Rock Salt shotgun loads
J.D. Hacken
against kids trespassin' on lands owned by old timers. Is this just a myth?
If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
Thanks,
JD
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kids.
second thought I do not have the guts!
Clark Magnuson
I knew some kids in the 50's that claimed to have been hit.
Disney made a movie with a farmer protecting his prize watermelon with
buckshot. To quote on kid in the movie, " He would kill for that
watermelon." In the end of the movie the bad guy opens a shotgun shell
and pours out rock salt in his palm, showing that he was not all bad.
Vince Yakamavich
"J.D. Hacken" wrote:
#
# As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun loads for a deterrent
# against kids trespassin' on lands owned by old timers. Is this just a myth?
# If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
#
# Thanks,
# JD
#
Pure urban legend.
Up close, they'd be no better (or worse) than any regular bird-shot.
They'd blow a hole clear thru the target, big enough to pass your head
through. Yes, that might deter trespassing, but it'd also be a sure
ticket to the electric chair for the shooter.
v
Erik
#loads for a deterrent against kids trespassin' on
#lands owned by old timers. Is this just a myth?
# If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
Straight out of Beverly Hillbillies. That's the load Granny used.
It's not even worth discussing because you can't use a firearm in this
manner. It would be criminal. Not to mention that the trespasser would
likely have the right to shoot back at you with real bullets...
mark bergman
"J.D. Hacken" <jdha...@home.com> wrote in message
news:9mauq0$m8n$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun loads for a deterrent
# against kids trespassin' on lands owned by old timers. Is this just a
myth?
# If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
No it's not a myth. They sting like hell (thru blue jeans) but none ever
penetrated my youthful skin.
Meplat
as surly as birdshot. The salt, being light and angular looses both
velocity and concentration rapidly. I don't know but I would think
that the maximum range one could expect to penetrate the Levis and get
into the buttocks might be around 30 yards, and the pattern would be
just a little smaller than a drive in move screen. Can you imagine
rock salt imbedded 3/8 of an inch into the flesh. Ouch!!!!! It
burrrrrrrrrrrrns!
--
Meplat KE6NKR NRA Life
Plink
wrote:
#As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun loads for a deterrent
#against kids trespassin' on lands owned by old timers. Is this just a myth?
#If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
I doubt it's a myth. I've heard from too many old timers who've been
shot with rock salt in their youth for stealing watermelons and such.
Rock salt is much lighter than lead and you know a lot of it gets
pulverized on firing, thus making it a very close range load. What
I've always wondered is why they ever got close enough to get
"peppered" with it in the first place. As for injury, the salt is
light and doesn't penetrate deep. As long as they aren't hit in the
eyes or other delicate areas, it basically just get under the skin
enough to sting like crazy. At least according to reports of those
I've talked to who were hit (my dad, an uncle, and a couple of their
friends).
Mike
Albanygun
wad can hurt at 40 yards. Rock salt was used at one time, causing a sting
from the hit and the salt. And it was used in blackpowder guns, because you
cleaned the barrel after shooting it. Rock salt is very corrosive and I
wouldn't shoot the stuf in any gun.
"Hairtrigger" <lees...@bright.net> wrote in message
news:9mc0pm$phf$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
> ...
joe
my wife worked in the oregon state university electron microscope lab
where they often took in outside work. at one time they were working on
a firearms liability suit where the barrel of a shotgun had failed. em
analysis found traces of salt in the barrel..........the liability suit
failed as a result of the owner not using proper loads. or had not
cleaned adequately after firing improper rounds.
joe
petersburg, alaska
it almost made it to 65 degrees today, but the coho salmon are running
Les
could if I could remember their names.
While growing up in Northe Carolina, they decided to raid a water melon
patch just outside town. Figuring that water melons weren't worth getting
into the deep stinky stuff, I stayed in the car.
Four or five shots ensued, with a series of yelps and shouts. There was not
any real damage to their butts (must have been a full choke shotgun; nothing
north of the fanny was hit).
The pain lasted for the rest of the night and into the next day at school.
After that, it was just embaressing silence reference the whole thing.
I don't know if this helps you with your need to know about rock salt in
shotguns but remember that what was a good laugh in my time today calls the
Johnny Cochrans and and his ilk to bag for themselves big bucks for silly
reasons.
