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223 Military Brass Headstamp Identification

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Mike Deschler

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Dec 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/25/97
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Hope You All Had A Merry Christmas and A Special Thanks To Our Moderator!!!

I've been going through my inventory or 223 brass and have the following
brass headstamped as follows: MAL (Malaysian I assume), CJ both crimped and
uncrimped, TW, TZZ, PSD, PS, RA, and TW and would like to know more about
them. Also, has anyone had any reloading problems with any of this stuff?

I've already sorted out and reloaded the IMI, REM, WCC, and LC which I've
had with no problems but would like to check first before proceeding
further.

Thanks for any inf.

Mike Deschler


Arne Carlsten

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Dec 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/26/97
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Mike Deschler <mike...@kconline.com> wrote:
: Hope You All Had A Merry Christmas and A Special Thanks To Our Moderator!!!

: I've been going through my inventory or 223 brass and have the following
: brass headstamped as follows: MAL (Malaysian I assume), CJ both crimped and
: uncrimped, TW, TZZ, PSD, PS, RA, and TW and would like to know more about
: them. Also, has anyone had any reloading problems with any of this stuff?


Not sure about the "MAL" headstamp. Malaysian seems likely...

"CJ" is Chinese (Norinco).

"TW" is Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant.

"TZZ" is IMI (Israel Military Industries). IMI loaded .45 ACP ball for
the US in the late '80s, I don't know if IMI 5.56mm was ever issued to US
forces.

"PSD" I don't recognize.

"PS" is PMC (Poonsang Metal Corporation).

"RA" is Remington.


: I've already sorted out and reloaded the IMI, REM, WCC, and LC which I've


: had with no problems but would like to check first before proceeding
: further.


There was some TW brass produced in the late 1970s that wasn't properly
annealed (it was produced during test runs of new equipment) and shouldn't
be used for loading. Check Dejanews for the thread on this; it'll point
you to the _American Rifleman_ that had a warning about this.

I, personally, would avoid the "PS" brass. PMC ammunition has in my
experience been crap for years, and the brass is often very soft.

The "TZZ" and "RA" should be good brass. I think the "CJ" stuff is OK as
well. The "MAL" and "PSD" I couldn't say...


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Arne Gustav Carlsten
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David P. Hummel, Sr.

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Dec 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/26/97
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PSD is made by PMC but has a crimped primer. Pain in the butt to reload, I
disposed of mine rather than reload it.


MURPHEYSLW

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
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TZZ headstamp ammo (Israeli) was and still is issued to U.S. troops mostly
what I have seen is .45 ammo though.


Mr. Murphey


Jared Nedzel

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
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Arne Carlsten wrote:
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# Mike Deschler <mike...@kconline.com> wrote:
# : I've been going through my inventory or 223 brass and have the following
# : brass headstamped as follows: MAL (Malaysian I assume),

# Not sure about the "MAL" headstamp. Malaysian seems likely...

MAL is indeed Malaysian.


Jared


John Will

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
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On 26 Dec 1997 21:18:57 -0500, "David P. Hummel, Sr."
<dhum...@davehummel.net> wrote:

#PSD is made by PMC but has a crimped primer. Pain in the butt to reload, I
#disposed of mine rather than reload it.

I've reloaded 1000's of rounds of .223 with crimped primers, including
PMC brass. I use the Dillon swager to reform the pockets, works
great. No need to toss that brass with the correct tools.

Arne Carlsten

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Dec 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/28/97
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MURPHEYSLW <murph...@aol.com> wrote:
: TZZ headstamp ammo (Israeli) was and still is issued to U.S. troops mostly

: what I have seen is .45 ammo though.


I haven't seen any of the TZZ .45 ball being issued for several years now.
Current GI stuff I've used has been "WCC xx" Olin-Winchester.

Never seen any TZZ 5.56mm or 7.62mm; late production ammunition I've been
issued was WCC or LC.

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