7.92mm mystery rifle cartridge
Ben Magista
12 o'clock, 1954 at 6 o'clock, A at 3 and 9 o'clock. The cartridge looks
like it was fired from a semi auto as the side of the case has dents in it
from hitting the ejection port. The rim is heavily distorted from the
extractor and ejector. I found a empty cartridge box nearby that reads 15
Cartuchos "SS" Cal. 7.92 mm. The box also has a seal on it with the words
EJERCITO ECUATORIANO. Can anyone shed some light on this cartridge or
firearm that uses it?
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John A. Stovall
<bmag...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
#Mystery rifle cartridge found at the range yesterday, head stamped 7.92mm at
#12 o'clock, 1954 at 6 o'clock, A at 3 and 9 o'clock. The cartridge looks
#like it was fired from a semi auto as the side of the case has dents in it
#from hitting the ejection port. The rim is heavily distorted from the
#extractor and ejector. I found a empty cartridge box nearby that reads 15
#Cartuchos "SS" Cal. 7.92 mm. The box also has a seal on it with the words
#EJERCITO ECUATORIANO. Can anyone shed some light on this cartridge or
#firearm that uses it?
A 7.92mm is the same as the 8mm Mauser. Ecuador had a number of
rifles chambered in that caliber. See:
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/danR.htm
EJERCITO ECUATORIANO translates Ecuadorian Army. I would expect to
see the Ecuadorian crest on the box or the seal.
It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
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On Mon, 19 May 2003 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) "Ben Magista" <bmagista@speakeasy
net> wrote:
>Mystery rifle cartridge found at the range yesterday, head stamped 7
>.92mm at
>12 o'clock, 1954 at 6 o'clock, A at 3 and 9 o'clock. The cartridge
>looks
>like it was fired from a semi auto as the side of the case has dents in
>it
>from hitting the ejection port. The rim is heavily distorted from the
>extractor and ejector. I found a empty cartridge box nearby that reads
>15
>Cartuchos "SS" Cal. 7.92 mm. The box also has a seal on it with the
>words
>EJERCITO ECUATORIANO. Can anyone shed some light on this cartridge or
>firearm that uses it?
"Cartuchos" is Spanish for "cartridges". "Ejercito Ecuatoriano"
means "Ecuadorian Army". The cartridge case you found is one from a
cartridge designed to fit some kinds of standard 8 X 57mm Mausers.
The "SS" distinguishes it from a "JS" type. There are a few very
minor differences between the two types of 8 X 57mm Mauser ammunition.
As I recall the differences have something to do with the bullet shape
and also a miniscule difference in the bullet diameter. Case sizes
are the same. Boxes of this milsurp Ecuadorian ammo are currently in
abundant supply in the US.
Sam Heywood
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semis, but I would be the Hakim.
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<bmag...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
#Mystery rifle cartridge found at the range yesterday, head stamped 7.92mm at
#12 o'clock, 1954 at 6 o'clock, A at 3 and 9 o'clock. The cartridge looks
#like it was fired from a semi auto as the side of the case has dents in it
#from hitting the ejection port. The rim is heavily distorted from the
#extractor and ejector. I found a empty cartridge box nearby that reads 15
#Cartuchos "SS" Cal. 7.92 mm. The box also has a seal on it with the words
#EJERCITO ECUATORIANO. Can anyone shed some light on this cartridge or
#firearm that uses it?
Very likely an 8x57...
Christopher Morton
<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
Why not?
Could have been fired from an FN49 or a G43.
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# 12 o'clock, 1954 at 6 o'clock, A at 3 and 9 o'clock. The cartridge looks
# like it was fired from a semi auto as the side of the case has dents in it
# from hitting the ejection port. The rim is heavily distorted from the
# extractor and ejector. I found a empty cartridge box nearby that reads 15
# Cartuchos "SS" Cal. 7.92 mm. The box also has a seal on it with the words
# EJERCITO ECUATORIANO. Can anyone shed some light on this cartridge or
# firearm that uses it?
7.92x57mm / 7.92Mauser from the Ecuadorian Army for a Mauser rifle like the VZ24.
Doug Haxton
<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#A 7.92mm is the same as the 8mm Mauser. Ecuador had a number of
#rifles chambered in that caliber. See:
#
#http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/danR.htm
#
#EJERCITO ECUATORIANO translates Ecuadorian Army. I would expect to
#see the Ecuadorian crest on the box or the seal.
#
#It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
Why not? The G43, G41, and FN49 are all chambered for 8mm Mauser,
and FN49's aren't that rare.
Doug
Plink
<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#A 7.92mm is the same as the 8mm Mauser. Ecuador had a number of
#rifles chambered in that caliber. See:
#
#http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/danR.htm
#
#EJERCITO ECUATORIANO translates Ecuadorian Army. I would expect to
#see the Ecuadorian crest on the box or the seal.
#
#It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
It could easily have been a semi. I used to own a Hakim and it dented
the case mouth heavily on ejection. At one time there were quite a few
of them for sale. Actually, I wish I had another. I liked it.
Mike
John A. Stovall
<chr...@ameritech.net> wrote:
#On Tue, 20 May 2003 11:21:38 +0000 (UTC), "John A. Stovall"
#<johnas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#
##It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
#
#Why not?
#
#Could have been fired from an FN49 or a G43.
You are correct, Sir. I had bolt guns on the brain when I wrote that.
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# A 7.92mm is the same as the 8mm Mauser. [...]
# It would however not be a Semi-auto which fired it.
You are forgetting the G.43 and Hakim. There was also
a belgian semi rifle in this caliber, FN-48 or something,
I do not remember now. Granted, any of them should not
be routinely fired, but kept in a dry air safe.
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Christopher Morton
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##Could have been fired from an FN49 or a G43.
#
#You are correct, Sir. I had bolt guns on the brain when I wrote that.
Maybe they'll find a hidden stash of G43s in Iraq! : )
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# The "SS" distinguishes it from a "JS" type. There are a few very
# minor differences between the two types of 8 X 57mm Mauser ammunition.
# As I recall the differences have something to do with the bullet shape
# and also a miniscule difference in the bullet diameter. Case sizes
# are the same.
Old J Patrone was round nosed, 226 gr., .318 bullet at 2093 fps.
New S Patrone is pointed (spitzer), 154 gr., .323 bullet at 2880 fps.
J can be fired in S bores but for a loss in accuracy. It is NOT SAFE to
shoot S bullets in J bores. (Trying to push .323 into .318!!). Dangerous
pressures will result. Measure carefully.
Jeff
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Christopher Morton
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#
## The "SS" distinguishes it from a "JS" type. There are a few very
## minor differences between the two types of 8 X 57mm Mauser ammunition.
## As I recall the differences have something to do with the bullet shape
## and also a miniscule difference in the bullet diameter. Case sizes
## are the same.
#
#Old J Patrone was round nosed, 226 gr., .318 bullet at 2093 fps.
#New S Patrone is pointed (spitzer), 154 gr., .323 bullet at 2880 fps.
#
#J can be fired in S bores but for a loss in accuracy. It is NOT SAFE to
#shoot S bullets in J bores. (Trying to push .323 into .318!!). Dangerous
#pressures will result. Measure carefully.
As an additional point of information, Commission 88s and possibly
some 98s originally chambered for the J Patrone were converted to fire
the S Patrone by increasing the freebore, but NOT reboring. This
lowers pressures SOMEWHAT. The guns were stamped with an S. There
are multiple opinions on whether they're really safe.
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