Good luck on whatever pesk you're trying to reform or remove.
Adam Kippes
# Up close, they'd be no better (or worse) than any regular bird-shot.
# They'd blow a hole clear thru the target, big enough to pass your head
# through. Yes, that might deter trespassing, but it'd also be a sure
# ticket to the electric chair for the shooter.
Pure nonsense on all counts.
-- AK
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Joe Portale
any permenant damage. My dad told stories about catching a rearful for
stealing peaches from a neighbors orchard. He said that the salt hurt when
it hit, but the salt that made under his skin hurt for several hours until
it dissolved.
In these days, you will be charged with assualt with a deadly weapon or
attempted murder. The least that would happen is you would get sued until
you lost everything you owned.
Joe Portale
Tucson, AZ
tdw
dont think I would use it on a person these days. Probably sting like hell,
but get you sued, shot or prosecuted.
David L. Moffitt
%%%% In my youth some of my friends and I raided a farmers watermelon patch
who had the reputation of shooting kids stealing his watermelons with rock
salt. We got caught in the patch and the oldman came running out of his
house firing his shotgun at us as we ran with our ill gotten melons. None of
us got hit. Years later after I got an education the old man became one of
my patients. I asked him about shooting the watermelon thiefs with rock salt
and confessed to stealing some myself. He died laughing and told me that he
never had the shotgun loaded with rock salt and was only shooting empty
shells at us. The next thing he told me was a big suprise that floored me.
He said he planted the melons for us boys to steal and for the entertainment
we provided him and his wife at the measures we went to steal a melon and
not get caught. (or shot)!
> ...
oscar667
Used to get this ammo catalog in the mail called "Firepower". They sold
Glasers, and "Terminators" and other unique bullets, but what intrigued me
most was their selection of shotshells. They had everything from flechettes
to incendiary shells, and yes, they had rock salt loads. These were touted
as non lethal shotgun loads for fending off pests both two and four-legged.
Never tried them though.
Some of the shotgun loads were really nasty looking though. Bolo rounds,
rounds intended to breach doors, and one called the Pirhanna that was ragged
chunks of iron and what looked like Crossman Copperhead bb's, and many more.
I was always afraid of what they might do to my gun.
Jerry Burkowitz
No it is not a myth - rock salt is the granddaddy of non-lethal loads.
Yes, up close it could conceivably kill, and it could still put out
ones eye. But rock salt is FAR less dense than lead, and tends to
"fly" once it leaves the barrel, and therefore was considered a good
load for giving consequences to trespassers without seriously hurting
them. Not to be tried in today's legal environment, as a shotgun
loaded with rock salt still fits the legal definition of a firearm,
and use is therefore assault with a deadly weapon.
M1Dsniper
commercially available today, but at one time I know for certain that
Winchester sold 12 ga loaded with rock salt because my father had a box (I
can't remember if it was a paper or plastic hull, but it was old) and used
them to protect his Pecan trees from two and four legged squirrels!
WWY
"Clark Magnuson" <cmag...@home.com> wrote in message
news:9mc130$pof$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# There was a thread on rec.guns about this topic some years ago.
#
# I knew some kids in the 50's that claimed to have been hit.
#
#
# Disney made a movie with a farmer protecting his prize watermelon with
# buckshot. To quote on kid in the movie, " He would kill for that
# watermelon." In the end of the movie the bad guy opens a shotgun shell
# and pours out rock salt in his palm, showing that he was not all bad.
#
Vince Yakamavich
Adam Kippes wrote:
#
# In <9mc133$poi$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Vince Yakamavich wrote:
#
# # Up close, they'd be no better (or worse) than any regular bird-shot.
# # They'd blow a hole clear thru the target, big enough to pass your head
# # through. Yes, that might deter trespassing, but it'd also be a sure
# # ticket to the electric chair for the shooter.
#
# Pure nonsense on all counts.
#
# -- AK
#
And what exactly does this rock-salt do while it's flying at 1200 fps?
Vaporize into nothing-ness??
