Spanish Mauser 1916 in .308
Amen
Does anyone on this thread have any experience with the Spanish Mauser, small
ring, non-98 type, chambered in .308 for the Civil Guard.
Has anyone fired the said rifle in full-load .308 without any signs of over pressure
or sticky bolt?
SOG is currently selling these for $99.
Amen
gunrunner
Amen wrote:
#
# Does anyone on this thread have any experience with the Spanish Mauser, small
# ring, non-98 type, chambered in .308 for the Civil Guard.
# Has anyone fired the said rifle in full-load .308 without any signs of over pressure
# or sticky bolt?
#
# SOG is currently selling these for $99.
#
# Amen
You are probably talking about the SPANISH MODEL 43/44, made at the
LaCoruna Mauser plant in Spain. Originally in the 7.92 mm caliber, this
puppy is a good buy, especially chambered in .308. I warn you though -
IT KICKS!
Randy
Amen wrote:
#
# Does anyone on this thread have any experience with the Spanish Mauser, small
# ring, non-98 type, chambered in .308 for the Civil Guard.
# Has anyone fired the said rifle in full-load .308 without any signs of over pressure
# or sticky bolt?
#
# SOG is currently selling these for $99.
#
# Amen
I have had one of these for about 10 years. At the time I got it there
was some Brazilian 308 around that was about 135,000 psi. There was
plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I shot a
box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black and blue.
I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
The rifles come with a beautiful walnut stock and are in good shape.
Mine also came with a lot of copper in the bore. Expect to spend a few
evenings with copper solvent.
I have fired this in competition that required rapid fire. Military NATO
ammo works great. For rapid operation with bullets that are on the right
side of the magazine pointed bullets are necessary when loaded from a
stripper. Other than pointed bullets can hang up on the barrell
This is a good deal.
Randy
Rodney C Hardiman
gunrunner <gunr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
#Amen wrote:
##
## Does anyone on this thread have any experience with the Spanish Mauser, small
## ring, non-98 type, chambered in .308 for the Civil Guard.
## Has anyone fired the said rifle in full-load .308 without any signs of over pressure
## or sticky bolt?
##
## SOG is currently selling these for $99.
##
## Amen
#You are probably talking about the SPANISH MODEL 43/44, made at the
#LaCoruna Mauser plant in Spain. Originally in the 7.92 mm caliber, this
#puppy is a good buy, especially chambered in .308. I warn you though -
#IT KICKS!
No, he's talking about just what he said, the 1916 Mauser, 95 Action,
originally in 7x57mm. The common belief is that this action is not
safe for use with full .308 loads. The Spaniard's used these guns
with a reduced load called 7.62 NATO CETME.
They are great handling little guns, but I wouldn't go near one unless
I could load my own reduced .308's for it.
Rod
KYRIEELLIS
In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com>
writes:
#I have had one of these for about 10 years. At the time I got it there
#was some Brazilian 308 around that was about 135,000 psi. There was
#plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I shot a
#box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black and blue.
# I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
#and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
Gentlemen, please note the sentence "I also had a hard time extracting
the cases." used immediately before the sentence "The rifle held together
and is still safe to shoot.".
Anybody else get cold chills?
Gale Barrows
ngu...@ghgcorp.com (Amen) wrote:
#Does anyone on this thread have any experience with the Spanish Mauser, small
#ring, non-98 type, chambered in .308 for the Civil Guard.
#Has anyone fired the said rifle in full-load .308 without any signs of over pressure
#or sticky bolt?
#SOG is currently selling these for $99.
#Amen
I have fired several of the non-98 rifles redone by the Spanish
arsenals to 7.62 . I have had no problems after several hundred
rounsds through each and over 1,500 through one. I do restrict the
ammo to military issue ammo or handloaded equivalent with similar
pressures, bullets, and velocities.
