WARNING - ParaOrdnance P14 stainless steel

Neal Conrardy

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Mar 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/12/97

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I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith
to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only
plated?

pol...@snowcrest.net

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Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/13/97

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Neal Conrardy wrote:
#
# I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith
# to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
# gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
# but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
# false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only
# plated?

I'll watch this thread with great interest. I was just about set on
buying a P10 but one of the local gunsmiths told me he's been having
Para-Ord pistols come in with stuff broken on them that shouldn't break,
like slide stop pins. And I've read some things here that kinda made me
question their quality control. Now this. Makes me wonder....? Maybe
I'll buy a Glock instead.

Peter J. Persing

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Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/13/97

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Neal Conrardy wrote:
#
# I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith
# to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
# gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
# but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
# false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only
# plated?

How in the devil does anyone stainless steel "plate" anything. Copper,
yes - chrome, yes - silver, yes - gold, yes - but stainless steel???
Lets see, plating steel on steel. I would like to see that setup.

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MacLeod

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Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/13/97

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pol...@snowcrest.net wrote:
#

# Neal Conrardy wrote:
# #
# # I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith

# # to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
# # gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
# # but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
# # false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only
# # plated?
#
# I'll watch this thread with great interest. I was just about set on
# buying a P10 but one of the local gunsmiths told me he's been having
# Para-Ord pistols come in with stuff broken on them that shouldn't break,
# like slide stop pins. And I've read some things here that kinda made me
# question their quality control. Now this. Makes me wonder....? Maybe
# I'll buy a Glock instead.

Go for the Glock!

Mac.

Giovanni Lentini RRT

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Mar 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/14/97

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"Peter J. Persing" <per...@aa.net> wrote:

->Neal Conrardy wrote:
->#
-># I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a
->#gunsmith to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back
->#and said the gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it
->#was plated with but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact
->#steel! Talk about false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun
->#stainless when it is only plated?
->
->
->How in the devil does anyone stainless steel "plate" anything. Copper,
->yes - chrome, yes - silver, yes - gold, yes - but stainless steel???
->Lets see, plating steel on steel. I would like to see that setup.

I have a SS Trophy Match, when I bought it I IMMEDIATELY realized that
the only SS parts on it were the slide, barrel and frame. Everything
else was hardchromed, which I did not care for as it's color was a
"milky white". I sent the ENTIRE weapon to CheckMate to have RE-plated
(INCLUDING the SS slide, barrel and frame).

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geoff beneze

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Mar 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/14/97

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In article <5gaduj$o...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "Peter J. Persing"
<per...@aa.net> wrote:

# How in the devil does anyone stainless steel "plate" anything. Copper,
# yes - chrome, yes - silver, yes - gold, yes - but stainless steel???
# Lets see, plating steel on steel. I would like to see that setup.

Yeah, but some guy calling himself a gunsmith SAID it was!
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Daniel Morris DeRight

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Mar 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/15/97

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Excerpts from netnews.rec.guns: 14-Mar-97 Re: WARNING - ParaOrdnance ..
by Giovanni Lentini RRT@iqu

# "Peter J. Persing" <per...@aa.net> wrote:
#

# ->Neal Conrardy wrote:
# ->#

# -># I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a

# ->#gunsmith to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back
# ->#and said the gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it
# ->#was plated with but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact
# ->#steel! Talk about false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun
# ->#stainless when it is only plated?
# ->
# ->
# ->How in the devil does anyone stainless steel "plate" anything. Copper,
# ->yes - chrome, yes - silver, yes - gold, yes - but stainless steel???
# ->Lets see, plating steel on steel. I would like to see that setup.
#
# I have a SS Trophy Match, when I bought it I IMMEDIATELY realized that
# the only SS parts on it were the slide, barrel and frame. Everything
# else was hardchromed, which I did not care for as it's color was a
# "milky white". I sent the ENTIRE weapon to CheckMate to have RE-plated
# (INCLUDING the SS slide, barrel and frame).

As far as I can tell, that's pretty much the standard setup. Most
every stainless gun I've seen has used cro-moly parts for the finely
tuned parts like the trigger works. However, the original poster was
discussing the installation of sights as being a problem due to the
gun's only being plated. That implies that it is a cro-moly slide, and
that cy=utting into it for a new sight would ruin the finish. Unless
every report I have heard is incorrect, the slide, frame and barrel are
all SS, and so no problem should be had with the installation of new
sights, nor has any fraud been committed.