If you think my reply was pure nonsense, howz' about you get someone to
put a load of rock salt in your gut, say from about 10 feet. I
guarantee it'll make a believer out of you. (at least for the brief
moments you'll be alive, afterwards.)
vince
bill davidsen
Adam Kippes <adam....@pobox.com> wrote:
| In <9mc133$poi$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Vince Yakamavich wrote:
|
| # Up close, they'd be no better (or worse) than any regular bird-shot.
| # They'd blow a hole clear thru the target, big enough to pass your head
| # through. Yes, that might deter trespassing, but it'd also be a sure
| # ticket to the electric chair for the shooter.
|
| Pure nonsense on all counts.
Well, to the extent that at close range I would expect it to be deadly,
I disagree. Of course the hole would be smaller, but the damage would be
there. Loads of this type normally use cardboard wads rather than
plastic, at least those I've seen, and several movie actors have proved
that just a wad from a blank can be deadly. I would never use a load
like that, although I did find one with a little looking... nor am I
about to invite a lawsuit by sharing it.
Any load of that type can blind someone, not something I'd ever chance.
Shooting is a last resort, and not one to be done with the intent of
scaring or minimal injury. Rock salt loads are good to help the gun
control folks, not much else.
--
bill davidsen <davi...@tmr.com> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
"In elementary school, in case of fire you have to line up quietly in a
single file line from smallest to tallest. What is the logic? Do tall
people burn slower?"
--Warren Hutcherson
WVanhou237
#
## As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun
##loads for a deterrent against kids trespassin' on
##lands owned by old timers.
#
#It's not even worth discussing because you can't use a firearm in this
#manner. It would be criminal. Not to mention that the trespasser would
#likely have the right to shoot back at you with real bullets...
#
Any trespasser that *shot back* would be guilty of attempted murder. Or
murder, depending on how well he could shoot. *Shootibg back* would
also give the owner the right to go into "get serious" mode.
As one who lived in a rural area and was of a water mellon stealing age
about the beginning of WWII, I can attest that we did, and some of the
"old timers" did. It was part of the game. We all raised our own water
mellons at home. It was just that the ones stolen out of "ol' Mr. Hammer's"
patch tasted a lot better. And that ole' guy kept his double barrel 12 ga.
loaded with rock salt. We all knew that salt burned when it got in a cut or
scratch, so how much more it must hurt under the skin of your butt. And
once in while, if someone giggled a little too loud or tripped on the vines
and fell on his butt, we'd hear that gun go boom. Then about the time we
got to the fence it would go off again. That time we might hear a few pieces
of salt hitting the vegetation. Or even bouncing off someones shirt. "Man,
we just got away by the skin of our teeth that time."
Rock salt would have to be about the least efficient projectile it is possible
to think of. Slightly better than potato chips. I doubt it would penetrate a
bed sheet at twenty yards. And the result couldn't by any stretch be called
a patern.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
WVanhou237
<les...@mindspring.com> writes:
#
#While growing up in Northe Carolina, they decided to raid a water melon
#patch just outside town. Figuring that water melons weren't worth getting
#into the deep stinky stuff, I stayed in the car.
#
Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaa ! Do you honestly expect anyone here to believe that
you stayed in the car.?
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
R.M.R.
upstate n.y.. Seemed the area kids would cut across their orchid to a
nearby swimming area.Kids being kids they would pluck an apple or have a
apple war.This crazy fool land owned would occasionally shoot a round
of rock salt over their head and the kids would scatter laughing all the
way.This went on for awhile and became the area joke.Even the local
LEO's laugh about it till one day this loon decided he would play the
game kicked up another notch.When we saw them coming down the road he
doubled back around them and came up in front of them about 20 feet
away.
Now here is the contradiction.The kids said as he popped up in front of
them he said now I got you son of a bitches and fired.No if ands or
buts.He said one of the kids hit him in the face with an apple and he
slipped and the shotgun went off.Either way one of the kids,age 14 took
it in the chest and suffered extensive damage.
Two others also got hit age 10 and 12 but not so bad.The problem with
the14 year old wasn't just being shot but he developed a serious
infection from the rock salt and that's what almost killed him.The land
owner got 2 years probation because he had like 9 kids.After they
examined his shot gun they seen the barrel was almost paper thin and the
chamber was corroded from the salt just eating it away and it was only
one or two rounds away from blowing up in his face.The reason I even
remember the story is because of his own foolish action that almost
killed someone else probably in turn saved his own neck.Go figure.