Jay Roehl
kyrie...@aol.com (KYRIEELLIS) wrote:
#In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com>
#writes:
#
##I have had one of these for about 10 years. At the time I got it there
##was some Brazilian 308 around that was about 135,000 psi. There was
##plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I shot a
##box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black and blue.
#
## I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
##and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
#
# Gentlemen, please note the sentence "I also had a hard time extracting
#the cases." used immediately before the sentence "The rifle held together
#and is still safe to shoot.".
#
# Anybody else get cold chills?
#
Hey KYRIEELLIS, it might be about time again to relate your
experience with these rifles. Many times people on this
forum ask for a personal experience as opposed to hearsay
(and with good reason I might add) about a particular
problem etc. KYRIE has one story that will really wake you
up, I know it did me. These rifles may be as good as people
say, I had one myself, but be careful there is some
confusion as to the proper ammunition that should be used
in this rifle. Just my .02 worth.
Keith Whaley
KYRIEELLIS wrote:
#
# In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com>
# writes:
#
# #I have had one of these for about 10 years. At the time I got it there
# #was some Brazilian 308 around that was about 135,000 psi. There was
# #plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I shot a
# #box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black and blue.
#
# # I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
# #and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
#
# Gentlemen, please note the sentence "I also had a hard time extracting
# and is still safe to shoot.".
#
# Anybody else get cold chills?
I got mine when I read the 135,000 psi. I sure hope that was a typo!
There are no small arms ammo makers who make (or likely HAVE made)
any 135,000 psi ammo. . .
Further, it is a TOTAL fallacy to assume that because it "held together" that
is "is still safe to shoot."
The opinion of someone who shoots hot stuff in a relatively weak gun and
says it's now deemed a safe load because the didn't blow up, is not someone
whose word I'd totally trust. . .
keith
KYRIEELLIS
In article <5371oh$h...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, barr...@rapidnet.com (Gale
Barrows) writes:
#I have fired several of the non-98 rifles redone by the Spanish
#arsenals to 7.62 . I have had no problems after several hundred
#rounsds through each and over 1,500 through one. I do restrict the
#ammo to military issue ammo or handloaded equivalent with similar
#pressures, bullets, and velocities.
Just be aware that issue ammo was a 113 grain bullet at 2500 FPS, and a
maximum chamber pressure of 42,000 CUP.
Regards,
Kyrie
KYRIEELLIS
In article <5371p5$h...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Jay Roehl <jro...@cris.com>
writes:
#kyrie...@aol.com (KYRIEELLIS) wrote:
##In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com>
##writes:
##
<snip>
##
### I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
###and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
##
## Gentlemen, please note the sentence "I also had a hard time
extracting
##the cases." used immediately before the sentence "The rifle held
together
##and is still safe to shoot.".
##
## Anybody else get cold chills?
##
#
#
#Hey KYRIEELLIS, it might be about time again to relate your
#experience with these rifles. Many times people on this
#forum ask for a personal experience as opposed to hearsay
#(and with good reason I might add) about a particular
#problem etc. KYRIE has one story that will really wake you
#up, I know it did me. These rifles may be as good as people
#say, I had one myself, but be careful there is some
#confusion as to the proper ammunition that should be used
#in this rifle. Just my .02 worth.
The short version is a barrel blown free of the action and a bystander
severely injured.
It's a rather long story and, rather than post it again and PO all the
folks who have already read it more than once <g>, I strongly recommend
that anyone with a Spanish rifle chambered for the "7.62x51" go to:
http://www.dejanews.com/forms/dnsetfilter.html
and query on newsgroup = rec.guns and subject = Spanish. The complete
story can be found there, as well as much information on the 7.62x51 NATO
and the 7.62x51 NATO (CETME).
