Zumbo quoted by antis in the US Senate this week
zxcvbob
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ASSAULT WEAPONS
Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, the National Rifle Association leadership
has stated repeatedly that a ban on assault weapons is ineffective and
unnecessary. They assert that guns labeled as assault weapons are
rarely used in violent crimes and that most people use them for
hunting. However, despite these repeated assertions, the list of
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people speaking out against assault weapons continues to grow.
Jim Zumbo, an outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near
Yellowstone National Park, has spent much of his life writing for
prominent outdoor magazines, delivering lectures across the country and
who starred in a highly rated TV show about big-game hunting. Jim has
been an NRA member for 40 years, and, according to his Web site, has
appeared with NRA officials in 70 cities across the country. This
relationship changed drastically when Jim expressed his commonsense
opinion on assault weapons.
Last month, after learning that some hunters were using assault
weapons to hunt prairie dogs, Jim expressed his thoughts in his
personal blog on the Outdoor Life magazine website. He wrote:
Maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these
weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to
call them ``terrorist rifles.''
He continued by stating that in his:
. . . humble opinion, these things have no place in
hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people
who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious
concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that
hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of
our ``sporting firearms.''
The reaction from NRA officials was swift and callous. They
immediately severed all ties with Mr. Zumbo. His TV program on the
Outdoor Channel was canceled, and his longtime career with Outdoor Life
magazine ended. In addition, many of his corporate ties to the biggest
names in gun making, such as Remington Arms Co., were terminated.
Jim Zumbo has worked for years to improve the image of outdoorsmen.
As he put it:
As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the
woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public,
an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce
ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them
from the prairies and woods.
We all owe Jim Zumbo a debt of gratitude for his forthrightness, his
honesty and his courage. We must put the safety of our communities
first by taking up and passing sensible gun legislation that includes
renewing the assault weapons ban.
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#[Congressional Record: March 20, 2007 (Senate)]
#[Page S3347-S3348]
# From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
#[DOCID:cr20mr07-117]
# ASSAULT WEAPONS
#
# Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, the National Rifle Association leadership
#has stated repeatedly that a ban on assault weapons is ineffective and
#unnecessary. They assert that guns labeled as assault weapons are
#rarely used in violent crimes and that most people use them for
#hunting. However, despite these repeated assertions, the list of
#
#[[Page S3348]]
#
#people speaking out against assault weapons continues to grow.
# Jim Zumbo, an outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near
#Yellowstone National Park, has spent much of his life writing for
#prominent outdoor magazines, delivering lectures across the country and
#who starred in a highly rated TV show about big-game hunting. Jim has
#been an NRA member for 40 years, and, according to his Web site, has
#appeared with NRA officials in 70 cities across the country. This
#relationship changed drastically when Jim expressed his commonsense
#opinion on assault weapons.
# Last month, after learning that some hunters were using assault
#weapons to hunt prairie dogs, Jim expressed his thoughts in his
#personal blog on the Outdoor Life magazine website. He wrote:
#
# Maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these
# weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to
# call them ``terrorist rifles.''
#
# He continued by stating that in his:
#
# . . . humble opinion, these things have no place in
# hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people
# who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious
# concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that
# hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of
# our ``sporting firearms.''
#
# The reaction from NRA officials was swift and callous. They
#immediately severed all ties with Mr. Zumbo. His TV program on the
#Outdoor Channel was canceled, and his longtime career with Outdoor Life
#magazine ended. In addition, many of his corporate ties to the biggest
#names in gun making, such as Remington Arms Co., were terminated.
# Jim Zumbo has worked for years to improve the image of outdoorsmen.
#As he put it:
#
# As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the
# woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public,
# an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce
# ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them
# from the prairies and woods.
#
# We all owe Jim Zumbo a debt of gratitude for his forthrightness, his
#honesty and his courage. We must put the safety of our communities
#first by taking up and passing sensible gun legislation that includes
#renewing the assault weapons ban.
This is why Zumbo can never un-do what he did to us. He cannot un-ring that
bell. He should follow the Admiral Jeremy Boorda example.
Larry E Brenton
<zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
> ...
Why I'm writing this? I don't know. I'm only preaching to the choir.
More political half truths, indirectly lumping semi-automatic firearms
with full-automatic to generate more antagonism among the uninformed.
I would venture to say that a serious varmit hunter would NOT use a
full automatic rifle as they are extremely difficult, under full
automatic fire, to accurately put rounds on target. Now there are
those that enjoy burning up barrels under the guise of varmit hunting.
More power to them, they are keeping the ammunition producers, barrel
makers and gunsmiths in business. They are not doing any extra harm
to the varmit population in my opinion. Put side by side with an
equally accurate bolt action rifle and the later will put more rounds
on target.
Semi-automatic rifle fire for accuracy is only slightly faster than
what an experienced rifleman can do with a bolt action rifle. The
main advantage most semi-automatics have over most bolt action rifles
is how often you must reload the magazines there by disturbing your
shooting position. The semi-automatics also have a bigger problem
with barrel heat due to the slightly faster rate of fire when trying
to accurately put a round on target.
Enough venting. I know most of you reading this already agree already.
I just wish we could only educate those semi-educated characters in
our state and national capitols.