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum)
Sawfish
#In article <9mc13i$por$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "Erik" <oda...@moscow.com> writes:
##
### As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun
###loads for a deterrent against kids trespassin' on
###lands owned by old timers.
##
##It's not even worth discussing because you can't use a firearm in this
##manner. It would be criminal. Not to mention that the trespasser would
##likely have the right to shoot back at you with real bullets...
##
#Any trespasser that *shot back* would be guilty of attempted murder. Or
#murder, depending on how well he could shoot. *Shootibg back* would
#also give the owner the right to go into "get serious" mode.
#As one who lived in a rural area and was of a water mellon stealing age
#about the beginning of WWII, I can attest that we did, and some of the
#"old timers" did. It was part of the game. We all raised our own water
#mellons at home. It was just that the ones stolen out of "ol' Mr. Hammer's"
#patch tasted a lot better. And that ole' guy kept his double barrel 12 ga.
#loaded with rock salt. We all knew that salt burned when it got in a cut or
#scratch, so how much more it must hurt under the skin of your butt. And
#once in while, if someone giggled a little too loud or tripped on the vines
#and fell on his butt, we'd hear that gun go boom. Then about the time we
#got to the fence it would go off again. That time we might hear a few pieces
#of salt hitting the vegetation. Or even bouncing off someones shirt. "Man,
#we just got away by the skin of our teeth that time."
That may be the game you played (as did I), but you've got serious
misconception about tresspass laws. If a person crosses an area well
outside of an individual's dwelling, no imminent threat exists to the
property owner. It doesn't matter if the property is posted or not, and
I'll tell you why in a minute. If that person crossing the property is
then fired on, an imminent threat exists *to them*. I'm not making a case
that it would be defensible for that person to fire back, but it would be
a much easier case to make than if the property owner shot (and came close
to) at a tresspasser.
The reason for this, as I found out in first year law, many years back
(no, I'm not an attorney; I became sickened by what I'd have to do to make
a living and dropped out after spending 14K on tuition, more than 20 years
ago), is that case law does not recognise posted warnings as an absolute
barrier to tresspass. The reason for this are the what ifs: what if the
person can't read, or can't read English; what if the person missed your
signs? In either case, it is improper for the landowner to assume criminal
intent or mischief if he should see someone on his posted property. This
notion of protecting one's property is very appealing (I sympathize with
it), but there's a famous case about a spring gun (gun fired by a
mechanism, automatically) that shot an intruder *who intended* to
forcibily enter and burgle a man's toolshed. The man lost the case and had
to pay restitution to the would-be burglar. This purposeful shooting at a
person on your property who has not posed an imminent threat of bodily
harm is almost as far out as the spring gun case.
I'm not saying I agree with this, but it *is* the way the legal system
tends to interpret cases like this.
#Rock salt would have to be about the least efficient projectile it is possible
#to think of. Slightly better than potato chips. I doubt it would penetrate a
#bed sheet at twenty yards. And the result couldn't by any stretch be called
#a patern.
I'd agree, but if you're getting shot at, you don't stop to consider if
it's rock salt or birdshot or 00. It's a physical threat that you can
interpret as deadly, unless you *know* otherwise.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,
a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish
Erik
#attempted murder. Or murder, depending on how well
#he could shoot. *Shootibg back* would also give the
#owner the right to go into "get serious" mode.
Incorrect. The landowner's act of discharging his shotgun at the
person would likely allow the person to exercise self-defense against the
landowner. As the aggressor in the incident, the landowner would NOT have
the legal right to self-defense unless he withdrew from the confrontation
and was pursued.
The target wouldn't know that he's being shot at with rock salt, and would
almost certainly have a legally valid belief that he was in danger of death
or serious bodily harm. That would give him the right to use self-defense
according to state law.
You cannot just start blasting away at trespassers. It doesn't matter what
you and the oldtimers did 60 years ago.
Trespassing with a firearm likely would subject the trespasser to criminal
trespass charges. It's possible that may mess up the self-defense claim.
Joel Leach
#
# As a kid I always heard about rock salt shotgun loads for a deterrent
# against kids trespassin' on lands owned by old timers. Is this just a myth?
# If not, how bad do they injure the assailant?
Can't help myself, just have to chime in on this. I have seen my
grandfather use rocksalt loads from an old 20 gauge he kept just for
varmint. Seemed to work well on the 4-legged ones, never personally saw
him use it on a 2-legged although he said he had and it worked well.