Regards,
Kyrie
Randy
Keith Whaley wrote:
#
# KYRIEELLIS wrote:
# #
# # In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com>
# # writes:
# #
# # #plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I shot a
# # #box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black and blue.
# #
# # # I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
# # #and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
# ##
# # Anybody else get cold chills?
#
# I got mine when I read the 135,000 psi. I sure hope that was a typo!
# There are no small arms ammo makers who make (or likely HAVE made)
# any 135,000 psi ammo. . .
#
# Further, it is a TOTAL fallacy to assume that because it "held together" that
# is "is still safe to shoot."
# The opinion of someone who shoots hot stuff in a relatively weak gun and
# says it's now deemed a safe load because the didn't blow up, is not someone
# whose word I'd totally trust. . .
#
# keith
Boys ,
No one would shoot this CBC Brazilian ammo on purpose. I found out about
the over pressure about 2 months after I disposed of it. The warnings
were all over in 1980 or 1981. I was pleased that I survived. The gun
Magnafluxed and head spaced. Just because you haven't had an experience
doesn't mean I didn't.
Now I would never recommened that some one shoot missmarked proof rounds
or what ever these were, that is surely being foolish.
And about you not trusting my word, go f*ck yourself.
Randy
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Schultzie
I wonder if there are any commercially made, factory loaded .308
cartridges available that would be safer to shoot in this
configuration.
Target .308?
Tactical .308?
.308 Light?
Unleaded .308?
Non-Fat .308?
.308 with Training Wheels?
On another tangent,
Schultzie
KYRIEELLIS
Randy,
Permit me to share some information...
The action upon which the M1916 was built was intended for use with the
early 7x57 Mauser cartridge, which was loaded to a maximum chamber
pressure of less than 38,000 psi/37,500 CUP
These actions were rebarreled, by Spain, to a cartridge with a maximum
chamber pressure of less than 49,805 psi/42,000 CUP
It has been claimed that a M1916 was tested by an independent lab, and
blew up when one round which reached 90,000 psi.
Yet you claim to have fired "a box" of 7.62x51 which generated
pressures of "about 135,000 psi" in a Spanish Model 1916, and that the
rifle "Magnafluxed and head spaced" as undamaged.
I hope you can understand why people are skeptical.
On another topic, Keith wrote that he didn't "totally trust" your
opinion. You responded with "go f*ck yourself". This uncalled for and
juvenile response speaks volumes about how much weight your opinions
should be given.
With that said, here is another opportunity for you to demonstrate your
level of maturity.
I can believe that you both owned a M1916, and that you fired some
variety of milsurp 7.62x51 ammunition in it. I can even believe that the
rifle showed no obvious signs of damage afterwards. What I can't believe
is that you fired *any* quantity of ammuntion with a chamber pressure of
135,000 psi in your M1916. I also have a hard time believing that you took
the time, trouble, and expense to magnaflux the barreled action of a $69
rifle. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but there it is.
Kyrie
## In article <530g7v$3...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Randy
##<roe...@sprintmail.com> writes:
##
##I have had one of these for about 10 years. At the time I got it there
##was some Brazilian 308 around that was about 135,000 psi. There
##was plenty of warning that came out when HK's started to blow up. I
##shot a box before then. In 5 shots I got about a square foot of black
##and blue.
##
## I also had a hard time extracting the cases. The rifle held together
##and is still safe to shoot. Thats quite a recommendation.
#Keith Whaley wrote:
# I got mine [cold chills - Kyrie] when I read the 135,000 psi. I sure
hope
#that was a typo! There are no small arms ammo makers who make (or
#likely HAVE made) any 135,000 psi ammo. . .
# Further, it is a TOTAL fallacy to assume that because it "held together"
#that is "is still safe to shoot."
# The opinion of someone who shoots hot stuff in a relatively weak gun
#and says it's now deemed a safe load because the didn't blow up, is not
#someone whose word I'd totally trust. . .
#Boys ,
#
#No one would shoot this CBC Brazilian ammo on purpose. I found out
#about the over pressure about 2 months after I disposed of it. The
#warnings were all over in 1980 or 1981. I was pleased that I survived.
#The gun Magnafluxed and head spaced. Just because you haven't had
#an experience doesn't mean I didn't.