Tom S,
"zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:eu338u$5ni$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# [Congressional Record: March 20, 2007 (Senate)]
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(See any reference to "Argument from Authority")
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{snip naueating bilge}
That was predicted as soon as the words rolled off his word processor.
jha...@pobox.com
On Mar 24, 7:49 am, zxcvbob <zxcv...@charter.net> wrote:
# [Congressional Record: March 20, 2007 (Senate)]
Gerald "Brick" Brickwood
I certainly hope Zumbo sees this, since it reflects the main reason he was
jumped on!
--
Gerald F. Brickwood
LTC EN USA (RET)
Dean Speir
An entirely foreseeable happenstance, but two points are of interest:
1.- The Senator is absolutely incorrect in citing that
"The reaction from NRA officials
was swift and callous."
The NRA didn't show up until Zumbo
was shot, stuffed and mounted by others, and
only then to kick the corpse. The NRA had very
little to do with anything in this instance.
2.- If Mr. Zumbo's Nugent-counseled recantation is
sincere, he should as pubically and loudly call
Senator Levin out on this, and repudiate the man
in the Congressional Record.
Will the real Jim Zumbo please stand up?
--
- Dean Speir <Dean...@thegunzone.com>
Formerly Famous Gunwriter / Gun Zone Maintainer
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|
|This is why Zumbo can never un-do what he did to us. He cannot un-ring that
|bell. He should follow the Admiral Jeremy Boorda example.
|
This is a bit OT, but maybe it will pass muster . . .
Um. Possibly a poor choice of example?
I've never been comfortable with the 'official story' on Boorda's death.
By the time one arrives at CNO one reaches a level of maturity such that minor
things like ribbons and decorations are no longer life and death concerns. That
level of maturity is usually reached at the Lieutenant or Commander level.
Then too, I've never heard of anybody else ever shooting themselves in the
chest, it has always been into the mouth or the temple.
But I remember an investigator back in the Billie Sol Estes scandal in Texas who
went into a cow pasture and committed suicide by shooting himself in the back
four times with a 22 rifle. Look it up.
I am implying here that I think Admiral Boorda was murdered.
Best regards
John
Bill Gray
<snip>
# We all owe Jim Zumbo a debt of gratitude for his forthrightness, his
# honesty and his courage. We must put the safety of our communities
# first by taking up and passing sensible gun legislation that includes
# renewing the assault weapons ban.
#
# ____________________
#
#
Local political commentator on TV was speaking of Zumbo and said that
the "NRA character assassination" was done by the NRA leadership and
showed how out of touch the NRA leadership is with their members. He
predicted that this could prove to be a costly mistake for the NRA since
he'd heard thousands of NRA members were leaving the NRA in disgust.
I've heard this analysis in other venues as well, apparently this is the
current Party line on the subject.
Bill
--
"In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro"
Dean Speir
# I am implying here that I think Admiral Boorda was murdered.
Not anymore you're not.
--
- Dean Speir <Dean...@thegunzone.com>
Formerly Famous Gunwriter / Gun Zone Maintainer
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Bill Smith
<min...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
#On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC), Jeff Burke <k7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
#|
#|
#|This is why Zumbo can never un-do what he did to us. He cannot un-ring that
#|bell. He should follow the Admiral Jeremy Boorda example.
#|
#
#This is a bit OT, but maybe it will pass muster . . .
#Um. Possibly a poor choice of example?
#I've never been comfortable with the 'official story' on Boorda's death.
#By the time one arrives at CNO one reaches a level of maturity such that minor
#things like ribbons and decorations are no longer life and death concerns. That
#level of maturity is usually reached at the Lieutenant or Commander level.
#Then too, I've never heard of anybody else ever shooting themselves in the
#chest, it has always been into the mouth or the temple.
#But I remember an investigator back in the Billie Sol Estes scandal in Texas who
#went into a cow pasture and committed suicide by shooting himself in the back
#four times with a 22 rifle. Look it up.
#I am implying here that I think Admiral Boorda was murdered.
#Best regards
#John
I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. People can often be
very capable and have some foibles about them that don't quite go who
they are. Boorda did not enter the service as an officer, but came up
from the enlisted ranks, supposedly he'd faced some discrimination
about it from his brother officers and had a bit of a chip on his
shoulder about it. He didn't give much thought to the consequences to
wearing false decorations and then couldn't bear the embarrassment
when he was found out. It's not hard the believe.
It's not usual, of course, but I've heard of several instances of
people shooting themselves in the chest. Maybe they wanted to look
nice in the casket.
Then, finally, what would be the motive for murder? Who would gain,
and what would they gain?
Don't forget Occam's razor.
Bill Smith
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas
habebunt
jadel
# |bell. He should follow the Admiral Jeremy Boorda example.
# |
#
# This is a bit OT, but maybe it will pass muster . . .
# Um. Possibly a poor choice of example?
# I've never been comfortable with the 'official story' on Boorda's death.
# By the time one arrives at CNO one reaches a level of maturity such that minor
# things like ribbons and decorations are no longer life and death concerns. That
# level of maturity is usually reached at the Lieutenant or Commander level.
# Then too, I've never heard of anybody else ever shooting themselves in the
# chest, it has always been into the mouth or the temple.
Vincent Van Gogh shot himself in the chest.
It's more common among women than among men, but it isn't unheard of.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col
jadel
# On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:49:50 +0000 (UTC), zxcvbob <zxcv...@charter.net> wrote:
#
# This is why Zumbo can never un-do what he did to us. He cannot un-ring that
# bell. He should follow the Admiral Jeremy Boorda example.
Have you gone mad?
J. Del col