His second method for getting rid of varmints was the interesting one.
For dogs that came sniffing around the house, cats from the woods or
other types of critters like that, (he was a farmer with his little
house surrounded by cleared fields in the middle of the woods, nearest
neighber was 1 mile down a 2-rut dirt road through the woods) he had a
spray bottle of some kind (aluminum canister about 12 inches tall, 6
inches around, 1.5 - 2 foot thin needle-like adjustable spray nozzle on
top) he used to spray corn and other tall plants with from a safe
distance (could spray reasonably accurate out to about 40 - 50 feet).
He kept one of them full of high-life (liquid fertilizer). When one of
those type of critters came too close to the house he would pump up this
spray bottle, wait until the critter was facing away from him and then
hit it on the ass with a good long squirt. The critter would then drag
itself around in circles by it's front feet for a while with its back
feet in the air as it tried to rub the high-life of its ass. I know
from experience that high-life will burn skin like crazy if you get it
on you, can only imagine what that critter was feeling. This was
effective to say the least.
I have no idea why I am sharing this but the topic of deterrents usually
make me think of this since it is easily the most effective deterrent
that I have ever seen that was also completely non-lethal.
Be good or be careful, your choice.
WVanhou237
<vy...@earthlink.net> writes:
##
## # Up close, they'd be no better (or worse) than any regular bird-shot.
## #<----------------- ticket to the electric chair for the shooter.
##
## Pure nonsense on all counts.
##
#
#And what exactly does this rock-salt do while it's flying at 1200 fps?
#-------guarantee it'll make a believer out of you. (at least for the brief
#moments you'll be alive, afterwards.)
#
Don't we just love the way these threads mutate ------or degenerate ?
(Depending on how you look at it.) This one started about whether it
was true that "in days of yore, did the old grouches use rock salt
loaded shotguns to protect their prized water mellons ?" It was NOT
"will a rock salt loaded Street Sweeper make the ultimate home
defense weapon ?"
I strongly suspect that a shotgun loaded with only a primer and powder
and held tightly against someones abdomen would be fatal.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
Natural Born Cereal Killer
#Two others also got hit age 10 and 12 but not so bad.The problem with
#the14 year old wasn't just being shot but he developed a serious
#infection from the rock salt and that's what almost killed him.
Ah, youth! I remember some of us kids would get together
and just have this craving for apples. Well, the best apples in the
world were to be found in Old Man Harper's orchard around midnight
or so. We'd sneak in, all a-trembling and skittish, and sure
enough a crate would creak or one of us would get caught on the
barbed-wire fence and whisper too loud. We'd see the light in
Harper's house go on, drop the apples and run like hell. For
hours we'd regale ourselves with the brave re-telling of our
exploits, awash in the adrenalin rush of having cheated death
once again. The occassional sound of a shotgun behind us only
added to the bravery, the drama, the knowledge that we may not make
it back from this one.
One fine evening during this daring game of cat and mouse,
Old Man Harper happened to be outside already tending to some
livestock by the barn (probably a cow that was sick or calving).
Thus deprived of our Porch Light Early Warning System, we were
suddenly confronted by The Enemy in Overwhelming Force (ie: one).
We beat feet towards the trees and safety, heard the boom of
the old shotgun, and felt practically nothing at all amiss for
the next minute or so. Once in the safety of the trees, I
noticed I must have snagged myself on the fence. My friends
likewise noticed a few scratches. Once home, we discovered
that rock salt can penetrate a T-shirt at some minor range.
One of my friends reported later that it was an
agonizing session, picking that rock salt out with tweezers.
When asked why he didn't just hop in the shower or tub
and let the water dissolve it away, of course he had no answer.
Once I'd grown a bit more I found that Old Man Harper
was convinced that some animal was responsible for tipping
apple crates in his orchard, and using rock salt was his
choice for scaring it off. It'll sting a bit, might put out
an eye if you're really unlucky, but for the most part it
was probably the best non-lethal solution he could think of.
