Wow. It works!
Ron Seiden
One part each of ATF, acetone & kerosene. (The recipe I have says also some
lanolin or such, but my guns don't need soft hands, especially if it's an
ingredient I'd have to hunt for.) The kero I got was the water-white stuff
suitable for home heaters & lamps, as it was what I could find quickly, but
I don't think the guns will mind. a little extra refinement.
Dropped in my Cougar 8045 (sans grips) and let it sit while I ate dinner.
This gun needed some serious cleaning after the last tin can war. I pulled
it out, brushed it a little, and sat down to give it a "real" cleaning.
Suffice to say, the gun was already cleaner than it had ever been before.
Even old crud in the barrel (that I didn't know was there 'cause it never
came out on patches) came loose. I especially like that crud and dirty oils
in tiny spaces I normally could hardly reach came out in the soaking -- zero
effort.
I am a complete convert. Soaking beats the heck out of hours of scrubbing.
One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
lacquer thinner for the acetone?
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# I am a complete convert. Soaking beats the heck out of hours of scrubbing.
Congrats on your success. I may give it a shot myself someday, but I'm
sticking with the mineral spirits for right now. You've got to soak a
few hours longer, but it still does the job.
I have a question for the Ed's Red users out there -- why the other
stuff in addition to the acetone? I'm no chemistry major, but acetone
is one aggressive solvent, far more aggressive than any of the other
ingrediants. I suspect it's doing most of the cleaning. I used to use
the stuff myself to soak parts I didn't want to scrub (like 10/22 bolts,
so filthy I didn't want to touch them) and it worked great. The only
reasons I gave it up were the toxicity and smell. I'm thinking the ATF
and kerosene are there for corrosion protection, but I AM curious.
Abernathey Family
#
# Well, after seeing the discussions, I made up a small batch of "Ed's Red".
# One part each of ATF, acetone & kerosene. (The recipe I have says also some
# lanolin or such, but my guns don't need soft hands, especially if it's an
# ingredient I'd have to hunt for.) The kero I got was the water-white stuff
# suitable for home heaters & lamps, as it was what I could find quickly, but
# I don't think the guns will mind. a little extra refinement.
#
# Dropped in my Cougar 8045 (sans grips) and let it sit while I ate dinner.
# This gun needed some serious cleaning after the last tin can war. I pulled
# it out, brushed it a little, and sat down to give it a "real" cleaning.
# Suffice to say, the gun was already cleaner than it had ever been before.
# Even old crud in the barrel (that I didn't know was there 'cause it never
# came out on patches) came loose. I especially like that crud and dirty oils
# in tiny spaces I normally could hardly reach came out in the soaking -- zero
# effort.
#
# I am a complete convert. Soaking beats the heck out of hours of scrubbing.
#
# One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
# lacquer thinner for the acetone?
--snip--
I personally would drop the acetone, mainly because it is so volatile.
I'm sure the acetone really helps the cleaning process. If you leave
out the acetone, you could mix the stuff in standard containers.
Acetone disolves all but specialty plastics and stinks up my garage.
I use Ed's Red to clean my 1911's just the same way you did. The ATF
leaves a nice film that lubricates and prevents rust in places hard to
get to.
Thank you
Don Abernathey
Mag7stw
Strider
I don't know the specific answer to your question but I do know
that some chemicals don't like getting mixed together and the
results can be surprising. Having a sorted history of mixing
various chemical substances together in a demented effort to get
a stable explosive (only for blowing out stumps of course) taught
me caution in this regard.
As far as Ed's goes, it works well, why bother?
Strider
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# Well, after seeing the discussions, I made up a small batch of "Ed's Red".
# One part each of ATF, acetone & kerosene. (The recipe I have says also
some
# lanolin or such, but my guns don't need soft hands, especially if it's an
# ingredient I'd have to hunt for.) The kero I got was the water-white stuff
# suitable for home heaters & lamps, as it was what I could find quickly,
but
# I don't think the guns will mind. a little extra refinement.
#
# Dropped in my Cougar 8045 (sans grips) and let it sit while I ate dinner.
# This gun needed some serious cleaning after the last tin can war. I pulled
# it out, brushed it a little, and sat down to give it a "real" cleaning.
# Suffice to say, the gun was already cleaner than it had ever been before.
# Even old crud in the barrel (that I didn't know was there 'cause it never
# came out on patches) came loose. I especially like that crud and dirty
oils
# in tiny spaces I normally could hardly reach came out in the soaking --
zero
# effort.
#
# I am a complete convert. Soaking beats the heck out of hours of scrubbing.
#
# One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
# lacquer thinner for the acetone?
#
Can't say as I know for sure but I'd guess that it would make a difference.
Acetone is in the Ketone family while the thinner is just a hydrocarbon,
IIRC. The acetone will be somewhat polar while the hydrocarbon will be
basically non-polar. This will make a difference in what the mixture will
disolve.
