
by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic
handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns
are exempt from this requirement."
davidmy...@acm.org (David Griffith) wrote:
# I don't remember if I asked this before, so please bear with me. I'm
# sure others may have the same question.
#
# Suppose a person residing in California wants to acquire a handgun that
# is not listed on the state's list of approved handguns. Can that person
# acquire such a handgun by going through Gunbroker.com and the FFL-to-FFL
# routine?
#
# What I'm after is a reference to something authoritative.
The following is from the California DOJ website at:
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
"Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within
California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for
sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed
firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California
by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic
handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns
are exempt from this requirement."
David Griffith
May 18, 2012, 6:28:05 PM5/18/12
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# "Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within
# California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for
# sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed
# firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California
# by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic
# handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns
# are exempt from this requirement."
Exactly what is a "private party transfer"?
pyotr filipivich
May 19, 2012, 4:46:02 AM5/19/12
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Just that. A Private transaction: be it a sale, a trade, or some
other "transfer" from one person to another are exempt. Because if
they weren't - you'd have to go to an FFL to get your grandpa's guns
he left you in his will.
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pyotr filipivich
CH
May 20, 2012, 7:39:17 AM5/20/12
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"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jp7mka$p1l$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# Just that. A Private transaction: be it a sale, a trade, or some
# other "transfer" from one person to another are exempt. Because if
# they weren't - you'd have to go to an FFL to get your grandpa's guns
# he left you in his will.
# --
# pyotr filipivich
#
Private party transfer do indeed have to go through a dealer in California
and are subject to the DROS process, including the 10+1 day waiting period.
For a handgun coming in from out of state the outbound and inbound dealer
most both be FFLs & have CA DOJ dealer IDs. The receiving dealer will not
even be able to process the DROS legitimately if the handgun is not on the
approved roster, as it will not be a selection. There are generic exception
including single action revolvers over a specified OAL, and specific classes
of .22 rimfire pistols.
There is no such roster for approved long guns, though there are specific
long guns which are illegal, as well as generic characteristics that make a
long gun illegal in California.
Th authoritative source would be to refer to the civil code, or the excerpts
at the CA DOJ website.
http://oag.ca.gov/firearms
news:jp7mka$p1l$1...@news.albasani.net...
#
# Just that. A Private transaction: be it a sale, a trade, or some
# other "transfer" from one person to another are exempt. Because if
# they weren't - you'd have to go to an FFL to get your grandpa's guns
# he left you in his will.
# --
# pyotr filipivich
#
Private party transfer do indeed have to go through a dealer in California
and are subject to the DROS process, including the 10+1 day waiting period.
For a handgun coming in from out of state the outbound and inbound dealer
most both be FFLs & have CA DOJ dealer IDs. The receiving dealer will not
even be able to process the DROS legitimately if the handgun is not on the
approved roster, as it will not be a selection. There are generic exception
including single action revolvers over a specified OAL, and specific classes
of .22 rimfire pistols.
There is no such roster for approved long guns, though there are specific
long guns which are illegal, as well as generic characteristics that make a
long gun illegal in California.
Th authoritative source would be to refer to the civil code, or the excerpts
at the CA DOJ website.
http://oag.ca.gov/firearms
pcmacd
May 22, 2012, 8:02:58 PM5/22/12
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I am not a lawyer, but it is entirely possible that guns that are
acquired through inheritance may be able to be imported.
Please don't take my word for it, but I do recall reading the rules,
and was surprised that the People's Republik of Kalifornia would do
something so out of character.
mac
acquired through inheritance may be able to be imported.
Please don't take my word for it, but I do recall reading the rules,
and was surprised that the People's Republik of Kalifornia would do
something so out of character.
mac
Bill Smith
May 26, 2012, 10:05:24 PM5/26/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 08:46:02 +0000 (UTC), pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#
# Just that. A Private transaction: be it a sale, a trade, or some
#other "transfer" from one person to another are exempt. Because if
#they weren't - you'd have to go to an FFL to get your grandpa's guns
#he left you in his will.
Not quite correct. A private party transfer in this case means two
residents of the State of California. Handguns not on the approved
list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
may not be imported into the State. There are a number of exempt
handguns, however.
All private sales, long gun or handgun, must go through an FFL.
Bill Smith
[MODERATOR: Ummm ... then they're not particularly private,
are they... ]
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
#
# Just that. A Private transaction: be it a sale, a trade, or some
#other "transfer" from one person to another are exempt. Because if
#they weren't - you'd have to go to an FFL to get your grandpa's guns
#he left you in his will.
Not quite correct. A private party transfer in this case means two
residents of the State of California. Handguns not on the approved
list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
may not be imported into the State. There are a number of exempt
handguns, however.