My junior year I went and worked for him after school,
loading apples and running the cider press. From then until
now I've never had an apple that tasted as good as those we
stole around midnight. And no, I don't even have a battle scar
to brag about from the salt, though there's a few scars from the
fence still in evidence.
It's a pity how one of life's great adventures can
pass the way of the dodo just because somebody might sue.
--
* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 BOTY 1997 vik...@svtv.com *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
Guess Who?
load) for trespassing, or fruit theft - needs a checkup from the neck
up!
Any "ijit", loco enough to pull a stunt like that, will soon find
himself polishing up prison benches with the seat of his pants - for
good reason !
Don
Douglas Trabue
#
# Anyone who thinks shooting someone with a shotgun (regardless of the
# load) for trespassing, or fruit theft - needs a checkup from the neck
# up!
# Any "ijit", loco enough to pull a stunt like that, will soon find
# himself polishing up prison benches with the seat of his pants - for
# good reason !
# Don
#
Seems like it was accepted practice and accepted
hazard of poking around in other people's
property 40 years ago. Seems people had a little
more respect for other people's property too.
Also seems that people took a little more
responsibility for their actions then too. Of
course society is so much better now than then
so I guess it's a good thing that people can
practice crime with no repercussions, and sue
hard working honest people when they knowingly
screw things up. I'm sure glad those days are
over. Now if we could just go back to the days
of doctors bleeding you for what ever ails ya.
Doug T
Bigdunk
Re: Rock Salt shotgun loads
Group: rec.guns Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001, 8:15am (CDT+1) From:
wvanh...@aol.com (WVanhou237)
do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
weapons while firing blanks?
userb3
# Anyone who thinks shooting someone with a shotgun (regardless of the
#load) for trespassing, or fruit theft - needs a checkup from the neck
#up!
Although I agree with you in principle, I'll make a note that after
dark, its awfully hard to tell kids stealing watermelons, from armed
meth runners, and out on the farm most "legit trespassers" (i.e. your
neighbor taking a shortcut home through your field road) take pains to
be pretty obvious. So someone on the property after dark has to be
considered a potential threat until proven otherwise.
That said, I wouldn't shoot trespassers with rock salt. When I shoot at
something, I mean business. If I didn't intend to kill or destroy it, I
wouldn;t shoot.,
--
userb3
Preserve Liberty - Fight Term Limits!
userb3
#Seems like it was accepted practice and accepted
#hazard of poking around in other people's
#property 40 years ago. Seems people had a little
#more respect for other people's property too.
People still do in these parts. We watch out for each other, only hunt
on our land or land belonging to people we know, respect no trespassing
signs, and never shoot near someone's house unless they're with us.
People from town come by my house and my office several times a week to
ask permission to hun our farms (and they're always given it since they
asked). The only trespassing we have any kind of problem with is the
meth runners, and pecan/watermelon/peas theives. But they typically
leave as soon as I show up. No gun required.
-
userb3 - Proud member of the Republican Pro-choice Coalition
http://www.gopchoice.org/index.html
Plink
#
# Why
#do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
#weapons while firing blanks?
Ummm, just a guess here...to make them cycle, since blanks don't
produce enough pressure to cycle the action by themselves?
Mike
Plink
#
# Why
#do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
#weapons while firing blanks?
Ummm, just a guess here...to make them cycle, since blanks don't
produce enough pressure to cycle the action by themselves?
Mike
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Richard Saucier
cucumbers that he guarded viciously. He'd use "rock salt" loads (we were
told) and he fired at us a few times from about 100 feet. No one ever got
hurt. Once, we saw him sneaking up on three of us and two of us quietly got
away, while our buddy was picking these small cukes. He almost died when ole
man Wiseman suddenly asked "What the hell are you doin'?" And our buddy
answered "picking these cukes for you!!", then high-tailed it as quick as he
could. Ole man Wiseman didn't shoot, but the local gendarmes were quickly in
contact with us looking for "buddy". That was the last time we ever ventured
into the cuke patch! A late 50's adventure!!
Natural Born Cereal Killer <vik...@svtv.com> wrote in message
news:9minbs$cku$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# Ah, youth! I remember some of us kids would get together
# and just have this craving for apples. Well, the best apples in the
# world were to be found in Old Man Harper's orchard around midnight
# or so.
Natural Born Cereal Killer
#do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
#weapons while firing blanks?
