Ideal Firearm for an International Sailor?!?
Jen
looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
Input appreciated!
Thanx,
Jen
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Jen <jenn_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
Mossberg makes some "marine" shotguns made out of stainless or other
corrosion-resistant materials. A shotgun would probably be the firearm
of choice on the high seas (short of dual-.50 caliber machineguns on a
mount), but I have little experience with marine environments, so I
can't say for sure.
As for legal issues, consult a lawyer. It is my understanding that many
ports allow you to have firearms on your vessel so long as they don't
ever, EVER leave the vessel. If they do search your vessel, willfully
hiding the weapon (and having it be discovered) would probably result in
some serious issued. Then again, I'm not a lawyer.
--
Pete Stephenson
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Charon041
this question. The best weapon for boat defense is IMO a 12 gauge riot
gun with rifle sights, useful with both buckshot and slugs. BUT:
1. The places where you are most likely to need a gun are the
places most likely to prohibit you from having one.
2. The only country I have visited where you are allowed to keep
a gun aboard is the Bahamas, where violent crime is rare ouside of
Nassau and Freeport.
3. Everywhere else, guns are collected upon entry and returned
(if you are lucky) upon departure, except places like Mexico, where you
are subject to arrest merely for arriving with a gun aboard, even if
you declare and surrender it.
4. If you hide a gun and have to use it, you will be in deep
trouble, even if the shooting is justified, particularly if the person
you shoot, or an accomplice, survives and/or escapes.
5. If you have a gun aboard a secure hiding place for it is
absolutely essential.
6. Modern day pirates more often than not have heavy caliber
automatic weapons.
6. Your best defense, therefore, is not to visit countries like
Honduras, Jamaica, Guatemala, Venezuela, the Philippines, Panama, etc
where violent crime against sailors is prevalent. Life is too short to
waste your time and money in such countries, when there are so many
other lovely places long on pleasures and short on aggravations.
Regards,
Phil
Asa
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
# Input appreciated!
Jen,
It depends on the port/country you plan on pulling in to. Some
countries allow private ownership of firearms, others do not. If the
weapon serves another purpose (i.e., 12 ga maritime line throwing gun
or flare gun), there are generally fewer objections. Mossberg makes a
line throwing kit which turns a 12 gauge shotgun into a launcher for
sending over messenger lines. From
http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/Specpurp.htm
"Line Launcher model or 12 gauge Line Launcher kit available."
Best thing to do when travelling is to ask questions ahead of time,
and to lock the gun up (i.e., safe or locking security cabinet) when in
port. If the local government says "no", don't go. In some places,
possession of a firearm without government permission is a capitol
crime. Of course, some of these places are where you wouldn't want to
go in the first place.
jimmykent67
nickel finish would be ideal. I believe both Mossberg and Remingtom
have "marine" models to choose from. As for a pistol, a stub nosed
revolver in stainless would be durable, as would any of the short
barrel Glock models. By the way, are you planning on traveling abroad?
Please be careful, as gun laws tend to be draconian in most areas of
the world. Take care.
Thren
<jenn_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
#Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
#looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
#of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
#against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
#possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
Legal concerns? None to varying terms of imprisonment in some not too
nice places.
Roving bands? Yup. Anywhere from 2-3 guys on a dingy to a few dozen
on multiple boats. Armed with whatever they can get their hands on,
and sometimes it's pretty big.
Assuming you know the areas you're sailing and can get the appropriate
permissions, permits, and whatnot. Weapons of choice tend to be
shotguns in a corrosion resistant finish. These double as flare and
buoy launchers. Mossberg and Winchester both have marine versions,
among others. After that you're looking at stainless or other
corrosion resistant finish rifles. Preferably in a caliber you can
feed from at least several ports of call. 308, 30-06 would be good
choices along with 7.62x39.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=512&type_id=908&cat=012C
http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/Specpurp.htm
Assuming I had an international capable boat, my choice would probally
be Mossberg's Mariner with orange furniture and a buoy launcher
attachement. (I don't see it listed presently in their catalog, but
they had it there last year). Blanks, buck, flares, and some slugs
would live in it's box with it.
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
band of sea marauders?>>
Mel Tappan did a good writeup on this topic many years ago. He made the
point that you need to stop the bad guy's boat as far off as possible,
rather than shooting at the bad guys themselves when they get close. So
you would need a fairly high-powered rifle capable of shooting through
the side of a boat and disabling the engine. He also noted that since
the range would be rather long, a fairly flat-shooting rifle would be
prefered. Probably a .375 H&H would be optimum.