Goop and similar products contain lanolin. Maybe do some experimenting and
put in a bit of Goop.
Ronald S. Shin, PhD
Big Daddy Rishar wrote:
# stuff in addition to the acetone? I'm no chemistry major, but acetone
# is one aggressive solvent, far more aggressive than any of the other
# ingrediants. I suspect it's doing most of the cleaning.
Bascially, each solvent used has a certain level of polarity. Acetone, is
somewhat polar, and can dissolve polar "junk" on your gun parts better than
kerosene, which is virtually non-polar, can. At the same time, kerosene,
comprising of mostly n-dodecane and several benzene and naphthalene derivatives
(at least from my analysis on a GC/MS), is considered a non-polar solvent, and
can dissolve the "greasier," non-polar contaminants better than acetone can.
Those contaminants on your gun parts are going to be a mixture of polar and
non-polar compounds, and the use of both acetone and kerosene helps wash off
more than either alone.
# so filthy I didn't want to touch them) and it worked great. The only
# reasons I gave it up were the toxicity and smell.
Actually, the hazard of kerosene is greater than that for acetone. In fact,
your body generates a small amount of acetone when breaking down amino acids.
At least acetone quickly evaporates, and that if it gets on your skin, not too
much gets through compared to kerosene, on the other hand, being much less
volatile (although the fumes *can* give you dizziness and nausea, followed by a
possible coma in LARGE amounts), and stays on your skin, defattening it by
literally ripping out the lipids that help keep your skin together, opening up
your previously intact skin to all sorts of infections by airborne things.
Now, before anyone panics, or calls me crazy and paranoid, I am talking about
very large amounts here, and that the amounts you normally come in contact with
when cleaning your guns, isn't going to do all of this overnight! Of course,
you should be wearing rubber gloves when cleaning your firearms.
John Warsaw
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"Ron Seiden" <rse...@alphaaccess.net> wrote:
> ...
Indeed, the power of soaking is very powerful. All bore cleaners, gun oils,
copper solvents, CLPs, ect. need some degree of time for soaking. My favorite
stuff I like to soak guns in is G 96 Complete Gun Treatment.
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# >One part each of ATF, acetone What is ATF?
#
ATF = Automatic Transmission Fluid
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Red".
# One part each of ATF, acetone & kerosene. (The recipe I have says
also some
# lanolin or such, but my guns don't need soft hands, especially if
it's an
# ingredient I'd have to hunt for.)
# <snip>
# One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
# lacquer thinner for the acetone?
#
Ron,
Regarding your question about substituting lacquer thinner for the
acetone, I'm pretty sure that's okay. In fact, IIRC, in the recipe you
should already have one part mineral spirits (same thing, right?) in
addition to all the other ingredients you've used. You can leave the
acetone and lanolin out, so says the FAQ.
Did you drop in the whole trigger mechanism, slide and all? I was
thinking of trying that, too, but there are parts in my slide that are
nearly impossible to clean out afterwards without extensive
disassembly. I'm also concerned about the polymer frames. What do you
guys think?
Andy
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>
> >>One part each of ATF, acetone What is ATF?
Automatic Transmission Fluid. I believe the recipe called for Dextron
II, but I'm not certain.
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Ralph Mowery
made ?
He describes the purpose of each component.
If not I think I can send them to you copied from Ed himself off the old
fido net bbs.
# I have a question for the Ed's Red users out there -- why the other
# stuff in addition to the acetone? I'm no chemistry major, but acetone
# is one aggressive solvent, far more aggressive than any of the other
# ingrediants. I suspect it's doing most of the cleaning. I used to use
# the stuff myself to soak parts I didn't want to scrub (like 10/22 bolts,
# so filthy I didn't want to touch them) and it worked great. The only
# reasons I gave it up were the toxicity and smell. I'm thinking the ATF
# and kerosene are there for corrosion protection, but I AM curious.
#
Ralph Mowery
Fluid.
*************************
Below is copied from ED off old Fido net.
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CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner
1 part Dexron II or IIe ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits, or Stoddard Solvent,
Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS #64741-49-9 (aka "Varsol")
1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.
(Optional up to 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, aka
Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)
MIXING INSTRUCTIONS:
Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal or
chemical-resistant PET pr PVC plastic container. Do NOT use
HDPE, as it is breathable abnd the acetone will evaporate. Also
ER will eat HDPE in about 6 months, making a heck of a mess!
Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the other
components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. If you incorporate
the lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double
boiler, taking precautions against fire and pour it into a larger
container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner
mix, and stirring until it is all dissolved.
I recommend diverting a small quantity, about 4 ozs. of the 50-50
ATF/kerosene for use as an "ER-compatible" gun oil. This can be
done without impairing the effectiveness of the resulting mix.
