Have you ever heard of 7.35 caliber?
Gaetano Liberatore
My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
a top loaded 5 round clip.
John Schilling
#My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
#on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
#a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
#of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
#Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
#Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
#a top loaded 5 round clip.
I am not familiar with that particular rifle, but 7.35mm was a standard
caliber for Italian rifles and machine guns during WWII. So it wouldn't
surprise me to find it in a rifle of that era. AFIK, the caliber was
never widely used outside of Italy, and ammunition may not be easy to
find here. Though probably not impossible.
The 7.35mm x ??? cartridge was intended as a replacement for the 6.5mm
cartridge that was used during WWI and the colonial conflicts of the
interwar era. The latter cartridge, while demonstrably adequate for
offing presidents with 85-meter head shots, came up short against attacking
Ethiopian tribesmen, etc. The 7.35mm was chosen as a replacement, on
the grounds that it was the largest caliber which could be used without
a major redesign of existing weapons.
In practice, while many rfles were made in 7.35mm, and many more 6.5mm
weapons rebarreled for the larger cartridge, the two were used in
parallel, which lead to obvious logistical problems.
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Mark Montoya
Sounds like a WWII Carcano. Most of them were 6.5mm, but they made a few
of them in 7.35. The original model was in 6.5mm and was introduced in
1891, I think.
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Henry E Schaffer
Gaetano Liberatore <gae...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu> wrote:
#
#My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
#on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
#a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. ...
The 7.35 Italian Carcano caliber was adopted by Italy for a military
round in 1938. The bullet diameter is about .298". This caliber is
fairly well known in the U.S.
--henry schaffer
JIM CURREN
gae...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (Gaetano Liberatore) wrote:
#
# My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
# on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
# a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
# of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
# Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
# Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#
# Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
# a top loaded 5 round clip.
This is a Manlicher-Carcano much like the Oswald/JFK gun except it is
chambered in the 7.35 cal. In 1940 the Italians reverted to production of
6.5mm rifles as they lacked sufficent 7.35 ammo. The short rifle is 40
inches long while the carbine is 36 inches. 7.35 is available at gun shows
and through sorces such as shotgun news, etc.
Jim Curren
Robert S. Linzell
|> gae...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (Gaetano Liberatore) writes:
|>
|>
|> #My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
|> #on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
|> #a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
|> #of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
|> #Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
|> #Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|> #Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
|> #a top loaded 5 round clip.
It kicks like a mule and roars like a lion--a regular cannon IMHO. The steel
buttplate makes it rather uncomfortable to shoot for long periods, so I put
a Pachmyr (sp?) slip-on pad on it. Big improvement. There's a hatch in the
buttplate which covers a storage compartment for a cleaning rod, too.
|>
|>
|> I am not familiar with that particular rifle, but 7.35mm was a standard
|> caliber for Italian rifles and machine guns during WWII. So it wouldn't
|> surprise me to find it in a rifle of that era. AFIK, the caliber was
|> never widely used outside of Italy, and ammunition may not be easy to
|> find here. Though probably not impossible.
My father-in-law had one, which was identified as a Carcano (or, more
properly, Mannlicher-Carcano). Barnes has some ballistic and reloading
info in _Cartridges of the World_. I had obtained some _old_ (ca. 1939)
surplus ammo from a place in Tenn., the name of which escapes me now. I
suggest that you check _Shotgun News_ for mail-order sources. I once found
at a gun show a single box of Midway pre-loaded 7.35 PSPs, 123 gr. (I think).
My latest Midway catalog has some dies, but no other 7.35 mm supplies. There
were a few mentions of this gun in _Shooting Times_ in 1992 or '93.
|>
|>
|> The 7.35mm x ??? cartridge was intended as a replacement for the 6.5mm
|> cartridge that was used during WWI and the colonial conflicts of the
|> interwar era. The latter cartridge, while demonstrably adequate for
|> offing presidents with 85-meter head shots, came up short against attacking
|> Ethiopian tribesmen, etc. The 7.35mm was chosen as a replacement, on
|> the grounds that it was the largest caliber which could be used without
|> a major redesign of existing weapons.
|>
|>
|> In practice, while many rfles were made in 7.35mm, and many more 6.5mm
|> weapons rebarreled for the larger cartridge, the two were used in
|> parallel, which lead to obvious logistical problems.
|>
The 6.5 mm ammo & reloading supplies are much more common, unfortunately for
you. Although I've seen only about 3 Carcanos in gun stores and shows, all
were 7.35 mm. It may be, however, that people who have 6.5s hang onto them.
|>
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JIM CURREN
gae...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (Gaetano Liberatore) wrote:
#
# My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
# on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
# a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
# of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
# Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
# Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#
# Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
# a top loaded 5 round clip.
This is an Italian WWII rifle. In '38 they tried to go from 6.5mm to a
heavier 7.35. When war broke out, they reverted to 6.5mm. Oswald used
one. The carbine (36 inches) and short rifle (40 inches) are ususally
worth $50-75.