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00000

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Mar 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/16/97

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One plates things with stainless by spraying them with a high-temperature
mist of stainless steel onto a charged surface. Some expensive sunglass
mirror lenses, such as Bausch&Lomb employ this process.

Rod Davis

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Mar 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/16/97

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MacLeod wrote:
#

# # Neal Conrardy wrote:
# # #

# # # I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith
# # # to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
# # # gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
# # # but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
# # # false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only
# # # plated?
# #

# # I'll watch this thread with great interest. I was just about set on

# # buying a P10 but one of the local gunsmiths told me he's been having
# # Para-Ord pistols come in with stuff broken on them that shouldn't break,
# # like slide stop pins. And I've read some things here that kinda made me
# # question their quality control. Now this. Makes me wonder....? Maybe
# # I'll buy a Glock instead.
#
# Go for the Glock!
#
# Mac.

From a Para Ordnance P-14SS owner:
I'm confused! A guy worried about steel plating on a steel gun, and
he's recommending buying one made of tupperware?

Rod

Joseph P. Leahy III

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Mar 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/20/97

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I have a para P-12 which is solid stainless frame, slide and barrel.
I know because it has been completly machined and polished.
Try another gunsmith for a second opinion.

#
# Neal Conrardy wrote:
# #
# # I sent a new ParaOrdnance P14 45 ACP stainless steel gun to a gunsmith
# # to have sights, trigger, etc. upgraded. He called be back and said the
# # gun was only plated! He stated he did not know what it was plated with
# # but the gun itself was not stainless and was in fact steel! Talk about
# # false advertising. Is it legal to call a gun stainless when it is only

# # plated?

Stephen Shoihet

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Apr 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/1/97

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## I'll watch this thread with great interest. I was just about set on
## buying a P10 but one of the local gunsmiths told me he's been having
## Para-Ord pistols come in with stuff broken on them that shouldn't break,
## like slide stop pins. And I've read some things here that kinda made me
## question their quality control. Now this. Makes me wonder....? Maybe
## I'll buy a Glock instead.

Maybe he doesn't like that fact that it's made in Canada :-)

-Steve
Kelowna, B.C., Canada

Allan Langlois

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Apr 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/3/97

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Here's the reply I recieved when I emailed Para ord:

Dear Sir,

Our stainless steel pistols are stainless. The frame stainless and most
parts are stainless. There is a few small parts that are steel
not satinless.

Trusting the above will meet with your satisfaction, should you have any
further questions please feel free to contact our office.

Sincerely,

Caroline Crawford
Para Ordnance Comments
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Allan Langlois
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Stephen Shoihet <ssho...@silk.net> wrote in article
<5hr9q9$g...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
# ## I'll watch this thread with great interest. I was just about set on
# ## buying a P10 but one of the local gunsmiths told me he's been having
# ## Para-Ord pistols come in with stuff broken on them that shouldn't
break,
# ## like slide stop pins. And I've read some things here that kinda made
me
# ## question their quality control. Now this. Makes me wonder....? Maybe
# ## I'll buy a Glock instead.
#
# Maybe he doesn't like that fact that it's made in Canada :-)
#
#
# -Steve
# Kelowna, B.C., Canada
#
#
#

Neal Conrardy

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Apr 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/9/97

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Allan Langlois wrote:
#
# Here's the reply I recieved when I emailed Para ord:
#
# Dear Sir,
#
# Our stainless steel pistols are stainless. The frame stainless and most
# parts are stainless. There is a few small parts that are steel
# not satinless.
#
# Trusting the above will meet with your satisfaction, should you have any
# further questions please feel free to contact our office.
#
# Sincerely,
#
# Caroline Crawford
# Para Ordnance Comments

I got the same reply from Caroline Crawford but my gunsmith says they
are just plated. He used a dremel tool on the inside of the frame. He
tested it with cold blue and he stated is turned black, indicating it
was not stainless. I would love to here from someone who actually
knows. Maybe it is just the type of stainless steel?