Mag7stw wrote:
#
# >One part each of ATF, acetone What is ATF?
#
#
Ron Seiden
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# snip
# I have a question for the Ed's Red users out there -- why the other
# stuff in addition to the acetone? I'm no chemistry major, but acetone
# is one aggressive solvent, far more aggressive than any of the other
# ingrediants. I suspect it's doing most of the cleaning. I used to use
# the stuff myself to soak parts I didn't want to scrub (like 10/22 bolts,
# so filthy I didn't want to touch them) and it worked great. The only
# reasons I gave it up were the toxicity and smell. I'm thinking the ATF
# and kerosene are there for corrosion protection, but I AM curious.
Kerosene is a good dirt solvent, as well as providing lubrication. It used
to be used for engine flush and still seems to be a major component of
powder solvents. Seems it would help get out carbon and dirty oils. As for
ATF, it is formulated with metal cleaners, conditioners and lubricants (it's
all that goes into your auto tranny, so it has to do multiple things well).
Strider
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are a tax collection agency of the US Government that were given
guns some years ago and often run amok without warning, shooting
members of eccentric churches, women armed with babies, and
assorted citizens who might accidentally break one of the 20,000+
Federal firearms laws.
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that the acetone has evaporated before it removed the offending
gunk. By mixing it with the other items, the aforementioned gunk
gets suspended in solution so it gets "washed" away besides
slowing the acetone's evaporation.
Strider
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# >One part each of ATF, acetone What is ATF?
Alcohol tobacco and firearms. I use Early Times, Camel Straights, and
a ground up Lorcin, (1/3 part of each)
R.M.R.
Could someone tell Mr. Know it All ( me ) just what is dead Red...or Mr.
ed..,..No wait a minute
Ed's Red.Sounds like some guy stayed in the sun to long..you know ED.
No really what is Ed's Red,Seeing I'm like most,love shooting but can't
get the wife to clean all my guns perfect (sure in my dreams) them so if
easier is better I want in.So what's it all about.Two parts this and one
part what?Like the other guy asked ( What is ATF )
Do ya mix a little Reno in there too. (-;{] Thanks
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum)
John Kepler
#Bascially, each solvent used has a certain level of polarity. Acetone, is
#somewhat polar, and can dissolve polar "junk" on your gun parts better than
#kerosene, which is virtually non-polar, can.
As an addendum to this very informative post on polar and non-polar
solvents.
The ATF (that's Automatic Transmission Fluid to those of you that find the
area under your automobile hood as "terra incognita") serves an important
function, given the strong mix of polar and non-polar solvents being used.
One of the MAJOR weaknesses of using a strong polar solvent on a firearm
like trichloroethylene or heptane (automotive brake cleaner) is that is
strips virtually every bit of lubricant out of the metal surface. Without
careful reapplication of this lubricant/protectant, wear and corrosion are
the inevitable result.
The typical "Ed's Red" formula adds the ATF, which is a high-shear, high
film-strength hydraulic oil, with fair lubricity to replace the oils that
the solvents are stripping. In this way, Ed's Red provides the strong
solvent action as well as protecting the surface of the part. The ATF then
can act as a sub-strate to pull other lubricants into the surface pores of
the metal (Parkerizing and blueing provide NO corrosion resistence on their
own...they DO, however, provide a micro-structure that traps and hold oils
that DO protect the metal surface).
John
#
Putnam City North High School
would seem just as cheap and very much more effective than Ed's Red.
You can get milsurp bore cleaner at http://www.cheaperthandirt.com and
http://www.colemans.com
Andrew T Still
Al Horn
Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
> ...
I agree with you 1OOO%. I wouldn't use Ed's Red for anything. These people
should try G-96 Complete Gun Treatment ( http://www.g96.com ). I think these
people would be very pleased with the results of G 96. Al H --
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# Regarding your question about substituting lacquer thinner for the
# acetone, I'm pretty sure that's okay. In fact, IIRC, in the recipe you
# should already have one part mineral spirits (same thing, right?) in
Uh, no.
I'm not sure of the chemical differences, but as a former painter, I can
tell you
that lacquer thinner will dissolve stuff that laughs at mineral spirits.
It'll also
do nasty things to your skin of you give it time.
jw...@my-deja.com
I'd stay away from Acetone. Very flammable, and agressive on anything
living, and a lot of things that aren't. It's nail polish remover.
What I'd like to know is, what do you do with this mixture after use?
Brown-out the weeds?
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wrote:
<snip>
#One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
#lacquer thinner for the acetone?
Lacquer thinner is more volatile than gasoline! Don't use it unless
you have paid-up fire insurance and a death wish.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm not a painter, but I did
find the Mineral Spirits in the paint thinner section at the hardware
store so I (mistakenly, I suppose) assumed they were the same. In any
case, for those that posted similar questions about where to find it,
the mineral spirits are marked "Mineral Spirits" in the harware store
and some people even use it to clean up paint in addition to putting it
in their Ed's Red. So, given Mr. Chambless' post, I would stick to
using mineral spirits and not lacquer thinner.
