Chinese air gun question
paul
I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
email the information to me.
Thanks,
Paul
geoff beneze
In article <5v4sh0$6...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, paul <be...@sonatech.com> wrote:
# I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
# Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
# manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
# breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
# the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
# It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
# about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
# model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
# manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
# I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
# spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
# muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
# email the information to me.
Are you happy with it? Could you afford the $30 you spent? If the answer
is "yes", then it's a good deal. I would suggest that you take the
accuracy figures with a large grain of salt, and don't compare the gun
(visually, quality, accuracy) to any of the major brand names.
I have one and use it for controlling the flying rats. It works well for
it's intended purpose, but it's certainly not an Anschutz....
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Rich
Paul:
The rifle you have is manufactured in various locations within China and
sold in every little mom & pop store there. I lived in China for some
time and had to console my shooting urges with one of these air rifles
until I got to be friends with a local military official.
These guns are "modest" in terms of workmanship and accuracy. Some shot
better than others, some broke more often than others. As for the "61"
and "B1" discrepancies, to some Chinese (those with limited English
skills), the lowercase "b" is no different than the arabic "6" and are
interchanged frequently. It's also no great leap for them to change a
lowercase "b" (which may have previously been interchanged from the "6")
to an uppercase "B".
Don't get hung up on accuracy, dependability or what is written on the
box - set it aside as a curio that you can plink with once in a while.
If your local gunsmith can't make a part that might break, you're kinda
S.O.L.
Rich LeRoy
paul wrote:
#
# I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
# Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
# manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
# breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
# the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
# It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
# about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
# model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
# manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
# I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
# spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
# muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
# email the information to me.
#
# Thanks,
#
# Paul
laketrac...@gmail.com
# I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
# Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
# manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
# breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
# the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
# It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
# about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
# model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
# manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
# I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
# spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
# muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
# email the information to me.
owner's manual? I inhertied one and don't know how to operate it.
Many thanks,
Larry
TimR
# On Tuesday, September 9, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, paul wrote:
# # I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
# # Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
# # manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
# # breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
# # the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
# # It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
# # about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
# # model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
# # manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
# # I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
# # spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
# # muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
# # email the information to me.
#
# Paul, sorry I can't help you, but would you happen to have a link to the Model 61
# owner's manual? I inhertied one and don't know how to operate it.
#
# Many thanks,
#
# Larry
These are reverse engineered from quality German airguns, but manufacturingquality varies
greatly. You might get a very good one. But trigger pull especially seems to be a matter
of luck. I had one with a 25 pound gritty pull - other people have had very nice ones.
It is possible to tweak themfor better performance, check with the people on the Chinese
forums (Yellow Airgun forums).
Tom Biasi
# On Tuesday, September 9, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, paul wrote:
# # I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
# # Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
# # manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
# # breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
# # the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
# # It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
# # about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
# # model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
# # manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
# # I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
# # spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
# # muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
# # email the information to me.
#
# Paul, sorry I can't help you, but would you happen to have a link to the Model 61
# owner's manual? I inhertied one and don't know how to operate it.
#
# Many thanks,
#
# Larry
#
He may take another 10 years to get back to you. :-)
Gunner Asch
wrote:
#On Tuesday, September 9, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, paul wrote:
## I just bought a Chinese air rifle made by 'Industry Brand' in
## Shanghai, China. It says Model 61 on the box, but the owners
## manual says Model B1. It's a .177 cal spring piston gun that
## breaks open in the center. The owners manual doesn't say what
## the muzzle velocity is, and wasn't very specific about anything.
## It did say that I should get 30mm groups at 30 meters. That's
## about 1in groups at 25yds. I looked in shotgun news for a similar
## model to compare it to, but couldn't find any from this
## manufacturer. I paid $29 for this gun. Is that a good deal?
## I wanted to ask the guy at the store about it, but he only
## spoke spanish. If anyone has any information about the
## muzzle velocity or where I can order spare parts, please
## email the information to me.
#
#Paul, sorry I can't help you, but would you happen to have a link to the Model 61
#owner's manual? I inhertied one and don't know how to operate it.
#
#Many thanks,
#
#Larry
#
Velocity is aprox 850 FPS on virtually all of the Chinese break action
spring guns. The 61 tends to keep up with the newer guns, but
accuracy on some is decent..as yours shows, others...pretty bad.
Mine was handpicked and will shoot under 1/2" at 25 yrds, will do an
honest 9/16" group of 10, at 50 yrds. Mine shows average velocity of
823 fps for a 10 shot average.
phoffman...@gmail.com
How do you load a "61"?
The pellets fall out the barrel, I think I'm doing something wrong! Help,"61" model
TimR
# How do you load a "61"?
# The pellets fall out the barrel, I think I'm doing something wrong! Help,
"61" model
I don't have one myself, but memory says it's probably a .22 caliber.
Are you feeding it .177 pellets by mistake?
General rules for loading a break barrel: (though it depends on the model,
some have a latch)
1. Slap the front sight area lightly to break the detent loose. The barrel
should drop about 3 inches against the spring.
2. If at all possible load the pellet now. Most but not all will have room
in the breech to get the pellet in without cocking it. I prefer not to be
loading a pellet in a cocked gun. Others do it differently but this is safer.
IMO.
3. Brace butt against your thigh, hold grip area in one hand, front sight
in the other, pull down firmly to cock. Consistency here pays off. You want
to go all the way but not slam it hard. Do not let go before getting it cocked
or it springs back.
The reason for not loading a pellet in a cocked gun is that you don't have
a free hand to control the barrel if it should fire. Firing a break barrel
when it's not in battery bends the barrel and usually destroys the gun. Yes,
there is supposed to be a bear trap that prevents this but they do fail. Frequently.
Oh, yeah. Besides breaking the barrel, this sometimes removes your thumb.
Juergen Nieveler
# How do you load a "61"?
#
# The pellets fall out the barrel, I think I'm doing something wrong! Help,"61" model
Pellets as in BBs? Break-barrel guns are meant to be used with diabolos,
with the rear end of the diabolo being slightly larger than the bore.
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Juergen Nieveler