Question about "Quigley Down Under" and reloading
Hidalgo
has been brought up before.
I have Quiqley on DVD and rewatch it every couple of months. It's one of my
favorite movies.
Recently bought a gun in an uncommon caliber and am considering reloading,
so I've been trying to educate myself on everything there is on reloading.
Given this newfound knowledge, I viewed the movie a little differently this
last viewing.
There's a point in the movie where Quiqley shoots some of the bad guys and
gets his horse/saddle back. He comments something like "Well, I got my rig
back, but no saddle bags. I can't make my reloads."
My question is this: Given what we saw of him getting off the boat at the
very beginning, he seemed to have only the clothes on his back, his saddle
and the gun with him. And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
they must not have been too bulky or large.
So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
;-)
Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
Thanks in advance.
Les
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and a hammer (pistol butt? rock?) to load:
http://www.leeprecision.com/catalog/browse.cgi?1079964798.4055=dies-p4.html#LeeLoader
My 9mm Luger one will fit into a large pocket. No press is required.
Re-using cases and buying powder and primers locally probably saved more
space. Perhaps his rifle bullets were a common caliber, otherwise
losing his stash (or mold) would have been a showstopper.
Paul
Hidalgo wrote:
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# So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
# least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
# primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
# powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
# ;-)
#
# Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
#
# Thanks in advance.
#
# Les
John Kepler
# Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag?
QUITE easily, in fact there were several rigs from that era DESIGNED to fit
in a small bag or knap-sack (any of the Ideal reloading sets that included
the press AND the bullet mold in a single, small, hand-held fixture!). I
have several of the old DuPont saddlebag cans of blackpowder from that era.
These cans held a half-pound of BP and were the shape and size of a
hip-flask. They could easily be carried in a pants pocket (it's what they
were designed for). A half-pound of powder is 3500 grains....the Quigley
Rifle was shooting a .45-150 round. At 150 gr. of powder per round, you
could easily load 23 rds out of one of those cans.....you could have shot
the entire movie on less than 2 of those hip-cans (and the Hun in the
village loaded Quigleys replacements....he didn't do it himself)!
Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# but then again, I'm a newbie.....
It kinda shows!
So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
Gee, in a shooting context....just what part of the movie do YOU think was
"stretched"?
John
Jerry Houston
in a pocket, let alone a saddle bag.
Remember when he was in the shop asking the owner to make him some ammo? He
mentioned that he could use British <whatever> bullets. He probably brought
a supply of bullets with him, and possibly a bullet mold, expecting that
there would be plenty of folks in Australia who were capable of melting the
lead and pouring it. He might even have gone without the molds, since as a
British colony, he could have expected to find ready-made bullets there.
And black powder was a staple commodity. He certainly wouldn't need to
import a lot of that.
Unlike you, I've only seen Quigly twice, and the last time was a few years
ago, so I could easily be wrong. That was my recollection, though.
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#
# There's a point in the movie where Quiqley shoots some of the bad guys and
# gets his horse/saddle back. He comments something like "Well, I got my rig
# back, but no saddle bags. I can't make my reloads."
#
# My question is this: Given what we saw of him getting off the boat at the
# very beginning, he seemed to have only the clothes on his back, his saddle
# and the gun with him. And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle
bags,
# they must not have been too bulky or large.
#
# So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required
at
# least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
# primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
# powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
# ;-)
#
# Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
Paul B. Thompson
See: http://www3.telus.net/310outpost/
Paul Thompson
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# And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
#they must not have been too bulky or large.
#
#So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
#least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
#primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
#powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
#;-)
The buffalo hunters of our past cast their own bullets and hand loaded
the used brass. Of course they mostly had a wagon to transport their
stuff in. But how much you'd have to carry would depend on how much
you intended to shoot and how available a resupply would be. Remember
that as the story started he was going to work on a ranch. The bullet mould,
hand press, and *some* lead, powder and primers should fit in a saddle
bag.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none.