Thanks,
Andy
Alex Clayton
Ruger's? I mean as in soaking the frame in it.
#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
Ralph Mowery
Varsol is a common name they should know. Mineral Spirits are a form of
brush cleaner/paint thinner. Not sure but think the CAS #64741-49-9 is a
number that is assigned to the product by or for the government for
chemicals that can be harmful to you or the enviroment.
Ron Seiden wrote:
#
# Okay, I understand what Kerosene, ATF and Acetone are -- What's the common
# (as in, go into Home Depot and ask for it) name of "Aliphatic Mineral
# Spirits, or Stoddard Solvent, Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS #64741-49-9 (aka
# "Varsol")"?
Ralph Mowery
for gun magazines and worked for Ruger. He probably saw or tried more
comercial stuff on more guns than most. If you want I can send you what
I got from him off an old BBS system before the internet came into
common use. YOu can mix up a gallon or so of it for about $ 10 to $ 15
..
"R.M.R." wrote:
#
# Seems I came in on the end of this.
# Could someone tell Mr. Know it All ( me ) just what is dead Red...or Mr.
# ed..,..No wait a minute
# Ed's Red.Sounds like some guy stayed in the sun to long..you know ED.
# No really what is Ed's Red,Seeing I'm like most,love shooting but can't
# get the wife to clean all my guns perfect (sure in my dreams) them so if
# easier is better I want in.So what's it all about.Two parts this and one
# part what?Like the other guy asked ( What is ATF )
# Do ya mix a little Reno in there too. (-;{] Thanks
#
Doug White
In article <8pmitv$6de$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, "John Kepler" <bigjo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<snip>
#(Parkerizing and blueing provide NO corrosion resistence on their
#own...they DO, however, provide a micro-structure that traps and hold oils
#that DO protect the metal surface).
Actually, real oxide blueing DOES provide protection against corrosion.
It's basically like anodizing, in that it's an oxide that isn't porous,
and it won't 'hold oil'. It doesn't have the hardness of anodizing, but
if it's done properly, all of the exposed metal is already 'rusted' and
it won't rust any more.
Blueing small parts is done by rusting them (red rust), and then boiling
them to convert the red rust to blueing (black rust). Once you've done
it several times, the chemicals used to rust the metal (which are VERY
good at produces red rust) no longer work. No oil involved.
Doug White
John Garand
wrote:
#One question: would it help, hurt or make no difference to substitute
#lacquer thinner for the acetone?
Laquer thinner would be much less aggressive than the acetone, at
least that is true for other uses to which the two might be put and
probably would also hold true in this use. Try it. Acetone is
generally the most expensive component of those you list, so little
will be lost. I suspect it was tried when the formula was worked up.
Strider
1 part Dexron II or III automatic transmission fluid = Ed's Red
Please do add a famous Reno to the mix if the opportunity arises,
however, you will need to dump the whole bitch, er, batch at the
landfill.
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# >One part each of ATF, acetone What is ATF?
Automatic Transmission Fluid.
Must drive a standard transmission vehicle.
Putnam City North High School
Andrew T Still
R.M.R.
#What I'd like to know is, what do you do with this mixture after use?
Brown-out the weeds?
I'd head to the nearest fire ant mound and burn there little guts
out.little bastards.
Ray
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para bellum)
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solvent and pretty dunk anything I don't want to take apart into it
and let the thing soak. It's especially good for rifle bolts etc...
Needless to say, The thing is so cheap and easy to whip up that I can
go through a batch of Ed's Red quite readily without much worry about
cost.
On 12 Sep 2000 21:01:42 -0400, pc...@webtv.net (Putnam City North High
School) wrote:
> ...
Ron Seiden
Spirits, or Stoddard Solvent, Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS #64741-49-9 (aka
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Eunice Perschke
Would probably work. Containes a blend of Toluene Xylene Hexane Acetone
Methyl-Cellusolve & a few others I don't remember. Ex Qc. paint factory.
White outlines & plastic inserts on sights may be damaged.
Dick
grantcunningham
#
# This is a gun cleaning solution developed by Ed Harris.
Actually, Ed himself doesn't take much credit for it - he says that it's
just a modern version of an armory gun cleaner that was published a very
long time ago.
# He probably saw or tried more comercial stuff on more guns than most.
Anyone who knows Ed's background would agree with you 110%!
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"R.M.R." wrote:
# I'd head to the nearest fire ant mound and burn there little guts
# out.little bastards.
Don't bother lighting it. The kerosene and acetone in the solution will
literally dissolve off the chitin exoskeletons of the ants, turning them
into mini-pools of dissolved chitin and formic acid.