Oooh! Oooh! Ooooohh! I know! So they'll cycle the
action in those gas-operated rifles?
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* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 BOTY 1997 vik...@svtv.com *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
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#On 29 Aug 2001 19:00:29 -0400, Guess Who? wrote:
## Anyone who thinks shooting someone with a shotgun (regardless of the
##load) for trespassing, or fruit theft - needs a checkup from the neck
##up!
#Although I agree with you in principle, I'll make a note that after
#dark, its awfully hard to tell kids stealing watermelons, from armed
#meth runners, and out on the farm most "legit trespassers" (i.e. your
#neighbor taking a shortcut home through your field road) take pains to
#be pretty obvious. So someone on the property after dark has to be
#considered a potential threat until proven otherwise.
While I agree with the defense of private property, what you're describing
here will get you in trouble, even if it is an armed meth runner.
In many (most?) state, an illegally armed individual not in your
residence, and not posing an imminent threat of death or grave bodily
harm, would not be considered a sufficient threat for you to shoot at.
I think that owning a gun, as a means of self-defense, carries with it the
responsiblity of knowing what is meant by the terms "imminent threat" and
"grave bodily harm". You can get in a whole lot of trouble if you
don't understand how your state defines these terms (or the terms that
they use to cover such an incident).
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Aamund Breivik
Natural Born Cereal Killer wrote in message
<9mnp33$ov4$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#Bigdun...@webtv.net (Bigdunk) writes:
#
##do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
##weapons while firing blanks?
#
# Oooh! Oooh! Ooooohh! I know! So they'll cycle the
#action in those gas-operated rifles?
That too, of course. But at least here in Norway, there is a huge difference
in safety distance with or without an adaptor. IIRC 5 metres with, 30
without. There have been deaths involving blank cartridges at close range;
high-velocity powder gases and case/wadding fragments can easily ruin your
day.
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Aamund Breivik
Plink
wrote:
#
#Natural Born Cereal Killer wrote in message
#<9mnp33$ov4$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
##Bigdun...@webtv.net (Bigdunk) writes:
##
###do you think the military requires installing blank adapters on all
###weapons while firing blanks?
##
## Oooh! Oooh! Ooooohh! I know! So they'll cycle the
##action in those gas-operated rifles?
#
#
#That too, of course. But at least here in Norway, there is a huge difference
#in safety distance with or without an adaptor. IIRC 5 metres with, 30
#without. There have been deaths involving blank cartridges at close range;
#high-velocity powder gases and case/wadding fragments can easily ruin your
#day.
We have Hollywood actor types who think it's safe to put pistols
loaded with blanks to their heads and pull the trigger! After the
first one darwinized, you'd think they'd learn. But hey, we also
elected one president. You'd think we'd learn.
Mike
Adam Kippes
# There have been deaths involving blank cartridges at close range;
# high-velocity powder gases and case/wadding fragments can easily ruin your
# day.
In fact some actor killed himself in just such a manner some years
back.
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Robert Grizzard
# In <9mqhhu$1s7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, Aamund Breivik wrote:
# # There have been deaths involving blank cartridges at close range;
# # high-velocity powder gases and case/wadding fragments can easily ruin your
# # day.
# In fact some actor killed himself in just such a manner some years
# back.
Jon-Erik Hexum.
RSMTMN
heard that its better than the Rocksalt.
Or is it just rumor...
Joseph Lovell
Plink wrote:
#
# We have Hollywood actor types who think it's safe to put pistols
# loaded with blanks to their heads and pull the trigger! After the
# first one darwinized, you'd think they'd learn. But hey, we also
# elected one president. You'd think we'd learn.
#
# Mike
And reelected him, and then put his v.p. in for good measure. Skipped 8
years and then put in the son of the v.p.
Joseph
Plink
#
#Plink wrote:
#
##
## We have Hollywood actor types who think it's safe to put pistols
## loaded with blanks to their heads and pull the trigger! After the
## first one darwinized, you'd think they'd learn. But hey, we also
## elected one president. You'd think we'd learn.
##
## Mike
#And reelected him, and then put his v.p. in for good measure. Skipped 8
#years and then put in the son of the v.p.
Yeah, 8 years of Klinton. Ugh! We definately need to wake up and think
before we vote.
Mike