John Davies
<lbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
#least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
#primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
#powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
#;-)
#
#Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
#but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
#stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
I expect that he carried only a compact hand-operated reloading tool
and a few bullets, primers and some powder - not all the large
quantities of lead and powder he would need to produce a lot of
cartridges. He would expect to be able to buy that at any general
store. As a rifleman I am sure his gun's necessities were more
important to him than extra changes of underwear... He most likely
used something like this:
http://www3.telus.net/310outpost/ideal_3.htm
Here's a brief history of these tools:
http://www3.telus.net/310outpost/history.htm
John Davies
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
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Spokane WA USA
SpiceScoot
#Recently bought a gun in an uncommon caliber and am considering reloading,
#so I've been trying to educate myself on everything there is on reloading.
#
#There's a point in the movie where Quiqley shoots some of the bad guys and
#gets his horse/saddle back. He comments something like "Well, I got my rig
#back, but no saddle bags. I can't make my reloads."
#
#My question is this: Given what we saw of him getting off the boat at the
#very beginning, he seemed to have only the clothes on his back, his saddle
#and the gun with him. And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
#they must not have been too bulky or large.
#
#So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
#least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
#primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
#powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
#;-)
#
#Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
#but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
#stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
#
#Thanks in advance.
#
#Les
#
Back in those days they used a Lyman tong tool or the like for reloading. A
net search should turn up a pic of a tong tool. Some of them had a bullet
mould built right in to the end of the tool. They were about the size of a big
pair of pliers. The bullets were often "lubed" by being covered with a paper
patch. It would be possible to put all of the reloading gear plus some
supplies (primers and a small can of powder) in a cigar box. In frontier
Austrailia it would be hard to find 50 /110 Sharps or whatever Quigleys rifle
was chambered for but lead is lead and big rifle cartridges would be loaded
with coarse grained black powder so Quig could take apart nearly any big bore
rifle ctg and get the "makins" for his reloads. Believe it or not that aspect
of the movie was probably the most believable and accurate rather than the
least. The old time buffalo hunters would often find their bullets just under
the hide on the off side of the critter. The stretchy tough buffalo hide would
act like a trampoline for the bullet, slowed by its travel through the vitals
of the buff. They would remelt and recast the bullet and shoot it again. A
1/2 pound of black powder used to come in a can that was about the size of a
paperback book. I used the example of a 50/110, not knowing what Quigley's
rifle was chambered for. You would get about 32 rounds out of a 1/2lb. of
black in that caliber. A guy fetched up on a single shot big bore rifle as
Quigley was would consider himself pretty flush with 32 rounds of ammo. No
doubt other people have other opinions but I am satisfied with mine (;-).
Larry
Anthony
carry on your belt. Add a bag of bullets, a bullet mold and some supplies,
it'll all fit nicely in a saddlebag. Remember he didn't need to carry all
the powder he would need for the trip, it should have been available in
Australia too.
Tony
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# I checked the Google archive and didn't see this addressed. Pardon me if it
# has been brought up before.
# I have Quiqley on DVD and rewatch it every couple of months. It's one of my
# favorite movies.
# Recently bought a gun in an uncommon caliber and am considering reloading,
# so I've been trying to educate myself on everything there is on reloading.
# Given this newfound knowledge, I viewed the movie a little differently this
# last viewing.
# There's a point in the movie where Quiqley shoots some of the bad guys and
# gets his horse/saddle back. He comments something like "Well, I got my rig
# back, but no saddle bags. I can't make my reloads."
# My question is this: Given what we saw of him getting off the boat at the
# very beginning, he seemed to have only the clothes on his back, his saddle
# and the gun with him. And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
# they must not have been too bulky or large.
# So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
# least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
# primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
# powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
# ;-)
# Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
# Thanks in advance.
# Les
Very little is required to reload ammunition if speed is not an issue.
You can easily carry everything you need in a small bag.
One would one need :
a small crucible for melting lead
a bullet mold (about the size of a large nutcracker)
a hand press (again, about the size of a nutcracker)
Lead and black powder (and probably primers) would be expected to be
available wherever you travel.
Go to the Lee Precision web site (www.leeprecision.com).
Check out their Lee Loader kits to see how small a caliber-specific press
can really be.
If you rent the old western 'Nevada Smith' starring Steve McQueen, you
can actually watch the character played by Brian Keith doing some
reloading with turn-of-the-century type tools.
Carl Vickery
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J.A.Freeman
hold a reloading tool,bullet mold,ladle to melt lead in over a camp fire,tin
of primers,and several 1 pound cans of powder.