#
#
#Now I would never recommened that some one shoot missmarked
#proof rounds
or what ever these were, that is surely being foolish.
#
#
#And about you not trusting my word, go f*ck yourself.
#
#
#Randy
Ted Keller
On a side note...
Since metal is malleable, isn't is possible to stretch the chamber
without cracking the metal. If so, magnaflux would show no cracks.
Is it also possible that the chamber is expanding radially (chamber
larger in diameter), not along the axis (headspace ok)? If so, the
metal could be reaching a bursting point without you even knowing it
(like blowing up a balloon, sudden pop!).
I agree that knowingly shooting overpressure rounds is foolish.
However, the magnaflux and headspace checks may not be the total
answer to checking the firearm's safety.
Just some points to consider...
Ted
[snip alot of other discussion]
: No one would shoot this CBC Brazilian ammo on purpose. I found out about
: the over pressure about 2 months after I disposed of it. The warnings
: were all over in 1980 or 1981. I was pleased that I survived. The gun
: Magnafluxed and head spaced. Just because you haven't had an experience
^^^^^^^^^^^
: doesn't mean I didn't.
: Now I would never recommened that some one shoot missmarked proof rounds
: or what ever these were, that is surely being foolish.
[deleted sentence with obcenities]
: Randy
Randy
Dear Kyrie,
I knew that you would get your need to be an expert up and answer my post
so I spent a few bucks on the phone today and talked to Bernie the Tech
Rep at Century Arms today. Century Imported my gun and marked it .308
Win. Not 7.62 CETME or anything else. They have sold thousands repeat
thousands of M1916's and FR-7's and have recommended 7.62 NATO for all of
them. They report very few problems. If you are saying that they have
intentionally mismarked rifles and endangered the public you seem to be
taking on some liability yourself. Is that what you are saying. I
certainly wouldn't want to be the armchair gunsmith who made that charge.
Now I can't verify the pressure of the lot af CBC ammo that was recalled,
but I do know that the warning flier said 135,000 psi(I believe it was
this and not CUP). I can go back in my diary and find out the lot number
but instead call Bernie. I don't want to publish his number but e-mail me
and I'll give it to you.
I didn't pay $69.00 as you said and doubt if they have ever sold for
that.
And incase you have never used magnafluxing its very easy. You dissamble
the bolt, walk out of your office, hand the bolt body to the magnaflux
tech and ask him to inspect it. Later in the year you buy him and his
wife a drink at the annual Christmas party. Magnafluxing is messy so you
clean well before reassembly.
I still say that this rifle is a good deal and safe to shoot with 7.62
NATO or 308 Win.
Now please stop boosting your ego on my back.
Randy
K. Karcich
In <53blhb$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kyrie...@aol.com (KYRIEELLIS) writes:
# I can believe that you both owned a M1916, and that you fired some
#variety of milsurp 7.62x51 ammunition in it. I can even believe that the
#rifle showed no obvious signs of damage afterwards. What I can't believe
#is that you fired *any* quantity of ammuntion with a chamber pressure of
#135,000 psi in your M1916. I also have a hard time believing that you took
#the time, trouble, and expense to magnaflux the barreled action of a $69
#rifle. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but there it is.
Well said, Kyrie. The fact is that there are few modern bolt actions that
will stay together at this pressure level seems to have escaped our
correspondant. The brass case would have disintegrated at this pressure
and its doubtful that the M1916 or the person who claims to have been
holding the gun would be around to make these claims if even one such
cartridge had been fired.
regards, Ken Karcich
KYRIE...@aol.com
Randy,
Since you seem either unwilling or unable to go to either altavista or
dejanews to review the traffic on this subject, let me repeat for you my main
points.
1) I think that firing cartridges which have a maximum pressures of 50,000
psi (7.62x51 NATO) or 60,000 psi (.308 Winchester) in an action originally
intended for a cartridge which was limited to a maximum pressure of less than
40,000 psi is potentially dangerous.