If you want to wear a handgun also, he suggested the S&W .45acp
revolver instead of a 1911. You don't want to step on an empty case and
take a header over the railing.
John Cowart
CaCrusin
LAWS rockets with enough dummy training units to train with.
Most small arms wielded by one or two people will not discourage
serious pirates. You will need something that can reach them before
they can reach you. It also needs to do significant damage to their
boat. Punching .30 or .223 inch holes in the hull isn't going to worry
them at all.
Better yet, don't sail into pirate-infested waters. Stay away from the
Carribean and Central America, Africa, Indonesia and Maylasia...and be
d*mn careful everywhere else.
Brian Bunin
#looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
#of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
#against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
#possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
You're not going to match their volume of fire, so you have two possibles:
A Tack Driver Rifle to pick them off outside of AK/SMG range.
An M1A or any good Bolt action 308/30-06,etc will do
A Shotgun if they get aboard.
Mossberg make a "Line Throwing Gun" which is their (ISTR) 500 Pump Gun in
Bright Yellow. A good choice if there might be issues with you being armed.
I just heard about a guy who was being approached by Pirates last week. They
began firing at him. He and his wife ducked down below their STEEL Hull. Then
he pointed the boat at them, gunned the engine and rode over their wooden or
fiberglass boat, cutting it in half.
zxcvbob
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
# Input appreciated!
#
# Thanx,
#
# Jen
#
Silly-looking bright orange 12 gauge shotgun configured for shooting
mooring lines and signal flares. It'll shoot regular shotgun shells
just fine too. Keep the gun and the flares in plain sight and keep the
buckshot and slugs shells hidden away except when you're in
international waters.
I don't recall who makes it; I think it's a slightly modified Rem 870.
Bob
Charon041
the jolly roger or announce their intentions with a loud hailer before
approaching your boat. They pretend to be fishermen or bumboats
wanting to sell you fruit, fish, etc. until they get alongside, then
out come the guns. You cannot shoot at evey boat that comes near
yours. If you are suspicious, you keep a gun handy but out of sight
until you know what's what. If shooting starts it will be close and
fast, like all combat shooting, and the riot gun with buckshot is the
best weapon, since boats tend to roll at sea and a gun shooting a
pattern is most likely to score a hit.
In some areas you will want to warn off any boat that comes too close,
but it is still best to wait until they get in shotgun range before
showing them your gun. That way you retain the element of surprise.
Regards,
Phil
Herb Leong
zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
#Jen wrote:
## Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
## looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
## of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
## against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
## possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
##
## Input appreciated!
##
## Thanx,
##
## Jen
##
#
#
#Silly-looking bright orange 12 gauge shotgun configured for shooting
#mooring lines and signal flares. It'll shoot regular shotgun shells
#just fine too. Keep the gun and the flares in plain sight and keep the
#buckshot and slugs shells hidden away except when you're in
#international waters.
#
#I don't recall who makes it; I think it's a slightly modified Rem 870.
#
#Bob
You are describing the Mossberg line launcher. It is based on a 590,
which is no slouch in the trenchgun department.
/herb
Dave Vick
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders?
Very pistol. There's nothing like a 12ga. barrel to chill a foe out,
and you already have a legit reason to have it aboard.
Worked for me on my boat...
--
Dave Vick
NRA Life, MCRGO, MRPA
Guns don't kill people; drivers with cellphones do
Larry Fishel
began firing at him. He and his wife ducked down below their STEEL
Hull. Then
he pointed the boat at them, gunned the engine and rode over their
wooden or
fiberglass boat, cutting it in half.
I saw this story on CNN. According to the guy they were interviewing
(skipper of the boat being attacked), he was traveling with another
boat and he was approached by two pirate boats. Although he rammed one,
the other caught him from behind and was in the process of boarding
when the owner of his companion boat opened fire taking out the
boarders.
This sounds like a full telling of the story:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/06/08/safe_in_port_couple_tells_of_pirate_raid?mode=PF
Yahoo news makes it sound like the day was saved by the ramming, and no
guns were needed for the defense:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kcci/20050610/lo_WCVB/2765659
Demon Buddha
# 6. Modern day pirates more often than not have heavy caliber
# automatic weapons.
Sounds like a Mauser Model B is in order, then.
Herb Leong
Larry Fishel <ldfi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
##>I just heard about a guy who was being approached by Pirates last week. They
#began firing at him. He and his wife ducked down below their STEEL
#Hull. Then
#he pointed the boat at them, gunned the engine and rode over their
#wooden or
#fiberglass boat, cutting it in half.