He would have had a reloading tool like this in his saddle bag. They are
the size of a large wire pliers and all of it fit in the small box.
http://www.antiquereloadingtools.org/idealframes_10tool.html
Check out all the different tools and molds. There are even pics of tools
that came with Sharps rifles.
http://www.antiquereloadingtools.org/index.html
mark
know it was common to carry the reloading equipment in your saddlebag. The
equipment was small but slow, no big deal if you have the time. Lee still
makes a hand press that sells for around $30 that lets you reload one slow
round at a time.
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and a bullet mold would each be not much bigger than a pair of pliers. The
rifle he was shooting was (I believe) a 45-120. Definitely a black powder
cartridge. I don't know how those cartridges were deprimed after firing,
although someone here would know. I assume a punch to knock them out.
So, yes, it would fit.
Robert
Ona, WV
Semper Fi
V.E. Dorn
told the villager that #2 45 cal musket lead would work which is the same
diameter as his gun. The bullets were paperpatched probably from the
factory in those days but he could have easily done it at the table. He
would have had ample powder as it's black powder and used in several types
of guns of the day. He wouldn't have had to resize the case because the
tollerance on that type of rifle allows very little case expansion and a
heavily paperpatched bullet would fit well into the case neck.
Don
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# # Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag?
#
# QUITE easily, in fact there were several rigs from that era DESIGNED to fit
# in a small bag or knap-sack (any of the Ideal reloading sets that included
# the press AND the bullet mold in a single, small, hand-held fixture!). I
# have several of the old DuPont saddlebag cans of blackpowder from that era.
# These cans held a half-pound of BP and were the shape and size of a
# hip-flask. They could easily be carried in a pants pocket (it's what they
# were designed for). A half-pound of powder is 3500 grains....the Quigley
# Rifle was shooting a .45-150 round. At 150 gr. of powder per round, you
# could easily load 23 rds out of one of those cans.....you could have shot
# the entire movie on less than 2 of those hip-cans (and the Hun in the
# village loaded Quigleys replacements....he didn't do it himself)!
#
# Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# # but then again, I'm a newbie.....
#
# It kinda shows!
#
# So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# # stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
#
# Gee, in a shooting context....just what part of the movie do YOU think was
# "stretched"?
#
#
# John
Not sure where you got 45-150, but Quigley's rifle in the movie was a
45-110 (he says this in the movie).
Kelly
Hidalgo
It's been years since I saw that movie. Guess I'll put it at the top of my
"watch again" list.
Thanks, Carl!
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This sounds like an inexpensive way to get started. Not much investment if
it turns out you really don't want to do much reloading.
Do the dies that fit this sort of a hand press work in a larger bench
mounted press?
Thanks in advance.
Les
Hidalgo
Thanks to you and all the others that have answered this admitted dumb
question.
In my very brief time researching reloading, I've only seen the bench
mounted presses. I never considered that a handheld "plier" type tool could
be used.
Thanks again!
Les
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Paul B. Thompson
bought a used one on eBay.
The 310 is still made, and if you hunt around, you can find dies in almost
any caliber you can imagine. I got some in 6.5 Carcano. New dies are
available in most of the 'cowboy' calibers--.45 Colt, .38 Special, etc.
Paul Thompson
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Stan Schaefer
# I checked the Google archive and didn't see this addressed. Pardon me if it
# has been brought up before.
#
# I have Quiqley on DVD and rewatch it every couple of months. It's one of my
# favorite movies.
#
# Recently bought a gun in an uncommon caliber and am considering reloading,
# so I've been trying to educate myself on everything there is on reloading.
# Given this newfound knowledge, I viewed the movie a little differently this
# last viewing.
#
# There's a point in the movie where Quiqley shoots some of the bad guys and
# gets his horse/saddle back. He comments something like "Well, I got my rig
# back, but no saddle bags. I can't make my reloads."
#
# My question is this: Given what we saw of him getting off the boat at the
# very beginning, he seemed to have only the clothes on his back, his saddle
# and the gun with him. And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
# they must not have been too bulky or large.
#
# So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
# least a press of some sort (some sort of hand press, no doubt...), some
# primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
# powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
# ;-)
#
# Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag? Seems a bit unlikely to me,
# but then again, I'm a newbie..... So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
#
#
#
There's some books out on collecting old reloading tools, might be you
could look at the local library or get some on interlibrary loan.