Your local dump may very well have a facility for disposing of such a
mixture, probably by incineration in smaller quantities.
Billy Chambless
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# What about Polymer frames? Anyone ever tried this stuff on one of the
# Ruger's? I mean as in soaking the frame in it.
Somebody who actually knows some chemistry can give an authoritative answer,
but using acetone on Ruger frames strikes me, intuitively, as wrong.
Acetone is powerful stuff.
Billy Chambless
I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these days.
"Ralph Mowery" <rmo...@dialpoint.net> wrote in message
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# Look in the paint section under the paint thinner and brush cleaners.
# Varsol is a common name they should know. Mineral Spirits are a form of
# brush cleaner/paint thinner. Not sure but think the CAS #64741-49-9 is a
# number that is assigned to the product by or for the government for
# chemicals that can be harmful to you or the enviroment.
John Garand
#What I'd like to know is, what do you do with this mixture after use?
If you are "dunking", reuse it until it really gets filthy - then the
fire ant mound treatment routine sounds like a great idea!
John Garand
#In article <8pkurc$1ug$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# Par...@webtv.net (R.M.R.) wrote:
# > ...
#
#I agree with you 1OOO%. I wouldn't use Ed's Red for anything. These people
#should try G-96 Complete Gun Treatment ( http://www.g96.com ). I think these
#people would be very pleased with the results of G 96. Al H --
#hal...@osuokc.edu
And pray tell us, kind sir, how much it would cost to come up with
enough G-96 to be able to submerge an entire revolver (less grips) for
"dunk" cleaning?
Andy J.
"Billy Chambless" <bi...@erc.msstate.edu> wrote:
# The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
#
I went to the grocery store bought a one gallon glass jug of table
wine, "disposed" of the wine, and used the jug for the Ed's Red. It
actually looks very nice in that jug being it has a nice red color,
fruity bouquet (not!), and strong tannins. :)
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The cost of G-96 is cheaper than one would think. :) Steve H
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of Gallo wine and drank the thing in about 3 days. Now I have a
perfect gallon size glass bottle to mix Ed's Red in. Just make sure
you label the bottle so you won't think it's Zinfandel and drink the
thing later on.
On 14 Sep 2000 18:44:45 -0400, "Billy Chambless"
<bi...@erc.msstate.edu> wrote:
#The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
#
#I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these days.
MC Recon
# Ruger's? I mean as in soaking the frame in it.
I wouldn't do that, it can't possibly be good for it.
Ron Seiden
leave it out of the recipe: it's by far the single most expensive ingredient
(cost me almost $20 for one pound).
Alex Clayton
>wrote:
The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
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#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
TimeRanger
<bi...@erc.msstate.edu> wrote:
#The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
#
#I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these days.
#
Try your local paint store.
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> ...
Mr. Clayton:
A bore cleaner that would porbably be much safer for your Ruger would be M
Pro 7. You can find it at http://www.mp7.com They should be able to help
you.
It's the acetone and mineral sperits that worry me about Ed's Red. Steve H
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Old Crow
please make sure you label that bottle and insure there is no way
some kid can sneak a swig of it, thinking its still wine.
# I went to the grocery store bought a one gallon glass jug of table
# wine, "disposed" of the wine, and used the jug for the Ed's Red. It
# actually looks very nice in that jug being it has a nice red color,
# fruity bouquet (not!), and strong tannins. :)
Midnight Writer
>
> The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
>
> days.
I'm about due to paint the kitchen - a metal paint can seems an ideal
jug for it - easy dipping and all.
Cleaning out latex paint cans is pretty easy - it's messier when they're
fresh, but when left to dry, the residue peels out like a bad sunburn.
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arn_werks
If your guests say that it tastes better than
your normal wine, you need to change wine or
friends. Stick to the stuff in a box and no one
will be confused.
I used to drink wine but it makes me fart too
much.
Regards,
Red Bell
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resistant.
I've been using Ed's on my P95 for a long time without damage but
I've never SOAKED the alloy frame. I've noticed no effect on
synthetic rifle stocks a la Remington, Savage, and Choat.
I DO however, remove the Packmeyer grips before giving my 1911 a
bath although, during cleaning, I do not. Ed's has run onto the
grip many times with no noted effect.
I've had no experience with polymer frames but, again, I would
call the manufacturer. You likely wouldn't be the first to ask
that question.
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Alex Clayton
>wrote:
..
A bore cleaner that would porbably be much safer for your Ruger would be
M Pro 7. You can find it at http://www.mp7.com They should be able to
help you.
It's the acetone and mineral sperits that worry me about Ed's Red. Steve
H
At $65 a gallon I don't think i'll be trying that as a soak. I use brake
cleaner on it with no harm I was a little nervous about soaking it in
acetone though. I guess what i'll do is after I make up a batch is drop
a mag in it for a while and see what happens. If it screws it up i've
got plenty if not i'll try the frame and let you all know how it works.
