Wild geese hunting with 30-06 (Continued)
Jacques
suggestions, but I need to stress the following. The following
questions came up on my replies... yes I do have a permit to hunt
these birds, seeing that I do it for research purposes.
I need a load that will minimize meat damage because I need to take
samples of organs, so maybe the silution would be a load with very low
velocities. I live in SA and therefore use SOMCHEM propellants. Dont
know if you guys know it but I need info on that. The other
propellants are very hard to come by in South Africa. So just to
express what I need.
1. Load to hunt wild birds that will minimize meat damage. (forget
High velocities, need my birds intact)
2. Load data on SOMCHEM powders.
Its a lot to ask but I got more positive info from this site then from
hunters in SA.
Thanks guys hope you can help.
Jacques
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powder. A 110 FMJ bullet intended for the .30 Carbine would do the
least amount of damage since it wouldn't expand much.
For an even lighter load, use a 130 to 150 grain cast lead bullet with 7
or 8 grains of Red Dot. It's a bit dirty but doesn't need a gas check.
I've used these for short range target shooting and there's almost no
recoil.
I don't know if you can get Hercules (now called Alliant,)
http://www.alliantpowder.com/ and I'm pretty sure you'd get in hot water
ordering it from the USA. I Alliant powders more and more these days
and I'm tapering off other brands. They just seem to work well for me
and are a bit cheaper than IMR powders.
Tony
Jacques wrote:
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and a student needed to hunt animals (nocturnal springhares) for
scientific research and where we needed various organ samples. For the
most part we used a 12-bore and seldom had problems obtaining the
samples we needed. At one stage we did have to resort to a rifle and
used a scoped .222, which also proved effective using head shots (not
me behind the gun!) and even a couple of body shots did not ruin the
organs (depends what you need them for of course).
A 30.06 seems a bit much gun for geese but I'm assuming you have a
good reason for using it. It would seem that the suggestion to use a
light (110 grain) FMJ would be the most appropriate. I imagine you
will be using Somchems MR powder. You should be able to get reloading
data for this from the data sheet that comes with the tin or from
their web site (assuming they still have one). This will give you a
range of powder loads for different weight bullets along with their
velocities and you can work backwards from there (I have no idea
whether you will run into problems with bullet stabilisation in a
30.06 with light bullets and loads). Alternatively, you could try
writing to Somchem or, try writing in to SA's shooting magazine,
Magnum, and seeing if one of their regular bird-hunting feature
writers has any useful suggestions (you can get address details from a
copy in your local CNA).
Good luck
Chris B
spike
# Hi Guys. Thanks for the interresting reading and for all the
# suggestions, but I need to stress the following.
[snip]
I'm sorry I don't have any help to offer. I just wanted to say "Hi"
from a yank who grew up in Port Elizabeth. Another poster's mention
of the CNA brought back memories too. Even though SAs isn't much like
it was in the late 60s - early 70s, I sure miss it.
George
SOCHEM powders aren't available here unless they are marketed under a
different name. The 100 or 110 grain .30 caliber bullet the other posters
mention probably won't be available either.
How close can you get to these geese? If the ranges are close a shotgun
would be the best choice. Shooting birds is kind of a trick because there is
a lot less bird under the feathers than most people realize. If you have
access to a .22 centerfire and can try non-expanding bullets that might be
your best and east destructive solution.
George in Las Vegas
Russ
# Hi Guys. Thanks for the interresting reading and for all the
# suggestions, but I need to stress the following. The following
# questions came up on my replies... yes I do have a permit to hunt
# these birds, seeing that I do it for research purposes.
# I need a load that will minimize meat damage because I need to take
# samples of organs, so maybe the silution would be a load with very low
# velocities. I live in SA and therefore use SOMCHEM propellants. Dont
# know if you guys know it but I need info on that. The other
# propellants are very hard to come by in South Africa. So just to
# express what I need.
# 1. Load to hunt wild birds that will minimize meat damage. (forget
# High velocities, need my birds intact)
# 2. Load data on SOMCHEM powders.
#
# Its a lot to ask but I got more positive info from this site then from
# hunters in SA.
# Thanks guys hope you can help.
I did not find SOCHEM powders on the web, but I did find SOMCHEM
reloading powders. I'm sending this info in the hope that SOMCHEM is the
correct supplier for you.
Here they show relative burn rates as compared to popular powders. You
may be able to extrapolate from the major manufacturers loads a load in
SOMCHEM powder.