Jim Curren
Reston, VA
C...@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
John Schilling <schi...@spock.usc.edu> writes:
#gae...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (Gaetano Liberatore) writes:
By the way: are you (unlikely as it may be, the name Liberatore being very
common) related to the famous comics artist Tanino Liberatore ? :-)
##My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
##on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
##a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
##of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
##Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
The cartridge is a necked-up junior brother of the 6.5 x 52 Carcano, which is
a little bit shorter (0.5 - 1 mm). That's why British proof houses call it
7.35 x 51, whereas German and American terminology uses 7.35 x 52. Brass can
be formed from new Norma 6.5 x 52 cases, or also from 6.5 x 54 MS cases.
Bullets would have to be custom made. I know one German small manufacturer who
has several weights and sizes. Oh yes, Bertram bullets (Australia) do also
have newly-made cases, but they are expensive as gold.
##Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
##a top loaded 5 round clip.
Just as a small correction to the last point: the clips (both brass and steel
varieties exist, with a lot of different stampings: a collection field of its
own) hold six rounds, not five, the 6.5 x 52 and the 7.35 x 52 having equal
dimensions except for the neck / shoulder angle and 0.5 - 1 mm of length.
#AFIK, the caliber was never widely used outside of Italy, and ammunition
#may not be easy to find here. Though probably not impossible.
Carcano rifles have been used by the Finnish in the 1939/40 winter war, I
believe. But I do not know which of the two calibers was in use.
Here in Germany, it is virtually impossible to find ammunition. If any of
the American readers knows of a mail-order source, please be as kind to post.
#The 7.35mm x ??? cartridge was intended as a replacement for the 6.5mm
#cartridge that was used during WWI and the colonial conflicts of the
#interwar era. The latter cartridge, while demonstrably adequate for
#offing presidents with 85-meter head shots, came up short against attacking
#Ethiopian tribesmen, etc. The 7.35mm was chosen as a replacement, on
#the grounds that it was the largest caliber which could be used without
#a major redesign of existing weapons.
Now, that statement of John has set me thinking :-). What you wrote reflects
the general standard of gunwriting, so all right. However... I wondered about
how true that oft-repeated motivation might really have been. The initial
spark to my doubts was reading a side notice about the Japanese change from the
earlier 6.5 to the 7.7 Arisaka caliber. This change was motivated by technical
reasons only: because at the time given, the 6.5 bullets could not be used
for _effective_ tracer, incendiary or explosive bullets, which was apparently
easier in the wider 7.7 caliber. I know that (even though many American handgun
enthusiasts in the Cooper tradition are not happy about this fact) the military
mindset esp. in Europe paid little to none attention to questions of stopping
power, and I would wonder if the Italians would have made an exception.
One main reason might be the displeasure at the very long forcing cone/
throat (are the two expressions interchangeable in English ?) of the 6.5 x 52
Carcano, which is, in and by itself, not too conductive to accuracy. Another
reason might be problems of bullet stabilization: the long heavy RN bullet
is not always stabilized well, especially in worn barrels. Lastly, I think
that the lighter, faster Spitzgeschoss of the 7.35 has a (much?) flatter
trajectory than the old 6.5 x 52. Surely a point of concern, given the low
range estimation skills of any average soldier.
I also remember having read that the 7.35 might be more accurate than the
6.5 (see above, length of free bullet travel). Can somebody confirm or deny
this from own experience ?
#In practice, while many rifles were made in 7.35mm, and many more 6.5mm
#weapons rebarreled for the larger cartridge, the two were used in
#parallel, which lead to obvious logistical problems.
Ah. Again an interesting perspective of John. While this might _appear_
convincing, I have read exactly the opposite in all my sources: that many of
the existing 7.35 guns have been hastily re-barreled to 6.5 after the ammo
supply problems began to show up. Could you re-check this point and maybe
quote your sources, so I could re-examine my view ?
