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j...@my-dejanews.com

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Jul 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/15/98
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I heard at the gun shop that no more 7.62 x 39 is allowed to be imported, and
that the good cheap ammo we have been seeing plenty of will soon be
unavailable. Is this true? By virtue of what law, regulation or executive
order? Does this apply to other ammo? If so, which? I appreciate any info
you can provide. Thanks


JLG

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Victor Carreño

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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I can't find any hard info on all the surplus 7.62x39 ammo being banned
from further importation but when you look at Century arms and Samco's
surplus ammo pages, you don't see any more of that caliber for sale.

Armor piercing 7.62x39 is banned from being imported because some
companies were producing handgun prototypes for it, that's as far as I
know about an import ban on ammo.

Who knows, maybe they will only allow the "hunting" ammo from the Tula
arsenal into the US now. Hollow points only?? I dunno.

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Bob Adams

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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On 16 Jul 1998 11:46:48 -0400, Victor...@webtv.net (Victor
Carreño) wrote:

#I can't find any hard info on all the surplus 7.62x39 ammo being banned
#from further importation but when you look at Century arms and Samco's
#surplus ammo pages, you don't see any more of that caliber for sale.
#
#Armor piercing 7.62x39 is banned from being imported because some
#companies were producing handgun prototypes for it, that's as far as I
#know about an import ban on ammo.
#
#Who knows, maybe they will only allow the "hunting" ammo from the Tula
#arsenal into the US now. Hollow points only?? I dunno.
#
#-----
#Vic

Just bought 1000 rounds and didn't have any problem finding it for
sale. Compared prices from 6 different sources and ended up paying
$129/1000 for new Russian production hollowpoints. FMJ's were
available as well, just not what I was looking for.
BA

bob....@mail.tx.net


Monte Harrison

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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On 15 Jul 1998 21:41:31 -0400, j...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

#I heard at the gun shop that no more 7.62 x 39 is allowed to be imported, and
#that the good cheap ammo we have been seeing plenty of will soon be
#unavailable. Is this true? By virtue of what law, regulation or executive
#order? Does this apply to other ammo? If so, which? I appreciate any info
#you can provide. Thanks
#
#
#JLG
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My understanding is that it is illegal to import any guns or ammo from
China, but you can still get stuff from Russia or any of the other
former Soviet bloc countries.


Monte Harrison
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deserve neither liberty nor safety."


John Cowart

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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j...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
#
# I heard at the gun shop that no more 7.62 x 39 is allowed to be imported, and
# that the good cheap ammo we have been seeing plenty of will soon be
# unavailable. Is this true? By virtue of what law, regulation or executive
# order? Does this apply to other ammo? If so, which?

Clinton has imposed a Prohibition of the importation of all Chinese
munitions and ammunition. In conjunction with the 1994 annual renewal of
China's MFN status, President Clinton prohibited the importing of arms
and ammunition from the PRC (May 28, 1994)

John Cowart


so...@ix.netcom.com

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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This sounds like sales hype to me, so you will be hysterical enough to
buy the whole case. As far as I understand it, the Chinese ammo is the
only stuff not importable. There has been talk for a while about
stoping all ammo imports, but it hasn't happened yet. You can still get
domestic made 7.62x39, also, from Winchester or Remington. But I'd try
getting your ammo through mailorder if you can. It's much cheaper that
way. The Cheaper Than Dirt catalog sells the Russian Hollow points for
$2.19 a 20 round box. My local gunshop sells it for $4.50. There's
nothing wrong with a dealer making a profit, but if you intend to buy
alot, I'd go with mailorder. Try:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com

j...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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# I heard at the gun shop that no more 7.62 x 39 is allowed to be imported, and
# that the good cheap ammo we have been seeing plenty of will soon be
# unavailable. Is this true? By virtue of what law, regulation or executive

# order? Does this apply to other ammo? If so, which? I appreciate any info
# you can provide. Thanks
#
# JLG
#
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ltl919

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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Bob Adams wrote:

# Just bought 1000 rounds and didn't have any problem finding it for
# sale. Compared prices from 6 different sources and ended up paying
# $129/1000 for new Russian production hollowpoints.

The supply seems ok now, I have seen a current Widener's (Johnson City, TN)
flyer selling 7.62x39mm for $117 per 1000 including shipping. Don't know if
they have any left in stock - that price is very good.


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David 7843

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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Chinese Imports stopped in 1996 when Ak Variations from chinese were also
stopped. Russian imports were stopped in Nov 1996 as part of a Clinton/Soviet
Trade agreement aginst importing surplus ammo and firearms. No new imports of
ammo or firearms has been made since then. Current imports are from other than
these two countries. A million cases may have been imported but Ammo
Will Dry up sooner or later!