All private sales, long gun or handgun, must go through an FFL.
Bill Smith
[MODERATOR: Ummm ... then they're not particularly private,
are they... ]
Peter Franks
May 27, 2012, 1:50:23 PM5/27/12
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On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# Handguns not on the approved
# list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# may not be imported into the State.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
infringed*. (emphasis added)
What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
# Handguns not on the approved
# list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# may not be imported into the State.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
infringed*. (emphasis added)
What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
David Griffith
May 27, 2012, 5:27:41 PM5/27/12
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Peter Franks <peter....@cox.net> wrote:
# On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # Handguns not on the approved
# # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # may not be imported into the State.
# Amendment II
# A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
# State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
# infringed*. (emphasis added)
# What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
The hippies left over from the 60s and 70s are in power. I'm eagerly
following the lawsuit of Pena v. Cid which seeks to overturn this
idiocy.
# On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # Handguns not on the approved
# # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # may not be imported into the State.
# Amendment II
# A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
# State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
# infringed*. (emphasis added)
# What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
The hippies left over from the 60s and 70s are in power. I'm eagerly
following the lawsuit of Pena v. Cid which seeks to overturn this
idiocy.
Stanley Schaefer
May 29, 2012, 5:11:22 PM5/29/12
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On May 27, 11:50=A0am, Peter Franks <peter.fra...@cox.net> wrote:
# On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # Handguns not on the approved
# # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # may not be imported into the State.
#
# Amendment II
# On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # Handguns not on the approved
# # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # may not be imported into the State.
#
#
# A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
# State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
# infringed*. (emphasis added)
#
# What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
#
# State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
# infringed*. (emphasis added)
#
# What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
Inmates running the asylum. There's a raft of freeloaders/freebies-
for-everyone types, labor/socialist types, greenies, and associated
hangers-on in state government, all with constituencies with hands
held out. All anti-gun. Worse, they outnumber the folks actually
paying taxes. IMO, the picture does NOT improve for the future, the
demand for free goods and services is infinite. Folks are already
deserting a sinking ship. I left 17 years back, was one of the best
days of my life. A couple of years before I left, one of the S.F.
papers had a small piece on the back page about how half of CA was on
some sort of assistance or other. That only works as long as the
other half has jobs and pays taxes. The state government has made it
about as hard as possible to run a business out there, a lot of them
either closed shop or moved. Even show business films/tapes up in
Canada because it's cheaper. You guys out in CA have my sympathy, but
I really don't see how things can improve without about half the
voting population vanishing. Their votes are already bought by the
freebies they get. CA has some very nice geography, too bad about the
state government.
Stan
Jim Bianchi
May 29, 2012, 10:32:03 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 21:11:22 +0000 (UTC), Stanley Schaefer wrote:
# On May 27, 11:50=A0am, Peter Franks <peter.fra...@cox.net> wrote:
# # On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # # Handguns not on the approved
# # # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # # may not be imported into the State.
# # infringed*. (emphasis added)
# business out there, a lot of them either closed shop or moved. Even show
# business films/tapes up in Canada because it's cheaper.
Not only is filming in Canada (and other countries) cheaper, but
many (most?) of the action films that feature modern submachineguns run up
against GCA '86 (I think) where it says no new (or replica) SMGs (or MGs)
may be built (for ANY reason) unless, of course, you've a constructors
license. The film company can't even have one made up from bar stock on the
day, have an F-troop there to keep an eye on it, and destroy it immediately
it has been used in the film.
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ji...@sonic.net
# On May 27, 11:50=A0am, Peter Franks <peter.fra...@cox.net> wrote:
# # On 5/26/2012 7:05 PM, Bill Smith wrote:
# # # Handguns not on the approved
# # # list may be bought and sold among Ca residents, or sold out of state,
# # # but can't be sold to a CA resident by a dealer. A gun not on the list
# # # may not be imported into the State.
# #
# # Amendment II
# #
# # A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
# # State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be
# # Amendment II
# #
# # A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
# # infringed*. (emphasis added)
# #
# # What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
#
#[snip] The state government has made it about as hard as possible to run a
# # What is wrong with that wretched state (government)?
#
# business out there, a lot of them either closed shop or moved. Even show
# business films/tapes up in Canada because it's cheaper.
Not only is filming in Canada (and other countries) cheaper, but
many (most?) of the action films that feature modern submachineguns run up
against GCA '86 (I think) where it says no new (or replica) SMGs (or MGs)
may be built (for ANY reason) unless, of course, you've a constructors
license. The film company can't even have one made up from bar stock on the
day, have an F-troop there to keep an eye on it, and destroy it immediately
it has been used in the film.
--
ji...@sonic.net
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