2) It appears that there are a number of folks who don't know about these
pressures, and may be unaware of the risk they may be taking. I post this
information only so that these folks will be in a position to make an
informed decision on what kind of load to use in their Spanish M1916's
3) If people read the pressure information I've shared and still feel it's
safe to fire 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester in their M1916, that's their business
and I wish them well.
That's it - that is my entire message. It's not about ego, "experts",
personal attacks, or one-up-man-ship; it's about personal safety, and having
enough information to make choices.
Which brings us up to date - I've posted the information, you have read
it, and you've made your choice. As far as I'm concerned that closes the loop
and we're done. Was there anything else you felt we needed to discuss?
Kyrie
Adam.C.F...@cpmx.saic.com
#I got mine when I read the 135,000 psi. I sure hope that was a typo!
#There are no small arms ammo makers who make (or likely HAVE made)
#any 135,000 psi ammo. . .
#
#Further, it is a TOTAL fallacy to assume that because it "held together" that
#is "is still safe to shoot."
#The opinion of someone who shoots hot stuff in a relatively weak gun and
#says it's now deemed a safe load because the didn't blow up, is not someone
#whose word I'd totally trust. . .
#
#keith
#
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And this from a former products liability lawyer!)
Adam
Randy
Ted Keller wrote:
#
# On a side note...
#
# Since metal is malleable, isn't is possible to stretch the chamber
# without cracking the metal. If so, magnaflux would show no cracks.
#
# Is it also possible that the chamber is expanding radially (chamber
# larger in diameter), not along the axis (headspace ok)? If so, the
# metal could be reaching a bursting point without you even knowing it
# (like blowing up a balloon, sudden pop!).
#
# I agree that knowingly shooting overpressure rounds is foolish.
# However, the magnaflux and headspace checks may not be the total
# answer to checking the firearm's safety.
#
# Just some points to consider...
# Ted
#
#
# : RandyDear Ted.
Thanks for your post. I agree that these may have not been the most
complete set of tests but it gave me confidence to try the rifle again.
With normal pressure reloads and factory rounds this gun has proved more
than satisfactory.
The origional post that I responded to asked if someone had one, if they
liked it and was it safe. I recalled a scary experience. I survived,
the gun survived, and after about 800 rounds since this accident I am
satisfied.
Now if people really want to argue I have a M1903 low number match rifle
that has been in regular use for more than 20 years. No sighs of the
famous cracked receivers.
Yours truly.
Randy
Arne Carlsten
Randy <roe...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
: Dear Kyrie,
: I knew that you would get your need to be an expert up and answer my post
: so I spent a few bucks on the phone today and talked to Bernie the Tech
: Rep at Century Arms today. Century Imported my gun and marked it .308
: Win. Not 7.62 CETME or anything else. They have sold thousands repeat
: thousands of M1916's and FR-7's and have recommended 7.62 NATO for all of
: them. They report very few problems. If you are saying that they have
: intentionally mismarked rifles and endangered the public you seem to be
: taking on some liability yourself. Is that what you are saying. I
: certainly wouldn't want to be the armchair gunsmith who made that charge.
So owning a stamp that says ".308 Win" makes it OK?
What _exactly_ are "Bernie the Tech Rep"'s qualifications to decide as to
what "very few problems" would be? What exactly were these "very few
problems"? Kyrie's witnessed, and posted an account of, a failure
involving one of these rifles that resulted in the maiming of an
innocent bystander. Did "Bernie" mention that incident in your
conversation?
Did "Bernie" point out that the Spanish military used the 7.62mmx51 CETME
load in these rifles, and _not_ the 7.62mm NATO load? Did he point out
that the CETME load uses a 112 gr bullet at about 2500 fps versus the 150
grain bullet at 2800 fps of the NATO loading; and that the NATO loading is
of much higher pressure than the CETME? Did he say anything about either
Spain or Century Arms having proofed these rifles for the NATO/.308
Winchester load?