Anyway, a common reloading setup was a tong-type tool, some of these
had a bullet mold in the end and bullet sizing arrangements in the
body. If the tool did any case sizing at all, it was neck-sizing.
There'd be a chamber for seating and crimping the completed round.
Sometimes there was a capper-decapper built in, sometimes this was a
separate tool. A lot of single shot cartridges were Berdan primed
originally, a fellow used an ice pick-type tool to pry the old caps
out, cleaned the pockets out and pressed the new caps in. There's a
good description of what the old buffalo hunters had to do to keep
things shooting in the book "The Rifle in America" by Phil Sharpe.
There were no reloading presses as we know them back in the
buffalo-hunting period. Black powder was measured by volume unless
you were a really picky target shooter, so an adjustable measure and a
can of black powder were about all you needed, no scale. Maybe a drop
tube if you had to load compressed loads.
Stan
Warren G. Riekenberg
a bench press. I still use the decapping die in that manner when I only want
to decap, not resize. (Prior to case cleaning.) Quigley would not have had a
310 tool, though - it's a much later development.
Warren Riekenberg
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#
# This sounds like an inexpensive way to get started. Not much investment if
# it turns out you really don't want to do much reloading.
#
# Do the dies that fit this sort of a hand press work in a larger bench
# mounted press?
#
# Thanks in advance.
#
# Les
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it Winchester who used to sell a Ideal reloading tool with every rifle?
Paul Thompson
Warren G. Riekenberg
think I've seen pictures in Gun Digest of reloading tools made by Winchester
that resembled the early Ideal, with the die portion more or less built into
the handle. I suppose it's possible they were made by Ideal for Winchester.
I'd look it up, but searching through fifty years of Gun Digests is too much
to ask; I still hope to go to the range today.
Warren Riekenberg
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# # Could these supplies have fit in a saddle bag?
#
# QUITE easily, in fact there were several rigs from that era DESIGNED to fit
# in a small bag or knap-sack (any of the Ideal reloading sets that included
# the press AND the bullet mold in a single, small, hand-held fixture!). I
# have several of the old DuPont saddlebag cans of blackpowder from that era.
# These cans held a half-pound of BP and were the shape and size of a
# hip-flask. They could easily be carried in a pants pocket (it's what they
# were designed for). A half-pound of powder is 3500 grains....the Quigley
# Rifle was shooting a .45-150 round.
Actually it was a .45-110. I've never heard of a .45-150. My Sharps
used to be a .45-120 until I rebarrelled; had the new barrel chambered
in .45-100 (price of brass is a boatload more reasonable than for the
..45-3+1/4 cases).
# At 150 gr. of powder per round,
Doubt anybody could cram 150 gr. of BP into one of those cases. You
might be thinking of the .50-140....
# So was it maybe not quite accurate, but
# # stretching the actual truth a bit? (like other parts of the movie?)
#
# Gee, in a shooting context....just what part of the movie do YOU think was
# "stretched"?
Well, if you've ever pulled butts for a Quigley-type or Creedmoor BPCR
event, you'd know that at 600 yards and beyond the bullets have long
since gone subsonic, so the scene where the two BGs get taken out by one
bullet is inaccurate when the rifle report shows up about 5 seconds
after the bullet. At the implied range, it should be the other way
around. :-)
-jc-
Bill VH
<CICSP...@netscape.net> writes:
# the scene where the two BGs get taken out by one
#bullet is inaccurate when the rifle report shows up about 5 seconds
#after the bullet. At the implied range, it should be the other way
#around. :-)
#
I thought Quigley even seeing that bucket setting on the ground at
the "implied" range was stretching it a bit too.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none.
peter wezeman
# In article <c3mpsa$3ou$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, "Hidalgo" <lbo...@yahoo.com>
# writes:
#
# # And if the reloading supplies were in the saddle bags,
# #they must not have been too bulky or large.
# #
# #So.... how accurate is this? It seems that reloading would have required at
# #primers, a bullet mold or supply of pre-cast bullets, and a quantity of
# #powder. And given the size of those cartridges, quite a bit of powder....
# #;-)
#
# The buffalo hunters of our past cast their own bullets and hand loaded
# the used brass. Of course they mostly had a wagon to transport their
# stuff in. But how much you'd have to carry would depend on how much
# you intended to shoot and how available a resupply would be. Remember
# that as the story started he was going to work on a ranch. The bullet mould,
# hand press, and *some* lead, powder and primers should fit in a saddle
# bag.
#
Centerfire cartridge cases were sometimes referred to as "everlasting"
(TM?) cases, presumably to distinguish them from the earlier rimfire
cases which could not be reloaded. I do not know what the typical case
life was at that time. There was sometimes a problem with with the
residue from the mercuric primers of that time corroding the brass cases.