#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
Al Horn
I think that you will be pleasently surprised about how affordable G 96
Complete Gun Treatment is. Not only is it inexpensive, but it's effective
too.
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# > ...
#The cost of G-96 is cheaper than one would think. :) Steve H
$4.95 plus shipping for 6 oz. according to their web-site. That's $105.60
per gallon, and does NOT fit my definition of "cheaper" by any stretch of
the imagination!
John
Putnam City North High School
long distance call is a bargin compared to buying a new pistol.
Andrew T Still
Putnam City North High School
John Garand
#In article <8prkt9$k1a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# John Garand <Garand_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
# > ...
#The cost of G-96 is cheaper than one would think. :) Steve H
OK, I'll list the cost of making up 4 gallons of Ed's Red:
1 gallon Dexron compatible ATF @ about $3.00 to $4.00 * $4.00
1 gallon Acetone @ $8.00 (what I paid for my last gallon) $8.00
1 gallon Mineral Spirits $2.00
1 gallon Kerosene Don't know what the de-scented stuff $2.00
costs, but regular is still under $2.00 per gallon
While sales tax might push that up a tad, Acetone sells for varying
prices, and I leave out the lanolin - that is what I paid $16.00 for 4
gallons of the stuff.
* I bought a case of 12 at Sam's for about $11.00 (10.95 IIRC).
So how much will 4 gallons of G-96 cost?
Or, how much G-96 will $16.00 buy.
Answer it whichever way you are able.
John Garand
wrote:
#BC > Billy Chambless <bi...@erc.msstate.edu> commented:
# >
# > The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
# >
# > I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these
# > days.
#
#I'm about due to paint the kitchen - a metal paint can seems an ideal
#jug for it - easy dipping and all.
But be careful. I just purchased 6 gallons of paint and the sides are
metal but the bottoms are plastic. It prevents the old problem of
having the bottom of the can rust out while sitting in the barn, but
whether that plastic will stand up to the acetone content of Ed's Red
is unknown.
John Garand
#In article <8prkt9$k1a$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
# John Garand <Garand_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
# > ...
#Mr. Gerand
#
#I think that you will be pleasently surprised about how affordable G 96
#Complete Gun Treatment is. Not only is it inexpensive, but it's effective
#too.
#
#Al H
You wouldn't "whoof" another Okie, would you? I'd be pleasantly
surprised if I didn't have to open lots of smaller bottles/cans in
order to get a couple of gallons of G-96 in one container
As a Cameron Aggie alum I can state that I will eat your "Cowboy" hat
if it comes in at around $4.00 per gallon!
I wouldn't eat mine, it cost me too danged much! :-))
nt...@iafdw.com
#The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
#I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these days.
I used a gallon HI-C fruit punch glass jug. Works great!
Michael L. Kuchera
Michael L. Kuchera
David Lee Brashier
Red is cheaper than RB-17 Bore Cleaner http://www.rb-17.com
David Lee Brashier
Alex Clayton
>wrote:
long distance call is a bargin compared to buying a new pistol.
Andrew T Still
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am dubious of this is
#1 With co's scared to death of lawyers I doubt it would be easy to find
anyone who was allowed to give any advice over the phone.
#2 Even if someone there tells me yes it's fine or no don't use it I
would be worried about whether or not they knew what they were talking
about. Since the receiver is the serial numbered part on this pistol I
could just buy a new frame if had to. As I said i'll try a mag first
and see what if anything it does to the plastic in them. I have used
brake cleaner on them which has acetone in it with no problem. I'll let
the group know how it comes out.
#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
John Garand
Brashier) wrote:
#I challenge you or anyone to try and tell me that the sub standard Ed's
#Red is cheaper than RB-17 Bore Cleaner http://www.rb-17.com
#
That's unfair. I had already posted my cost per gallon. Now I can't
sucker you into a wager, can I?
John Garand
School) wrote:
#Isn't Mil-C-372C Military Surplus bore cleaner cheaper than Ed's Red?
Is that standard bore cleaner, or is it CLP?
I've bought the old GI bore cleaner (Korean War surplus) for as little
as $0.50 for a 3 or 4 oz can within the last few years. I've bought
CLP surplus pint bottles for under $10.00. I don't think any of it,
unless you can find 55 gallon drums on the market, will undercut the
$4.00 per gallon which Ed's Red costs me (without the lanolin).
David Lee Brashier
only cost $76.99 a gallon, Hoppe's # 9 $73.67, Kleen Bore # 1O Solvent
$53.OO, and Kleen Bore Formula 3 gun coditioner $49.6O a gallon which is
a bargin. The question isn't which is cheaper (price shouldn't be a
factor) but which is effective and Ed's Red looses BIG TIME on this
account.
