.308 Varmint, Remington 700, CZ 550 Kevlar???
Jake
This is my first post. I'm having a dilemma and would like some
opinions. I'm hoping to purchase a new rifle in the near future.
Here is what I'm sure that I want:
1. .308 winchester
2. Heavy barrel
3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
4. Bolt action
5. sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammo
6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
dollars)
I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
tailed deer in MN. I also like to punch holes in paper. I also like
that .308's in varmint rifles are fairly mainstream. The reason I
want a varmint setup is that they generally satisfy the heavy barrel
and accuracy criteria mentioned above. If the rifle meets what is
mentioned above, I won't be heartbroken if it is not specifically
called out as a "varmint" rifle.
Ok, now that the background is out of the way, let's get to the heart
of the matter. What would you guys recommend? Right now I am looking
at either a remington 700 varmint setup (probably one of the cheaper
versions, like an SPS) or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar in .308 win.
I like the Mauser action on the CZ. Are they still just modified long
actions or do they have pure short actions now? The CZ comes with an
HS Kevlar stock already installed. Does anybody have any experience
with the trigger on the CZ?
I like the Remington because aftermarket parts are so easy to find
(triggers, stocks, etc). The plan here would be to buy the SPS
varmint in .308 and add an HS stock, trigger job, etc. as money
becomes available.
Does anybody have any experience with either of these? Any
recommendations? Am I better off buying the CZ already set up, or am
I better off buying the SPS and creating a nice accurate rifle out of
it? How well does Remington's "matte blued" finish hold up? Is there
another manufacturer/model that I should be looking at?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jake
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Seems like you have pick good guns to try. I have had Remingtons and
they shoot great and all I have heard about CZ is excellance. If you
want an excellant rifle with bull barrel, try the Rugers they are in
you lower price range and have excellant accuracy and trigger pulls. I
have had two Rugers and they both will shoot less than a half inch.
Good luck and good shooting.
Cory
Trenton G. Twining
#>
# Ok, now that the background is out of the way, let's get to the heart
# of the matter. What would you guys recommend? Right now I am looking
# at either a remington 700 varmint setup (probably one of the cheaper
# versions, like an SPS) or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar in .308 win.
#
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#
# Does anybody have any experience with either of these? Any
# recommendations? Am I better off buying the CZ already set up, or am
# I better off buying the SPS and creating a nice accurate rifle out of
# it? How well does Remington's "matte blued" finish hold up? Is there
# another manufacturer/model that I should be looking at?
#
# Any advice is greatly appreciated.
#
Funny you should ask. Last week one of my students in "NRA FIRST
Steps, Rifle" brought a Remington 700 Varmint to class. I warned her
that I usually don't have students shoot a center-fire rifle on their
first day and explained my reasoning. But added that I'd evaluate her
shooting with the .22LR I'd brought and decide after we had completed
the prescribed course of fire for the class.
Her shooting with the .22 was exemplary, so after completing the course
shooting requirements, I agreed to coach her shooting the Remy and
sighted it in. It was, bar none, the best sight-in I've ever done:
2 shots to establish the center of a group, adjusted the sight and a
third shot to place a hole in the center of the target. Turned it over
to her. Then she proceeded to punch holes in the center of the target
at 100yds for a full magazine all 5rds in the 2" 10-ring; meaning none
>1" from her intended point of impact. This speaks well to her
aptitude and skill. And the rifle left very little to be desired for
firing accurately. The action was smooth and positive. That example
has me thinking of finding one like it. But I have to add that the CZs
always set my to drooling when I handle them.
--
"One owes respect to the living. To the dead, one owes only the truth."
- Voltaire, philosopher and writer (1694-1778)
Trenton G. Twining
JCM900
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84945371
They seem to fair well in reviews, for whatever that's worth.
-Minsan
Jake wrote:
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JCM900
http://www.chuckhawks.com/wby_vanguard_rifles.htm
-Minsan
Jake wrote:
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Pete
real run for the money.
Petw
Jim
cheapie Stevens, send it to Shaw for re-barrel and get a Timney
trigger installed. Stevens barrels are easy to change for the advanced
amatuer but I wouldn't recomend going there without the proper know-
how. For some more bux you can get a Savage/Stevens with wood stock
and target trigger.