Peter WEzeman
anti-social Darwinist
John
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-jc-
So what do these lumps of lead sound like at long range, do they
swish through the air as in the movie Billy Two Hats.?
(young Billy heard it comming and had plenty of time to duck.)
John L.
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Dave Berry
sound like..sizzle...caliber wise they are bigger but weigh about the
same..about an ounce of lead or so...I heard them, but by the time I heard
them they were already by me so I would not have had time to react..by the
way..I moved from where I was standing which was just over the crest of a
hill, when I realised people below were firing at deer on the hillside below
me and missing...
--
David J Berry, CCI, Inc.
Project Leader, NAVAIRSYSCOM Central Kitting Activity, Orange Park, FL
235 Industrial Loop, Orange Park Florida 32073
904-264-8091
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# So what do these lumps of lead sound like at long range, do they
# swish through the air as in the movie Billy Two Hats.?
# (young Billy heard it comming and had plenty of time to duck.)
I never saw that movie, but yes, you can "hear them coming". I'd guess
you have about a half-second to seek cover....
-jc-
William
# John wrote:
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# # John Chase <CICSP...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<c49jn2$4rp$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>...
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# # -jc-
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# # (young Billy heard it comming and had plenty of time to duck.)
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# I never saw that movie, but yes, you can "hear them coming". I'd guess
# you have about a half-second to seek cover....
#
# -jc-
If the lead is moving slower than the speed of sound.
John
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Well I did mention Loonngg range. Billy Two Hats looked to
be something like 900/ 1000 yards away when this old coot
cut loose. I figgered sub-sonic.
As I remember it he heard the bang first and the bullet
slauntered past bit later. I love a good Western.
John.
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k
C'mon....Hollywood would NEVER stray from the absolute truth! hahaha
Seriously though, seems to me that when Lee Precision first got into the
business a few years ago, they had a complete kit that would let you reload
without the need of a bench press...seems like they had a hand thingamajig
so you could actually reload while watching TV. Seems like thats what put
Lee on the map before they started making bench presses.... Maybe they had
something like that back in Quigley's day?
Just my 2 cents worth...I could be all wrong. I don't remember as well as I
used to! :>)
Kelly in south central Idaho
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Jim Gaynor
number of them. If are reusing fired cases in the same gun as Quigley was
there is not much need for full length sizing which in turn is about the
only time you "need" a bench press unless production is a factor.
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Mike Bott
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/index.htm
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Mike
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:20:54 +0000 (UTC), "k" <kela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hollywood? NOT QUITE ACCURATE?
C'mon....Hollywood would NEVER stray from the absolute truth! hahaha
Seriously though, seems to me that when Lee Precision first got into the
business a few years ago, they had a complete kit that would let you reload
without the need of a bench press...seems like they had a hand thingamajig
so you could actually reload while watching TV. Seems like thats what put
Lee on the map before they started making bench presses.... Maybe they had
something like that back in Quigley's day?
Just my 2 cents worth...I could be all wrong. I don't remember as well as I
used to! :>)
Kelly in south central Idaho
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Keith Whaley
k wrote:
# Hollywood? NOT QUITE ACCURATE?
#
# C'mon....Hollywood would NEVER stray from the absolute truth! hahaha
#
# Seriously though, seems to me that when Lee Precision first got into the
# business a few years ago, they had a complete kit that would let you reload
# without the need of a bench press...seems like they had a hand thingamajig
# so you could actually reload while watching TV.
If I had an acquaintance who reloaded while watching TV, he'd never go
shooting with ME again! Whew!
keith whaley
# Seems like thats what put
# Lee on the map before they started making bench presses.... Maybe they had
# something like that back in Quigley's day?
#
# Just my 2 cents worth...I could be all wrong. I don't remember as well as I
# used to! :>)
#
# Kelly in south central Idaho