David Lee Brashier
David Lee Brashier
Break Free CLP cost 76.99 a gallon, Hoppe's # 9 $73.67 a gallon, Kleen
Bore # 1O $53.OO, and Formula 3 Gun Conditioner is the Bargin at 49.6O.
Personally, I think that RB-17 is better than the whole mix, and that
includes both G 96 and Ed's Red.
David Lee Brashier
Strider
David Lee Brashier wrote:
#
# I challenge you or anyone to try and tell me that the sub standard Ed's
# Red is cheaper than RB-17 Bore Cleaner http://www.rb-17.com
#
# David Lee Brashier
#
Sub standard? That would imply that there is a standard. What
standard are you referring to?
BTW. Is there a price list on the web site you posted? It's
pretty hard to compare prices without one. I'm claiming $5.00 per
gallon for Ed's. I'll bet your product is considerably more
expensive and only marginally, if at all, better. It looks as if
it's being marketed by a bunch of eco-nazi tree huggers.
Just because something comes in a pretty bottle and has a good
marketing campaign behind it does not make it a better product.
BTW, David, you don't happen to work for the company that makes
RB-17 do you?
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##The problem I'm having is finding a gallon can to put it in!
##I went looking for a metal gas can, but they're all plastic these days.
#
#I used a gallon HI-C fruit punch glass jug. Works great!
And it will continue to do so until you drop it, drop a heavy part into it
(and through its bottom), or accidentally bang something into it (e.g., a
rifle barrel) while moving around it.
Speaking as someone who has an 18" diameter oil circle on my driveway as
a result of a glass "natural style" peanut butter jar tearing through a
supermarket plastic bag as I took it out of the car, I recommend AGAINST
using glass jars for icky chemicals unless necessary due to corrosive
effects (e.g., acids or blueing salts).
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Alex Clayton
hard it was to find anything in a glass jug these days. Thought I would
have to go the wine route and dump it to get the jug but finally found a
gallon of apple juice in the "heath food" section and went and put the
wine back. Apple juice was more expensive but at least that i'll use
<G>. Anyhow after several hours a mag for the 22/45 showed no signs of
problem but sure got clean. Tried the frame for a while and it worked
great. really cleans the crap out of all the nooks and crannies. And as
others said the stuff is dirt cheap. The most expensive ingredient was
the gallon of apple juice <BG>.
#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
grantcunningham
#
# factor) but which is effective and Ed's Red looses BIG TIME on this
# account.
Really? Why don't you "put up" and post your testing methodology and
results for us to make up our own minds?
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If he doesn't put up the price of RB-17 I will. I think that Sinclair
International is charging about $ 17.OO a pint making it, probably, one of
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#Surpisingly, not as much as you would first expect.
I expected it would cost $43,198.50 per gallon.
Surprisingly, it didn't cost that much.
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Richard Smith
you're talking about?
Richard
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John Garand
Brashier) wrote:
#No it can't cost that much. Break Free CLP which cost more that G 96
#only cost $76.99 a gallon, Hoppe's # 9 $73.67, Kleen Bore # 1O Solvent
#$53.OO, and Kleen Bore Formula 3 gun coditioner $49.6O a gallon which is
#a bargin. The question isn't which is cheaper (price shouldn't be a
#factor) but which is effective and Ed's Red looses BIG TIME on this
#account.
And your authoritative and factual basis for making this claim is???
And please spare us "testing" accomplished by a company producing a
cleaning product.
John Garand
Brashier) wrote:
#Personally, I think that RB-17 is better than the whole mix, and that
#includes both G 96 and Ed's Red.
#
#David Lee Brashier
And you are certainly entitled to that opinion. If this post answers
my other post asking for "your authoritative and factual basis for
making this claim" regarding the effectiveness of Ed's Red, you do not
have to respond to that post.
Strider
David Lee Brashier wrote:
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And your proof is where?.................
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Mr. Seiden:
0uters puts turpentine in their nitro solvent (although there are other
reasons I wouldn't use 0uters Nito Solvent). BTW, if anybody wants to know,
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Regarding dip soaking, I don't think that RB-17 could be used in this manner
very well. Although I'm not a chemist, RB-17 is a green slimy gel, and I
don't think a gel cleaner would work in dip soaking as well as any liquid
cleaner. Again, I could be wrong. I will say that RB-17 is a good bore
cleaner, and I use it for other gun cleaning purposes (I also use other
brands of bore cleaners), but I don't think it would work as well as the
liquid bore cleaners for dip soaking. So since RB-17 is a gel, I would say
the "which is cheaper Ed's Red vs. RB-17" question would be a moot point,
because I think Ed's Red is a liquid, and I don't think that RB-17 would work
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For those of us who missed the original post perhaps you could explain
what you're talking about?