Just no way I'd carry a heavy 26 inch barrel rifle deer hunting. The
heavy barrels are great for punching paper or shooting varmits off of
sand bags but much more than a pain in the donkey carrying all that
excess weight in the field.
If you just have to have a heavy 26 inch heavy barrel, the reason I
recomend Stevens is you will likely need to go the custom route and
need to change the factory barrel. Stevens actions are easy to work
without spending major bux on tools. Shaw sells barrel kits with the
proper headspace gauges and barrel wrench. You can easily recoup your
investment selling the gauges, barrel wrench and factory barrel on
Ebay or Gunbroker. My last Stevens barrel change cost me less than 20
bux after selling the tools and factory barrel on Ebay. I did get the
barrels on a closeout sale. If you buy the Shaw kit and decide you're
not up to doing it yourself. Send it to Shaw and they will install it
for free.
You don't need MOA accuracy to hit a deer in the killing zone. You may
want to consider two rifles and get yourself a nice lightweight 308
for deer hunting and keep the heavy cannon for the range or sedintary
varmit hunting.
Max Tindell
wrote:
#Here is what I'm sure that I want:
#
#1. .308 winchester
#2. Heavy barrel
#3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
#4. Bolt action
#5. sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammo
#6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
#dollars)
#
#I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
#tailed deer in MN. I also like to punch holes in paper.
It seems to me the rifle configuration you desire might be pretty
cumbersome for hunting, both because of weight and barrel length.
Although it has a much shorter barrel the Remington 700 LTR ( if still
available) might be more versatile. Even with the 20" barrel it will
shoot sub moa groups
Bill Poole
.......
#What would you guys recommend?
# at either a remington 700 varmint setup ... or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar
# Is there another manufacturer/model that I should be looking at?
Savage are usually the least expensive and in the reviews in the magazines
always have the best accuracy, and that trigger is good I've heard... but
they are butt-ugly!!!!!!!! I don't own one
the Kimber 84M Long Master REALLY looked nice in the store.... if there was
a little more in my bank account it would really look nice on my bench at
the range..... I don't own one yet
That T/C Icon looks nice but its a lighter weight sporter. I don't own one
yet.
Winchester is supposed to resume US production in mid 2008, they'll probably
start with light weight sporters. I LIKE model 70's!
Ruger has something too, but I cannot comment on the accuracy, I don't own
one
Kimber, Savage, Ruger and Remington are US MADE if that is important to you
CZ is CZech made,
Remington .308 barrels are reportedly cut to chamber the longest bullet
ever loaded since the history of metallic cartridges and when using factory
or even handload 2.800" oal MATCH bullets you get about 1/8" jump to the
rifling. one of my friends had his favorite gunsmith set the factory barrel
back a thread & rechamber when he made his 700 into a silhouette rifle.
shoot good
Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/
JDH
# I like the Mauser action on the CZ. Are they still just modified long
# actions or do they have pure short actions now? The CZ comes with an
# HS Kevlar stock already installed. Does anybody have any experience
# with the trigger on the CZ?
#
# I like the Remington because aftermarket parts are so easy to find
# (triggers, stocks, etc). The plan here would be to buy the SPS
# varmint in .308 and add an HS stock, trigger job, etc. as money
# becomes available.
#
# Does anybody have any experience with either of these? Any
# recommendations? Am I better off buying the CZ already set up, or am
# I better off buying the SPS and creating a nice accurate rifle out of
# it? How well does Remington's "matte blued" finish hold up? Is there
# another manufacturer/model that I should be looking at?
#
# Any advice is greatly appreciated.
#
#
# Thanks,
#
# Jake
I had a Rem 700 VS, I have a CZ550 Varmint Laminate. The trigger is
much better on the CZ in the unset mode than the Remington. In the set
mode it is crisp and light.
The action is a medium length, not a long action with a spacer in the mag.
With factory ammo the CZ is a little more accurate.
I much prefer the CZ. It was less expensive than the Remington (and you
won't have to spend more to get the stock).