And for that matter, what are your qualifications in this matter? That
you didn't blow yourself up?
: Now I can't verify the pressure of the lot af CBC ammo that was recalled,
: but I do know that the warning flier said 135,000 psi(I believe it was
: this and not CUP). I can go back in my diary and find out the lot number
: but instead call Bernie. I don't want to publish his number but e-mail me
: and I'll give it to you.
As I recall, it was _Cavim_, from Venezuela, that was recalling 7.62mm
NATO they'd exported to the US that was blowing up rifles. And it
wasn't _every_ round that was causing problems, but a mere handful.
135,000 psi exceeds the US GI _proof_ load (67,500 psi) for the 7.62mm
NATO by a factor of two. It's far in excess of the pressures (around
75,000-80,000 psi) at which brass cases will flow and rupture. So, to be
blunt, I have grave doubts you fired anything other than the normal 50,000
psi or so loading the manufacturer intended to produce. And _that_
managed to cause signs of excessive pressure in your rifle.
Which is still in excess of what the Spanish converters of the M1916s and
FR-7s intended the rifles to be used with.
: I didn't pay $69.00 as you said and doubt if they have ever sold for
: that.
Century Arms was advertising them for $69 or $79 (".308 Win" M1916s) back
around 1986 or '87.
: And incase you have never used magnafluxing its very easy. You dissamble
: the bolt, walk out of your office, hand the bolt body to the magnaflux
: tech and ask him to inspect it. Later in the year you buy him and his
: wife a drink at the annual Christmas party. Magnafluxing is messy so you
: clean well before reassembly.
Did you bother to have the receiver ring, the typical site of set-back in
Mauser actions, magnafluxed? You _did_ know about that part, didn't you?
: I still say that this rifle is a good deal and safe to shoot with 7.62
: NATO or 308 Win.
: Now please stop boosting your ego on my back.
I thought rational argument, involving facts, opinions, the interchange of
information and all of that might work. Usually it does. But in the case
of persons who are assholes, such as yourself, it occasionally fails.
--
Arne Gustav Carlsten
Flagstaff, Arizona
Chomh da/na le muc...
Howard Croy
OK Kyrie and everybody else that is on this thread, here is my problem..
I bought (in my darkest ignorance) one of the Spanish F-8's. Not knowing
any better I just went out and shot about 150 rounds of the Norinco
cheapy .308 through it. Bang, bang, bang etc.. now what do I do? Have I
been a human proof test and the gun has passed muster?
Or is each shot pushing back the headspace and I'm two rounds from
having a F-8 bolt firmly implanted in my forehead? And, if this is a
time-bomb gun, how can I safely dispose of it? Fill the barrel with
molten lead and throw it into the sea? I really like this gun, it was
cheap, powerful, fairly accurate, and rough as a corn cob so you could
throw it into the pick-up and forget about it. I should have known it
was to good to be true.....
Howard
gunrunner
Howard Croy wrote:
#
# OK Kyrie and everybody else that is on this thread, here is my problem..
# I bought (in my darkest ignorance) one of the Spanish F-8's. Not knowing any better
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Inspite of the resident "experts" on this newsgroup, you have a weapon
with only ONE problem - it kicks too hard!
All Spanish Mausers which have been imported into this country in the
past 5 years have been are safe and can shoot normal pressure loads. We
are a "Corporate Armory". We have checked 1,000's of these surplus
weapons and very few have been unshootable.
Not to say you won't find a lemon in the paper or a gun show, but be
assured that the importers (SOG, CENTURY, NORTHRIDGE, PACIFIC
INTERNATIONAL or ARLINGTON) of these surplus weapons wouldn't put a
bunch of crap on the streets as only a few lawsuits would put them (and
us) out of business!
Be that as it may, if you are worried, have a COMPETENT gunsmith check
out your weapon. After all, the only opinion worth staking your life
on; is your own!