With my best regards, ALexander Eichener c...@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
IanMaclure
#: My father has an Italian rifle that was made sometime in 1939. It has stamped
#: on it a caliber of "7,35", but the Italians use the comma as we would use
#: a decimal point and vice-versa, so I read it as 7.35 mm. I have never heard
#: of 7.35, so can it be 7x35 or something like that (i.e. the equivalent of a
#: Mauser, Winchester, etc.)?
#: Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#: Additional info: the gun is made by Terni and is a bolt action with room for
#: a top loaded 5 round clip.
#Sounds like a WWII Carcano. Most of them were 6.5mm, but they made a few
#of them in 7.35. The original model was in 6.5mm and was introduced in
#1891, I think.
#Mark
Italy had made the decision to convert from 6.5 to 7.35, got halfway
through and decided to turn back. This meant converting a substantial
number of weapons from 7.35 to 6.5. They weren't done when WW2 came
along.
Ah, the life of the Italian Ordinanceman.
IBM
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#Carcano rifles have been used by the Finnish in the 1939/40 winter war, I
#believe. But I do not know which of the two calibers was in use.
#Here in Germany, it is virtually impossible to find ammunition. If any of
#the American readers knows of a mail-order source, please be as kind to post.
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Yes, this is true. Thanks to very different caliber than the basic infantry
caliber 7,62x53R (=54R), these were mostly issued in "secondary" tasks like
guardings in friendly areas and by civilians living close to border (Soviet
partisans attacked against civilians there regularily so they
needed guns for protection and army gave eg. these to them).
Guns were bought directly from Italy at the time, can't recall the exact
number bought but it war probably little less than 100 000 rifles. All were
sold abroad after the war, maybe even that Carcano Oswald used when he shot
the Kennedy was from Finland? If the scope on it was originally with the
rifle, then maybe not, I doub a lot that any of these were sold to Finland
with scope.
Terni rifles saw action in war however, atleast artillery troops used them
during Winter War.
I think Interarms was the buyer after the war. Rifles saw little duty, but
were used till end of WW2 here in secondary tasks. Calibers in those rifles
bought here was that 7,35 if memory serves me right.
When Soviet Union attacked against Finland 1939 and this Winter War started
(and even before it) Finland needed desperately weapons for infantry troops
and all possible sources were used. Guns were also traded with other nations,
like old mausers with Poland in return we got some old Russian m/91 rifles
etc. Those who made decissions back then were worried of the situation because
they didn't want too many calibers around, there were already so many around.
Pistols were the other necessity wich was in bad shape when war started, so
men used what ever they had handy, even pocket pistols (most common calibers
with pistols were 6,63 Mauser, 6,35, 7,65 and 9,00 Parabellum). Little help for
shortage was got from the amount of captured weapons in this first battle with
Soviets. The situation improved a lot later on but shortage of certain
weaponry was bad till the end of war.
Basic infantry calibers were 7,65 and 9,00 Parabellum with pistols and SMGs,
and 7,62x53R with MGs and rifles. Army dreamed to have just two calibers, 9,00
mm Parabellum and 7,62x53R. Luckilly Soviets used 7,62x53R ammo with their
weapons, so captured weapons like rifles and MGs were used also by Finns,
however the 7,62x25 caliber was different, so all captured SMGs were first
shot till the ammo ran out and then the guns were send to deposits (or
destroyed if it wasn't possible), pistols like T-33 were not send to the
deposits, so men used them as long as they served or/and took them home.
Nagant revolvers in 7,62 Nagant were also very common pistols in use back then
and many homes who had father or relative in these wars brought one usually
home with them.
#With my best regards, ALexander Eichener c...@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
That same, Panu
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#In article <1994082418...@spock.usc.edu>
#John Schilling <schi...@spock.usc.edu> writes:
##AFIK, the caliber was never widely used outside of Italy, and ammunition
##may not be easy to find here. Though probably not impossible.
#Carcano rifles have been used by the Finnish in the 1939/40 winter war, I
#believe. But I do not know which of the two calibers was in use.
#Here in Germany, it is virtually impossible to find ammunition. If any of
#the American readers knows of a mail-order source, please be as kind to post.
I hadn't heard of the Finnish use of such rifles before, but for reasons I
will state below it is likely that they were 6.5mm rather than 7.35mm. No
doubt one of our Finnish posters will correct me if I am wrong.