The guy who bought my Remington is happy with it. He gets 3/4 to 1 MOA
out of it with his loads. The CZ needs a better scope and a little load
development. Then it should do 1/2 MOA. With factory ammo and a Tacso
World class scope it it doing 3/4 MOA out of the box.
Jerry
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Get the Savage 10 FP. Not as pretty as the Rem 700 but cheaper and,
unless you're lucky with the Rem, the Savage will outshoot it.
X15
wrote:
#Hey all,
#
#This is my first post. I'm having a dilemma and would like some
#opinions. I'm hoping to purchase a new rifle in the near future.
#Here is what I'm sure that I want:
#
#1. .308 winchester
#2. Heavy barrel
#3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
#4. Bolt action
#5. sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammo
#6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
#dollars)
#
#I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
#tailed deer in MN. I also like to punch holes in paper. I also like
#that .308's in varmint rifles are fairly mainstream. The reason I
#want a varmint setup is that they generally satisfy the heavy barrel
#and accuracy criteria mentioned above. If the rifle meets what is
#mentioned above, I won't be heartbroken if it is not specifically
#called out as a "varmint" rifle.
#
#Ok, now that the background is out of the way, let's get to the heart
#of the matter. What would you guys recommend? Right now I am looking
#at either a remington 700 varmint setup (probably one of the cheaper
#versions, like an SPS) or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar in .308 win.
#
I've had way too many problems with Remingtons to ever recommend them.
CZ makes a damned fine rifle at a decent price.
Have you considered a Savage?
I've got a Savage 10FP-LE2A with a Leupold 8.5-25x 50mm target scope
that throws .308 Federal GMM 168 gr like a laser at 300yrds.
http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/NomenRules/Guns/?action=view¤t=300YardSavage10FP.jpg
The gun is stock factory, unmodified except for adding the scope.
It ain't light, but it carries well with a tactical sling.
Disclaimer: I live 3 miles from the Savage factory and occasionally
shoot with some of the engineers.
nb...@bigfoot.com
trenton...@sbcglobal.net says...
# Jake wrote:
# #>
# # at either a remington 700 varmint setup (probably one of the cheaper
# # versions, like an SPS) or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar in .308 win.
# #
I have a Remington SPS (non-varmint barrel) in 204 Ruger that in stock
form gives me 1/2" MOA at 100 yards with Hornady factory ammo.
Absolutley no complaints at all.
spam...@rrohio.com
says...
# Hey all,
#
# This is my first post. I'm having a dilemma and would like some
# opinions. I'm hoping to purchase a new rifle in the near future.
# Here is what I'm sure that I want:
#
# 1. .308 winchester
# 2. Heavy barrel
# 3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
# 4. Bolt action
# 5. sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammo
# 6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
# dollars)
#
# I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
I like my Sendero Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum. I should have got it in
308, but the thing shoots 10 shot touching groups at 100 yards with hand
loaded ammo.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
Jake
regarding the weight of this rifle configuration, and it's use for
deer hunting, I will clarify. I hunt primarily from a stand. My walk
is about a quarter mile, so not too far. An extra 3 pounds for this
walk does not scare me a whole lot. Also, I have a nice bench to
shoot from in my stand and there are several spots where I could have
shots out to 300 yards. I do have a Ruger Synthetic and SS M77 Mark
II in 30-06 that will still be available for those days where I have a
longer walk or just don't feel like carrying the cannon. The main
reason that I want this configuration is I would like to have a rifle
to reach out and touch something, performs well on paper, etc. and is
a .308, well, just because I want a .308.
So far, it sounds like nobody has anything bad to say about CZ. The
feedback on the Remington is as expected, some good some bad, pretty
much everybody has used one at some point and there is a ton of
aftermarket stuff available.
It sounds like I should add Savage to my list of what to consider.
I guess it's another one of those CZ, Remington, Savage, all are good,
just pick your favorite type of arguments. Right now I am leaning
toward the CZ, simply because it comes complete, no added stock,
trigger, etc.