Just a Guy

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Jul 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/19/98
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On 17 Jul 1998 18:40:08 -0400, davi...@aol.com (David 7843) wrote:

#Chinese Imports stopped in 1996 when Ak Variations from chinese were also
#stopped. Russian imports were stopped in Nov 1996 as part of a Clinton/Soviet
#Trade agreement aginst importing surplus ammo and firearms. No new imports of
#ammo or firearms has been made since then. Current imports are from other than
#these two countries. A million cases may have been imported but Ammo
#Will Dry up sooner or later!
#

The Chinese and Russian ammo will still be imported just done through
a 3rd party. That is the way import/export laws are always worked
around. The only difference will be the price will be higher since
you are paying for another middle man.

Gary

Glock21Bob

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Jul 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/19/98
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#d. Russian imports were stopped in Nov 1996 as part of a Clinton/Soviet
#Trade agreement aginst importing surplus ammo and firearms. No new imports of
#ammo or firearms has been made since then. Current imports are from other
#than

#these two countries. A million cases may have been imported but Ammo
#Will Dry up sooner or later!
#
#
#

This is not entirely correct. As of sometime (June I think) of 1997 arms and
ammunition have been being imported from Russian. There are restrictions on
what can be imported however. Russian 7.62x39 is currently being imported into
this country. Keep in mind that all ammo currently coming into the U.S from
Russian is commercial, not mil surplus. I have been following this 7.62x39 ban
thread, and rather than speculate I did some investigating. I called several
suppliers, including Centerfire Systems, CTD, and Cascade. All either had the
Russian HP's in stock, or were expecting more within two weeks. None of them
have heard anything about a ammo ban.

Robert

Ron

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Jul 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/19/98
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I just got back from a gun show in Las Vegas and paid $105.00 ( Tax
Included) for 1000 rounds Russian HP 7.62X39. The vendor had plenty in stock
but the ammo was selling briskly.


ltl919 wrote in message <6oodps$s...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#Bob Adams wrote:
#
## Just bought 1000 rounds and didn't have any problem finding it for
## sale. Compared prices from 6 different sources and ended up paying
## $129/1000 for new Russian production hollowpoints.
#
#The supply seems ok now, I have seen a current Widener's (Johnson City, TN)
#flyer selling 7.62x39mm for $117 per 1000 including shipping. Don't know if
#they have any left in stock - that price is very good.
#
#
#
#
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TSBench

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Jul 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/20/98
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I believe the import ban only effects the steel-core stuff, not other 7.62x39.


Regards,
TSB
Bill Walker...Producer and Cohost of The Shooting Bench radio program...Curator
of Small Arms, US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum in Quincy, MA....General Manager,
WDIS-Radio, Norfolk, Massachusetts.

Hoot

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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That funny, I have Russian HP ammo with a 97 date stamp?

On 17 Jul 1998 18:40:08 -0400, davi...@aol.com (David 7843) wrote:

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Glock21Bob

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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The new 98 production Russian HP 7.62x39 has a commercial headstamp. It has
TCW (Tula Cartridge Works) and "7.62x39" stamped on it, with no date. Also,
the boxes now carry all the usual warning info that other commercial stuff has.
I would also like to note that the ammo 1) appears to be lighter. and 2) is
definately more accurate.

David M. Miller

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Jul 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/21/98
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I think that the (theoretically) military type ammo can't be imported
anymore, for the last couple of years. For sure that is if the projectile
is made of anything other than lead or gilding metal (i.e. like a steel
penetrator core). For ball-dunno. Dave

Hoot <hoo...@angelfire.com> wrote in article
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# That funny, I have Russian HP ammo with a 97 date stamp?
#
# On 17 Jul 1998 18:40:08 -0400, davi...@aol.com (David 7843) wrote:
#
# > ...
#
#
# . . . . . . . . . .
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bill...@hotmail.com

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Jul 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/23/98
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In article <6p39dj$r...@xring.cs.umd.edu>,
glock...@aol.com (Glock21Bob) wrote:
# The new 98 production Russian HP 7.62x39 has a commercial headstamp. It has
# TCW (Tula Cartridge Works) and "7.62x39" stamped on it, with no date. Also,
# the boxes now carry all the usual warning info that other commercial stuff
has.
# I would also like to note that the ammo 1) appears to be lighter. and 2) is
# definately more accurate.

#
# . . . . . . . . . .
# Info on moderated group rec.guns is at http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/rec.guns
#

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Is anybody here selling it yet?

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Glock21Bob

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Jul 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/24/98
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I bought a case of it at the gun show in Salem, Va last week.
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