#
#
#I saw this story on CNN. According to the guy they were interviewing
#(skipper of the boat being attacked), he was traveling with another
#boat and he was approached by two pirate boats. Although he rammed one,
#the other caught him from behind and was in the process of boarding
#when the owner of his companion boat opened fire taking out the
#boarders.
#
#This sounds like a full telling of the story:
#http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/06/08/safe_in_port_couple_tells_of_pirate_raid?mode=PF
#
#Yahoo news makes it sound like the day was saved by the ramming, and no
#guns were needed for the defense:
#http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kcci/20050610/lo_WCVB/2765659
Yeah... this was March 8th, right?
The account was posted to this group back in April, from the other skipper's
point of view:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.guns/browse_frm/thread/f239aefc4aa927b1/fe0067781bfb0bad?q=Gandalf&rnum=2&hl=en#fe0067781bfb0bad
/herb
William Earl Haskell
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
# Input appreciated!
#
Just picked up a copy of William F.Buckley's "Racing Through Paradise: A
Pacifc Passage," published back in 1987, and right after reading your
post here I happened to open it at random and found this:
<<
At noon we paused to swim, and this became the moment to initiate our
new Ruger .223 stainless steel rifle, an acquisition purchased primarily
as a shark watcher. (One person sat aloft, looking over the swimmers'
heads, in the event a fin should glide in our direction. None ever did,
but it can happen.) Danny and Christopher then did a little target
shooting. It is a loud bloody thing, sufficient to scare off anything
this side of kamakaze sharks, or other warm-blooded, cold-blooded predators.
>>
This accompanied by a photo of the author watching as one of the others
takes aim at something in the water.
Not sure how well this applies to your situation, but he did do quite a
bit of sailing in the Caribbean over the years.
Brian Bunin
#In article <d8epk5$i7i$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
#zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
##Jen wrote:
### Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
### looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
### of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
### against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
### possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
###
### Input appreciated!
###
### Thanx,
###
### Jen
###
##
##
##Silly-looking bright orange 12 gauge shotgun configured for shooting
##mooring lines and signal flares. It'll shoot regular shotgun shells
##just fine too. Keep the gun and the flares in plain sight and keep the
##buckshot and slugs shells hidden away except when you're in
##international waters.
##
##I don't recall who makes it; I think it's a slightly modified Rem 870.
##
##Bob
#
#You are describing the Mossberg line launcher. It is based on a 590,
#which is no slouch in the trenchgun department.
#
#/herb
#
#
Except that I can no longer find it listed anywhere on Mossberg's site!
shey...@myrealbox.com
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:50:02 +0000 (UTC) bb...@hotmail.com (Brian Bunin)
wrote:
> In article <d8g7o6$73k$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, he...@urusei.net (Herb
>Leong) wrote:
> #In article <d8epk5$i7i$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>,
> #zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
>##Jen wrote:
>### Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
>### looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain
>### corners of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self
>### defense against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns?
>### Just hide the possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
>###
>### Input appreciated!
>###
>### Thanx,
>###
>### Jen
>##
>##Silly-looking bright orange 12 gauge shotgun configured for shooting
>##mooring lines and signal flares. It'll shoot regular shotgun shells
>##just fine too. Keep the gun and the flares in plain sight and keep
>##the buckshot and slugs shells hidden away except when you're in
>##international waters.
>##I don't recall who makes it; I think it's a slightly modified Rem 870.
>##Bob
>#
>#You are describing the Mossberg line launcher. It is based on a 590,
>#which is no slouch in the trenchgun department.
>#/herb
>Except that I can no longer find it listed anywhere on Mossberg's site!
I used to keep a very nice all-steel 25mm. flare pistol handy when I
owned a sailboat and used to go sailing around at night in the Potomac
and Anacostia rivers in the Washington DC area. For ammunition I
carried only factory made flares for it. Washington DC is probably
the most anti-gun jurisdiction in the US. I don't know if my flare
pistol could have been considered a firearm according to DC's draconian
anti-gun laws. In Washington DC possession of firearms was absolutely
prohibited at the time for everyone except LEO's and highly influential
political friends of the then crack-smoking mayor, Marion Barry. I
believe the anti-gun laws there are just as draconian now as they were
then.
I have the opinion that my 25mm flare pistol, being of very strong
all-steel construction, would be capable of firing light buckshot
loads, but I will not conduct any experiments along that line. Doing
that would be highly illegal by federal law. I bought the flare
pistol and three brass-cased flare rounds for it at a marine supply
store in Virginia ca. 1971.