Thanks again,
Wayne
"Jake" <jml...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fhae9u$rtr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Hey all,
#
# This is my first post. I'm having a dilemma and would like some
# opinions. I'm hoping to purchase a new rifle in the near future.
# Here is what I'm sure that I want:
#
# 1. .308 winchester
# 2. Heavy barrel
# 3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
# 4. Bolt action
# 6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
# dollars)
#
# I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
# tailed deer in MN. I also like to punch holes in paper. I also like
# that .308's in varmint rifles are fairly mainstream. The reason I
# want a varmint setup is that they generally satisfy the heavy barrel
# and accuracy criteria mentioned above. If the rifle meets what is
# mentioned above, I won't be heartbroken if it is not specifically
# called out as a "varmint" rifle.
#
# Ok, now that the background is out of the way, let's get to the heart
# of the matter. What would you guys recommend? Right now I am looking
# at either a remington 700 varmint setup (probably one of the cheaper
# versions, like an SPS) or a CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar in .308 win.
#
# I like the Mauser action on the CZ. Are they still just modified long
# actions or do they have pure short actions now? The CZ comes with an
# HS Kevlar stock already installed. Does anybody have any experience
# with the trigger on the CZ?
#
# I like the Remington because aftermarket parts are so easy to find
# (triggers, stocks, etc). The plan here would be to buy the SPS
# varmint in .308 and add an HS stock, trigger job, etc. as money
# becomes available.
#
# recommendations? Am I better off buying the CZ already set up, or am
# I better off buying the SPS and creating a nice accurate rifle out of
# it? How well does Remington's "matte blued" finish hold up? Is there
# another manufacturer/model that I should be looking at?
#
# Any advice is greatly appreciated.
#
#
# Thanks,
#
# Jake
At our range, the little old lady that outshoots about 99% of the cops (and
everybody else) uses a Howa .308. An excellent rifle.
Bill Jungbauer
I am very happy with my Rem. 700. I have no experience with the CZ. There is
no reason to spend money on a new trigger for the 700. Joe's Sporting Goods
in Little Canada, MN has a great gunsmith and he did a trigger job on my
stock 700 trigger and it is sweet! I have a 700 BDL in 30-06 and my best
five round group to date at 100 yards measured 0.787" with factory Hornady
180gr SP.
You can also find the information online to do the trigger job yourself.
Bill Jungbauer
> ...
Max Tindell
wrote:
#So far, it sounds like nobody has anything bad to say about CZ. The
#feedback on the Remington is as expected, some good some bad, pretty
#much everybody has used one at some point and there is a ton of
#aftermarket stuff available.
Although far different from what you are looking for, I had a CZ527
.223 that was troublesome. The stock inletting was off around the
cutout for the box magazine and the rifle would not feed properly.
C & E
"Max Tindell" <max...@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
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# On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:50:06 +0000 (UTC), Jake <jml...@gmail.com>
# wrote:
#
# #Here is what I'm sure that I want:
# #
# #1. .308 winchester
# #2. Heavy barrel
# #3. Longer barrel is preferred (i.e. 24 to 26 inches)
# #4. Bolt action
# #5. sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammo
# #6. don't break the bank (i.e. under $1000, preferably 600 to 700
# #dollars)
# #
# #I want the .308 winchester for versatility. I primarily hunt white-
#
# It seems to me the rifle configuration you desire might be pretty
# cumbersome for hunting, both because of weight and barrel length.
#
# Although it has a much shorter barrel the Remington 700 LTR ( if still
# available) might be more versatile. Even with the 20" barrel it will
# shoot sub moa groups
Good points from Max. I know that heavy barrels are sought after for their
head dissipation and their stability but, unless you are shooting prairie
dogs you don't need that degree of heat dissipation. As far as stability,
use a bipod or a shooting stix product and you will be able to walk around
the woodchuck/ groundhog fields for a lot longer than if you are lugging 10+
pounds of iron. I can testify to that and my Rem VBDL is only a 223.
Helmetv...@gmail.com
I have a CZ75B 9mm hand gun. After shooting the gun against a a lot
of other guns, I am very happy with the gun. With that being said, I
have been in the same dilema as you. After much discussion with
fellow shooters, I have decided to order up the CZ with the 308. A
Leupold scope with 1000 meters range is my next purchase as soon as
the get the CZ. I can not say enough about the guns they produce. I
am very happy with the CZ that I also purchased a 45 ACP hand gun.
(Value for the guns are great!)
Best of luck.