And I'll check on local sources of 7.35mm cartridges next week. Don't know
of any offhand, as I have never had reason to seek out unusual calibers.
##The 7.35mm x ??? cartridge was intended as a replacement for the 6.5mm
##cartridge that was used during WWI and the colonial conflicts of the
##interwar era. The latter cartridge, while demonstrably adequate for
##offing presidents with 85-meter head shots, came up short against attacking
##Ethiopian tribesmen, etc. The 7.35mm was chosen as a replacement, on
##the grounds that it was the largest caliber which could be used without
##a major redesign of existing weapons.
#Now, that statement of John has set me thinking :-). What you wrote reflects
#the general standard of gunwriting, so all right. However... I wondered about
#how true that oft-repeated motivation might really have been. The initial
#spark to my doubts was reading a side notice about the Japanese change from
#the earlier 6.5 to the 7.7 Arisaka caliber. This change was motivated by
#technical reasons only: because at the time given, the 6.5 bullets could not
#be used for _effective_ tracer, incendiary or explosive bullets, which was
#apparently easier in the wider 7.7 caliber. I know that (even though many
#American handgun enthusiasts in the Cooper tradition are not happy about this
#fact) the military mindset esp. in Europe paid little to none attention to
#questions of stopping power, and I would wonder if the Italians would have
#made an exception.
The Italians were involved in at least one colonial war at the time, which
may well have focused more attention on the subject than would normally be
the case. Short of a seance to ask the (presumably) deceased individuals
who made the decision, we'll never know for certain what they were thinking.
# One main reason might be the displeasure at the very long forcing cone/
#throat (are the two expressions interchangeable in English ?) of the 6.5 x 52
#Carcano, which is, in and by itself, not too conductive to accuracy. Another
#reason might be problems of bullet stabilization: the long heavy RN bullet
#is not always stabilized well, especially in worn barrels. Lastly, I think
#that the lighter, faster Spitzgeschoss of the 7.35 has a (much?) flatter
#trajectory than the old 6.5 x 52. Surely a point of concern, given the low
#range estimation skills of any average soldier.
# I also remember having read that the 7.35 might be more accurate than the
#6.5 (see above, length of free bullet travel). Can somebody confirm or deny
#this from own experience ?
You are probably right about the 7.35mm being more accurate than the 6.5mm,
though I have no actual experience with either. I had not realized that
the 7.35mm cartridge had a lighter, faster bullet than the 6.5mm until
you pointed it out (6.5mm: 156gr @ 2000fps, 7.35mm: 128gr @ 2500fps).
Which brings up the question of why anyone in their right mind would have
put such a heavy bullet in the 6.5mm cartridge in the first place?
At any rate, the 7.35mm cartridge was probably superior to the 6.5 in many
ways, not just stopping power. But the latter is the reason given in
every reference I have seen, so I am inclined to accept it as genuine.
##In practice, while many rifles were made in 7.35mm, and many more 6.5mm
##weapons rebarreled for the larger cartridge, the two were used in
##parallel, which lead to obvious logistical problems.
#Ah. Again an interesting perspective of John. While this might _appear_
#convincing, I have read exactly the opposite in all my sources: that many of
#the existing 7.35 guns have been hastily re-barreled to 6.5 after the ammo
#supply problems began to show up. Could you re-check this point and maybe
#quote your sources, so I could re-examine my view ?
My primary reference on such matters (_Rifles_, by Smith and Smith (?)) is
abot three thousand miles from here. My original post was written from
memory and thus, while accurate, was incomplete. You seem to have filled
in the gaps nicely.
At any rate, I double-checked at the University library this morning. Found
references on Carcano rifles and cartridges in three sources:
_Military Small Arms Ammunition of the World_, P. Labbett
_Encyclopedia of 20th Century Weapons and Warfare_, Purnell Reference Books
_Weapons of the Third Reich_, Terry Gander (Yes, the Germans did use a few)
These sources indicate the following:
1. Stated reason for adoption of 7.35mm was the insufficient power
of the 6.5mm, though no detail or primary reference was given for
this.
2. Only ball ammunition for 7.35mm is listed as having been made,
while AP,incendiary, and tracer for 6.5mm were manufactured in
quantity. It seems unlikely that versatiility in bullet design
motivated the switch, as was the case in Japan.
3. 7.35mm ammunition is explicitly stated as having never been made
outside of Italy. No such statement is made for 6.5mm, suggesting
that Carcano rifles used in foreign countries (such as Finland)
were of the smaller caliber.