Alexander Eichener
On 14 Oct 1996, Howard Croy wrote:
# OK Kyrie and everybody else that is on this thread, here is my problem..
# I bought (in my darkest ignorance) one of the Spanish F-8's. Not knowing
Your problem, Howard, is not the FR-8, but rather that you have
not read Larry's postings properly. He was talking about the converted
M 1916 and the FR-7, not about the FR-8 which uses an 98/43 action.
Regards,
--
Alexander Eichener
al...@oink.rhein.de
gunrunner
Kirk Andrews wrote:
#
#
# # time-bomb gun, how can I safely dispose of it?...
#
# For those of you losing sleep from the "alarmists'" comments on the
# Spanish FR8, please email me. I'll pay shipping on your gun if you send
# it to me and you can then rest easy.
# Kirk.
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Ya! Good idea - I'll buy all the FR-8's I can get! Call me at 1 800
SURVIVAL.
Randy
gunrunner wrote:
#
# Howard Croy wrote:
# #
# # I bought (in my darkest ignorance) one of the Spanish F-8's. Not knowing any better
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#
# Inspite of the resident "experts" on this newsgroup, you have a weapon
# with only ONE problem - it kicks too hard!
#
# All Spanish Mausers which have been imported into this country in the
# past 5 years have been are safe and can shoot normal pressure loads. We
# are a "Corporate Armory". We have checked 1,000's of these surplus
# weapons and very few have been unshootable.
#
# Not to say you won't find a lemon in the paper or a gun show, but be
# assured that the importers (SOG, CENTURY, NORTHRIDGE, PACIFIC
# INTERNATIONAL or ARLINGTON) of these surplus weapons wouldn't put a
# bunch of crap on the streets as only a few lawsuits would put them (and
# us) out of business!
#
# Be that as it may, if you are worried, have a COMPETENT gunsmith check
# out your weapon. After all, the only opinion worth staking your life
# on; is your own!
Thank You for this information. This gun is made for the NATO not the
CETME round as someone else said. This CETME round is made with a 113 gr
bullet and it is too short to function in the M1916 magazine. Shoot
these babies up and then spread on the Ben Gay.
Randy
Randy
Howard Croy wrote:
#
# I bought (in my darkest ignorance) one of the Spanish F-8's. Not knowing
# cheapy .308 through it. Bang, bang, bang etc.. now what do I do? Have I
# been a human proof test and the gun has passed muster?
# Or is each shot pushing back the headspace and I'm two rounds from
# having a F-8 bolt firmly implanted in my forehead? And, if this is a
# time-bomb gun, how can I safely dispose of it? Fill the barrel with
# molten lead and throw it into the sea? I really like this gun, it was
# cheap, powerful, fairly accurate, and rough as a corn cob so you could
# throw it into the pick-up and forget about it. I should have known it
# was to good to be true.....
# Howard
Shoot it, shoot it, shoot it, clean it, shoot it, shoot it shoot it,
clean it, shoot it, stop and grin, shoot it, shoot it, clean it
Randy
KYRIEELLIS
In article <54m17s$m...@xring.cs.umd.edu> <roe...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
#Thank You for this information. This gun is made for the NATO not the
#CETME round as someone else said. This CETME round is made with
#a 113 gr bullet and it is too short to function in the M1916 magazine.
Sorry Randy, but you have pounced on another wrong conclusion :-)
The 7.62x51 NATO (CETME) is the same LOA as the 7.62x51 NATO. Do you
suppose that's why the different cartridges share the nomenclature "x51" ?
<g>
On a more technical note, the folks at CETME managed to obtain the
bullet length/profile of the 147 grain NATO bullet with their 113 grain
bullet by using a shorter lead core and a plastic filler in the nose of
the bullet.
#Shoot these babies up and then spread on the Ben Gay.
Pardon me for asking, but what size hypo would one use to "shoot up" a
Model 1916? :-)
Kyrie