All of the flare pistols I have seen in marine supply and outdoor
outfitter supply stores in recent years are of an all-polymer
contruction and they are designed for firing 12ga. flares. If one
were to load such a flare cartridge with a buckshot load and fire
it in such a gun, the gun would probably not be able to withstand
the pressure and it would blow up. I have seen warnings to that
effect on the packaging box for those all-plastic flare pistols
A very formidable type of self-defense weapon that might be
perfectly legal to possess in one's boat in most ports in the US and
in most international ports would be a double barreled muzzle-loading
shotgun. Relatively inexpensive and very well-made reproduction
types are readily available from various US sources. Also you can
get a brace of some very good and inexpensive reproduction blunderbi.
Sam Heywood
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shey...@myrealbox.com
According to some official US Army teachings given to me, it is
highly inadvisable to post a shark watch armed with a rifle and
to use the rifle for the purpose of shooting an approaching shark.
It is a very good idea to post a lookout just to give warning to
the swimmers to get out of the water if he sees sharks approaching.
If the lookout is armed with a rifle he should fire the rifle only
for the purpose of making a very loud noise to warn the swimmers
about an approaching shark and to point out the position of the
shark. The reason why you should not use a rifle to shoot a shark
in the vicinity of swimmers is that a shark will bleed profusely
when hit by a rifle bullet. The smell of blood will attract
instantly many other sharks to the area. The smell of blood will
turn all of the sharks into a feeding frenzy. During the feeding
frenzy the sharks will attack the wounded shark and everything else
they see swimming around in the water.
I don't know if the official US Navy teaching about shark lookouts
differs from the official US Army instruction about all that.
Sam Heywood
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Gunny
water and air and the fact that the shark is moving, the probability of an
average shooter actually hitting the shark is very small. More probably,
you would try to hit the shark but fail. But, the strange sound of the
bullet impacting near the shark may distract it or cause it to shy away long
enough for the swimmers to get back to the boat. Even if you manage to hit
the shark and make it bleed, sharks don't just appear instantly. Blood must
be disseminated on the current, a shark must cross the smell current, then
decide to investigate. The story that if you put even a tiny bit of blood
in the water it will cause sharks to appear is urban legend supported by
Hollywood. Whoever wrote that manual was some desk jocky who had seen way
too many movies rather than consulting qualified shark authorities.
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lbrt...@aol.com
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
# Input appreciated!
If you knew anything about sailing, international voyaging,
self-defense, hoods & punks (suddenly called "pirates" when they are
over water), how they operate, human relations, "being serious", or
even law, you would not think of having a firearm aboard a cruising
yacht for any reason.
It is people like you who are assuring that soon, all sailors will be
required to have a license of competency that will be expensive and
dictate long prior training, in order to cruise at all.
BTMO
<shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote
# According to some official US Army teachings given to me, it is
# highly inadvisable to post a shark watch armed with a rifle and
# to use the rifle for the purpose of shooting an approaching shark.
# It is a very good idea to post a lookout just to give warning to
# the swimmers to get out of the water if he sees sharks approaching.
# If the lookout is armed with a rifle he should fire the rifle only
# for the purpose of making a very loud noise to warn the swimmers
# about an approaching shark and to point out the position of the
# shark. The reason why you should not use a rifle to shoot a shark
# in the vicinity of swimmers is that a shark will bleed profusely
# when hit by a rifle bullet. The smell of blood will attract
# instantly many other sharks to the area. The smell of blood will
# turn all of the sharks into a feeding frenzy. During the feeding
# frenzy the sharks will attack the wounded shark and everything else
# they see swimming around in the water.
#
# I don't know if the official US Navy teaching about shark lookouts
# differs from the official US Army instruction about all that.
When I were a lad in the Australian navy, we *always* posted an armed shark
watcher when swimming at sea. 7.62 L1A1...
Of course, they always warned us that shooting at sharks was a waste of
time, and the shooter was there to... um... ease the passing of the shark
attack victim.
Australians have an interesting sense of humour...
Snipe...@aol.com
venture into them un armed?
I'd not be interested in going out to sea unless I had an AK on
board.
Snipe
Herb Leong
#Jen wrote:
## Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
## looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
## of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
## against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
## possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
##
## Input appreciated!
#
#If you knew anything about sailing, international voyaging,
#self-defense, hoods & punks (suddenly called "pirates" when they are
#over water), how they operate, human relations, "being serious", or
#even law, you would not think of having a firearm aboard a cruising
#yacht for any reason.
#
#It is people like you who are assuring that soon, all sailors will be
#required to have a license of competency that will be expensive and
#dictate long prior training, in order to cruise at all.
You have no clue about international waters, do you?
Go google "Mahdi," "Gandalf," "Rod Nowlin," and "Jay Barry."