4. Conversion to 7.35mm, to the extent that it actually occurred, was
accomplished by altering existing rifles. This presumably refers
to rebarrelling.
5. The onset of WWII found the conversion process incomplete, and the
Italians decided it would be easier to revert to 6.5mm than go
on with the 7.35mm program. Many (but not all) 7.35mm rifles
were changed back to 6.5mm.
The combination of points four and five suggests that there may be Carcano
rifles which were made as 6.5mm, rebarreled to 7.35mm, and then rebarreled
to 6.5mm again. You don't suppose the Italians were smart enough to save
the original barrels, do you? Probably not.
Panu Kolju
#C...@vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de writes:>
##In article <1994082418...@spock.usc.edu>
##John Schilling <schi...@spock.usc.edu> writes:
###AFIK, the caliber was never widely used outside of Italy, and ammunition
###may not be easy to find here. Though probably not impossible.
##Carcano rifles have been used by the Finnish in the 1939/40 winter war, I
##believe. But I do not know which of the two calibers was in use.
##Here in Germany, it is virtually impossible to find ammunition. If any of
##the American readers knows of a mail-order source, please be as kind to post.
Okay, I checked it out. Finland bought in early 1940 about 100 000 Carcano
"Terni" rifles from Italy. Caliber was indeed that 7,35 Carcano, not 6,5 like
some of you thought.
Finnish used models most likely have SA stamped on the receiver somewhere,
which means Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army.
#I hadn't heard of the Finnish use of such rifles before, but for reasons I
#will state below it is likely that they were 6.5mm rather than 7.35mm. No
#doubt one of our Finnish posters will correct me if I am wrong.
No, they were 7,35, I'm sure of it now.
Artillery troops and "phone-men" used them as service weapons for some time
atleast, as did some guards in friendly areas and civilians who were attacked
or in fear of attack by Soviet partisans (close borders usually). Like I said
earlier, those partisans did "demolition attacks" against small villages and
civilians, and when they started shooting these civilians who didn't have no
weaponry, the army delivered Terni rifles among other types to civilians so
they atleast had a change to fight back if necessary. I've seen atleast one
picture where soldiers show to some village people/men how to use just these
Terni rifles.
#And I'll check on local sources of 7.35mm cartridges next week. Don't know
#of any offhand, as I have never had reason to seek out unusual calibers.
# 3. 7.35mm ammunition is explicitly stated as having never been made
# outside of Italy. No such statement is made for 6.5mm, suggesting
# that Carcano rifles used in foreign countries (such as Finland)
# were of the smaller caliber.
I'm not sure if ammo was made in Finland for these rifles, but it can be
possible that it happened in small quantity, but I'm not sure. Ammo were
however bought also in quantities when these rifles were bought from Italy.
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K. Karcich
#C...@vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de writes:
##In article <1994082418...@spock.usc.edu>
##John Schilling <schi...@spock.usc.edu> writes:
#You are probably right about the 7.35mm being more accurate than the 6.5mm,
#though I have no actual experience with either. I had not realized that
#the 7.35mm cartridge had a lighter, faster bullet than the 6.5mm until
#you pointed it out (6.5mm: 156gr @ 2000fps, 7.35mm: 128gr @ 2500fps).
#Which brings up the question of why anyone in their right mind would have
#put such a heavy bullet in the 6.5mm cartridge in the first place?
Early smokeless cartridges normally featured long heavy roundnose bullets at
velocitys of 2000 to 2300fps. This was true until the advent of the french and
german adoptation of the spitzer bullet, lighter in weight and loaded to
higher velocity. So, the characteristics of the 6.5x52 are not unusual for the
time period for which it was developed. In fact, the 6.5x52 is almost exactly
like the 6.5x54 which is a very famous sporting cartridge, and which was also
developed as military round with a 160gr roundnose bullet.
regards, Ken Karcich
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Gaetano Liberatore
Thanks to all respondants of my initial posting regarding 7.35 Carcano caliber.
Basically the replies all indicate that the 7.35 was a big brother to the
6.5 but was made in limited numbers before the hostilities began in 1939.
This makes the 7.35 relatively rare. Does anybody know sources, by name,
for 7.35 Carcano, loaded (prefered) or reloading supplies and other items
(i.e. clips)? My interest is for US suppliers, but there are some that have
expressed an interest to suppliers outside the US.