<http://www.dlswc.co.za/Reload/reload_info.doc>
Here is their reloading table for the .30-06. I don't think the load
you're looking for is in there, but you could compare these loads to
other powders based on the previous table just to be sure you're in the
ballpark.
<http://www.dlswc.co.za/Reload/default.asp>
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#
# Here they show relative burn rates as compared to popular powders. You
# may be able to extrapolate from the major manufacturers loads a load in
# SOMCHEM powder.
# <http://www.dlswc.co.za/Reload/reload_info.doc>
Russ,
Your message looke very much like the one I wanted to post this
weekend, but I had family obligations that prevented me from writing.
In the reload_info.doc you want to scroll down and take a look at the
"SCHEMATIC CHART SHOWING THE COMPARATIVE BURN RATES AND RELATIVE
POSITIONS OF PROPELLANT OF THE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS (from fast to slow)
SHOTGUN/HANDGUN CATEGORY"
What you want for a seriously reduced load in 30-06 is a short bullet
in front of a small charge of fast burning powder. My favorite reduced
load powder in 30-06 is Alliant(Hercules) Red-Dot. On the same line as
Red-Dot is VIHTA N320 which I have also heard is suitable for reduced
loads in 30 caliber rifle cartridges. That would put SOMCHEM MS200 as
MAYBE suitable for such loads. MAYBE. As for charge weights, I cannot
hazard a guess.
Not a lot of people seem interested in reduced loads. I cant figure
out why. Economy, shooting more for less, and reduced wear on
equipment, shoulders and ears should be more popular. Most reloading
books are optimized for one thing and one thing only, maximum
velocity. You are going to have to look long and hard to find someone
that has data for seriously reduced velocity loads. A good place to
start is recomended loads for cast bullets. If you find a load for a
heavier bullet you are safe in substituting a lighter bullet for the
same charge.
Good luck in your search. Persevere. I have found the rewards well
worth the effort; quiet, accurate, economical shooting.
oldpink
# On Oct 15, 10:28 pm, Russ <havana99trade...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# #
# # Here they show relative burn rates as compared to popular powders. You
# # SOMCHEM powder.
# # <http://www.dlswc.co.za/Reload/reload_info.doc>
# Russ,
#
# Your message looke very much like the one I wanted to post this
# weekend, but I had family obligations that prevented me from writing.
#
# In the reload_info.doc you want to scroll down and take a look at the
# "SCHEMATIC CHART SHOWING THE COMPARATIVE BURN RATES AND RELATIVE
# POSITIONS OF PROPELLANT OF THE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS (from fast to slow)
#
# SHOTGUN/HANDGUN CATEGORY"
#
# What you want for a seriously reduced load in 30-06 is a short bullet
# in front of a small charge of fast burning powder. My favorite reduced
# load powder in 30-06 is Alliant(Hercules) Red-Dot. On the same line as
# Red-Dot is VIHTA N320 which I have also heard is suitable for reduced
# loads in 30 caliber rifle cartridges. That would put SOMCHEM MS200 as
# MAYBE suitable for such loads. MAYBE. As for charge weights, I cannot
# hazard a guess.
Another good powder I have seen listed and used myself is Alliant Unique.
# Not a lot of people seem interested in reduced loads. I cant figure
# out why. Economy, shooting more for less, and reduced wear on
I can explain that one.
Reduced loads in large cases are problematic for accuracy due to the
large air space in the case.
The powder can be in a different position in the case depending on how
it is held, and the bullet will often have considerably greater
variation in muzzle velocity because of that.
Almost all cartridges perform at their best from an accuracy standpoint
when they are loaded with a type of powder that most nearly completely
fills the case.
In fact, my most accurate .30-06 loads use a full case of IMR4831, and
they both print 5 shots inside 1" @ 100 yards.
# equipment, shoulders and ears should be more popular. Most reloading
# books are optimized for one thing and one thing only, maximum
# velocity. You are going to have to look long and hard to find someone
# that has data for seriously reduced velocity loads. A good place to
# start is recomended loads for cast bullets. If you find a load for a
# heavier bullet you are safe in substituting a lighter bullet for the
# same charge.
Not so at all.
My Speer No. 11 and Lyman handbooks both list reduced loads.
I believe my Hornady and Nosler manuals do as well, but I don't want to
have to dig them up to check.
# Good luck in your search. Persevere. I have found the rewards well
# worth the effort; quiet, accurate, economical shooting.
One suggestion I would make to reduce MV and consequently reduce tissue
damage would be to use a reduced load with a heavier bullet of say 165
grains.
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