/herb
lbrt...@aol.com
licenses of competency I have all the clues firsthand and you have
none, armchair Googler, bilgewater on your ignorance & belief in the
internet for your truths & wisdom.
John Haller
been successfull if they maintained stand off before closing to board.
Lesson here is the ranges are long, shotguns are nice but have less
flexibility since there not much good past 100 yards at most.
JTH
"Herb Leong" <he...@urusei.net> wrote in message
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Peter Franks
# As a professional mariner for 40 years holding unlimited international
# licenses of competency I have all the clues firsthand and you have
# none, armchair Googler, bilgewater on your ignorance & belief in the
# internet for your truths & wisdom.
Do you have anything substantiative to say with respect to the topic, or
are your posts in this thread going to remain vacuous?
1911
Jen wrote:
# Serious question......We hear more and more these days of pirates
# looting, pilaging and raping international sailors in certain corners
# of the earth. Any suggestions on a good firearm for self defense
# against roving band of sea marauders? Legal Concerns? Just hide the
# possible outlawed firearm when travelling to ports?
#
# Input appreciated!
I like the shotgun suggestions, but I would think distances might be a
bit long unless you had slugs loaded. If I was in such a position (very
unlikely) I would want to scare them away fast. (And have a Winchester
1300 Defender loaded with 00 Buck at my side if they got close enough.)
I know nothing about blue water piracy, but my FN Five Seven with SS192
and tracers in 20 round mags, screaming in at 2000fps would be nice to
have around with six or seven full mags next to it. No it isn't an AK,
but fast firing those things are SCARY and LOUD. Throw a few
Tannerite targets at the boat's side and hit em with the FIve Seven and
they will blow a door sized hole in most anything.
Http://www.tannerite.com (The mixed binary targets are waterproof.)
Also, a Five Seven would probably be good in a marine
environment...it's all polymer, weighs 1.5 pounds loaded and seems like
it would take salt water and air well.
It just seems a little more effective than someone else's
well-intentioned suggestion of a blunderbuss. <g>
Just my 2 cents.
NapalmHeart
<lbrt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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# If you knew anything about sailing, international voyaging,
# self-defense, hoods & punks (suddenly called "pirates" when they are
# over water), how they operate, human relations, "being serious", or
# even law, you would not think of having a firearm aboard a cruising
# yacht for any reason.
#
# It is people like you who are assuring that soon, all sailors will be
# required to have a license of competency that will be expensive and
# dictate long prior training, in order to cruise at all.
#
Seriously, then how would you propose that people defend themselves and
their vessel when a sea?
Ken (MI)
Brian Bunin
#What a crock of H.S. Because of the distortion of light passing between
#water and air and the fact that the shark is moving, the probability of an
#average shooter actually hitting the shark is very small. More probably,
#you would try to hit the shark but fail. But, the strange sound of the
#bullet impacting near the shark may distract it or cause it to shy away long
#enough for the swimmers to get back to the boat. Even if you manage to hit
#the shark and make it bleed, sharks don't just appear instantly. Blood must
#be disseminated on the current, a shark must cross the smell current, then
#decide to investigate. The story that if you put even a tiny bit of blood
#in the water it will cause sharks to appear is urban legend supported by
#Hollywood. Whoever wrote that manual was some desk jocky who had seen way
#too many movies rather than consulting qualified shark authorities.
#
#
Thus explaining why the US Navy has had a Sailor with a Rifle on Shark Guard
for almost 100 years, whenever the go swimming
Mike Kelly
"Brian Bunin" <bb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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# Thus explaining why the US Navy has had a Sailor with a Rifle on Shark
Guard
# for almost 100 years, whenever the go swimming
That's for shooting the slowest swimmer, not the sharks. The sharks then go
for the bleeding and slow target, thus allowing the other sailors to get
back on board... :-)
If you buy that, go get me a can of striped paint.
MK
Nick Hull
"NapalmHeart" <olso...@iserv.net> wrote:
# <lbrt...@aol.com> wrote in message
# news:d9r2cq$sce$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # If you knew anything about sailing, international voyaging,
# # self-defense, hoods & punks (suddenly called "pirates" when they are
# # over water), how they operate, human relations, "being serious", or
# # even law, you would not think of having a firearm aboard a cruising
# # yacht for any reason.
# #
# # It is people like you who are assuring that soon, all sailors will be
# # required to have a license of competency that will be expensive and
# # dictate long prior training, in order to cruise at all.
# #
# Seriously, then how would you propose that people defend themselves and
# their vessel when a sea?
Just dial 911 of course ;)
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