Richard
In the "Ed's Red" thread I asked if anyone had ever tried it on the
Polymer frame Ruger's like my 22/45. seem's no one had and most like me
were sceptical. So I made up a batch and soaked a mag for the pistol in
it for most of a day to see how the plastic in that would hold up. Since
it seemed to have no affect I cleaned the frame with the stuff. Work's
great at getting the fouling out of all the nooks and crannies.
And as standard
<Disclaimer>
I am no expert or chemist. This worked for me use the advice at your own
risk.
#Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough
#to let you make your second shot perfect.
#Lazarus Long
arn_werks
Please forgive me for jumping in you note but I
cannot find the note from a person who stated
that lanolin was necessary for optimum rust
proofing of Ed's Red. The term "Anhydrous
Lanolin" refers to lanolin that has had all the
water possible removed. A better grease chemist
than I can tell how much water that it will soak
up in normal atmospheric conditions. Thus I am
not sure that it will add to rust proofing
qualities.
It's slicker than ( insert your own simile here
) and I used for some mix that I don't even
recall as a bullet lubricant years ago.
If any can make rational comments on this I
would like to hear them.
Thank you,
Red Bell
Ron Seiden wrote:
> ...
Brian10X
can fill a spray bottle with it, and use it to spray down my guns.
I don't know what all the fuss over plastic is, I store my Ed's in a regular
plastic gallon jug. I need to make more red about every year or so. As I said
above, I use a standard hardware store squirt bottle to hose off my guns
without meltdown problems. I use the standard recipe, minus the lanolin.
I've used most of the more expensive cleaners, and yes, some work better, but
you just cannot beat a healthy squirt of red for the greatest bang for the
buck!
Brian
Ronald S. Shin, PhD
Alex Clayton wrote:
# In the "Ed's Red" thread I asked if anyone had ever tried it on the
# Polymer frame Ruger's like my 22/45
The polymer used in Ruger's frames are a polyurethane base, and are not
susceptible to the solvents in Ed's Red.
Some solvents, such as chloroform, may have a deleterious effect on
polyurethane, but I strongly doubt that any cleaning agent uses them.
Ronald S. Shin, PhD
arn_werks wrote:
# proofing of Ed's Red. The term "Anhydrous
# Lanolin" refers to lanolin that has had all the
# water possible removed. A better grease chemist
Actually, lanolin is more of a wax, instead of a grease, given that it is a
mixture of various esters and polyesters of long chain alcohols and fatty
acids.
# than I can tell how much water that it will soak
# up in normal atmospheric conditions. Thus I am
# not sure that it will add to rust proofing
# qualities.
I would think that such a compound would behave just like any other wax
compound, in terms of rustproofing ability. I've had a katana with a high
quality, high-carbon steel blade (not stainless!) coated in a mixture of
carnauba wax and lanolin for 10 years now, and it does not show a speck of
rust, even though it has been taken out on a regular basis, into the steamy
hot air of South Carolina.
The disadvantage to this mixture, is that it isn't as easy to apply, as say,
a good Teflon spray, and that it can get messy if you are not careful.
Richard Smith
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arn_werks wrote:
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The optional lanolin in Ed's is for people who's hands are
sensitive to the other ingredients. It does not contribute to
it's intended function. I don't add it in mine.
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Brian10X wrote:
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I like Ed's but I did find a plastic that it damaged. I tried
using a Lee powder funnel to pour some into a small bottle. It
glazed the surface of the plastic funnel, but not beyond use. I'm
more careful with plastics but still use Ed's at least weekly on
one gun or another.
arn_werks
Thank you for that information. Plus the
additional info on just what a composition
lanolin is. It has a very odd 'feel' when you
get it on you hands from handling raw wool. hot
off a sheep.
Regards,
Red Bell
#
# arn_werks wrote:
#
# # proofing of Ed's Red. The term "Anhydrous
# # Lanolin" refers to lanolin that has had all the
# # water possible removed. A better grease chemist
Jeff/addesign
#Brian10X wrote:
# > ...
#I like Ed's but I did find a plastic that it damaged. I tried
#using a Lee powder funnel to pour some into a small bottle. It
#glazed the surface of the plastic funnel, but not beyond use. I'm
#more careful with plastics but still use Ed's at least weekly on
#one gun or another.
A cheap kitchen funnel would probably be HDPE, which I have not found
sensitive to ER, despite what the instructions say. Just don't use it
in the kitchen afterwards.
Jeff/addesign
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GMUDD
Billy Chambless wrote:
> ...
billh
"GMUDD"
# acetone has a chemical reaction with plastic....DO NOT USE IT!
You, of course, mean acetone has a reaction with SOME plastics...USE
CAUTION.
P ROZA
m60B aircraft machineguns in about 5 minutes. This stuff works fine, was
very cheap, and dries up fast. The only drawbacks were that you had to use
it in a well ventilated area and use gloves, as the stuff causes liver
cancer.
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