What is a 40 Super?

[James Bergman]

There seems to be yet another 40 caliber round out there
called a 40 Super. I thought all the possible variations in
40 semi-auto rounds had been covered by now. I know what
40 S&W, .400 Cor-Bon, 10mm cartridges are but what is a 40 Super?

What case is it based on?
Ballistics, bullet weights etc...

Is a 40 Super just a 40S&W loaded to some very high pressure?

What is the point of it given the 10mm, .400Cor-bon etc...

Please reply to Group.

-thanks,

Jimbo

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http://www.triton-ammo.com/index1.html

Click on "New - The 40 Super"

[Ronald Shin]

James Bergman wrote:

# There seems to be yet another 40 caliber round out there
# called a 40 Super. I thought all the possible variations in
# 40 semi-auto rounds had been covered by now. I know what
# 40 S&W, .400 Cor-Bon, 10mm cartridges are but what is a 40 Super?

This is directly from Triton's website:

"In 1996 Triton began development of a new cartridge designed to achieve even
greater velocity and energy. The .40 Super began as a .45 Super necked to .40
caliber. In an effort to maximize case capacity, the cartridge case was
lengthened to .992" (same as the 10mm). Final design improvements included an
increased thickness of the cartridge case walls and the use of a small primer
pocket"

"The .40 Super will drive a 135 grain bullet to an unprecedented 1,800 feet
per second while generating less chamber pressure than the Winchester 9 X 23.
With a 200 grain bullet, the .40 Super delivers more foot/pounds of energy at
100 yards than the .45 ACP does at the muzzle.

#From a reloader's standpoint, there is tremendous versatility in the .40
Super. Bullet weights currently on the market range from 125 to 200 grains.
Loads can be developed with a dozen powders. Small Pistol Magnum or Small
Rifle primers can be utilized. Brass is available from both Triton and
Starline Brass Company. "

[aaron]

In article <886i4d$pvq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, James Bergman
<jber...@slip.net> wrote:

#There seems to be yet another 40 caliber round out there
#called a 40 Super. I thought all the possible variations in
#40 semi-auto rounds had been covered by now. I know what
#40 S&W, .400 Cor-Bon, 10mm cartridges are but what is a 40 Super?

I've heard of the .45 Super, but nothing about a .40 Super. Maybe someone
got mixed up?

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[Ron Seiden]

Very simply, it is to the .40S&W what the .45 Super is to the .45acp.
Basically, brass with extra strength in the web (where they tend to be
unsupported) plus extra power recoil spring -- ammo that looks the same
on the outside but is loaded to much higher pressures for greater
velocity. Another way to get 10mm performance out of a shorter
cartridge.

James Bergman wrote:
> ...

[Ragnar (no, not THE Ragnar)]

There was an article in one of the gun rags several months ago. As I recall,
..40 Super was a necked-down .45ACP. Yet another answer in search of a
question, it seems.

Ragnar

[Robert Silvers]

"James Bergman" <jber...@slip.net> wrote in message
news:886i4d$pvq$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu...
# There seems to be yet another 40 caliber round out there
# called a 40 Super. I thought all the possible variations in
# 40 semi-auto rounds had been covered by now. I know what
# 40 S&W, .400 Cor-Bon, 10mm cartridges are but what is a 40 Super?
#
# What case is it based on?
# Ballistics, bullet weights etc...
#
# Is a 40 Super just a 40S&W loaded to some very high pressure?
#
# What is the point of it given the 10mm, .400Cor-bon etc...
#
# Please reply to Group.
#
# -thanks,

It is a .45 Super necked to .40. A .45 Super is a .45 ACP with thicker brass
loaded to higher pressure. The .40 Super is the same idea as .400 Cor-Bon
but more powerful. The company that makes it (www.triton-ammo.com) is
Cor-Bon's rival (and also seems to be both better and cheaper).

[James Bergman]

Wow!

Triton lists a 40 Super load with 135gr bullet at 1800fps
and another loading with a 200gr bullet @1300fps.
That is true .41 magnum performance.

I wonder about their idea of converting any .45ACP pistol to
this round however. Seems like it would hammer the gun pretty hard...

-thanks for the info!

Jimbo

[Ergo Bob]

Sounds like an iterreting cart. Only trouble is they only sell complete
pistols. They won't sell you a kit to convert your 45 to a 40 Super.
Bob

[m1911]

Why would you want to buy a ".40 Super"? Buy a 10mm and be done with the
whole deal.

Ergo Bob wrote in message <88emd3$nu7$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
> ...

[p9...@my-deja.com]

Not true about complete pistols only:

You can purchase a drop-in or competition barrel for a 1911, Sig P220,
H&K USP .45. and the Glock .45 models. I'm working to convert an H&K
USP .45 to .40 Super. It does not have the punishing chamber pressures
of the 10mm or .45 Super, and it outperforms both!! Check with Bar-Sto,
Jarvis and others for barrels. You don't have to chage the spring in
your USP, but you may need a stronger one in a 1911. I think
progressive law enforcement agencies will be taking a close look at
this cartridge for a lot of good reasons.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

[David C.]

Ergo Bob <erg...@aol.com> wrote:
: "You can purchase a drop-in or competition barrel for a 1911, Sig P220,

: H&K USP .45. and the Glock .45 models. I'm working to convert an H&K
: USP .45 to .40 Super. It does not have the punishing chamber pressures
: of the 10mm or .45 Super, and it outperforms both!! Check with Bar-Sto,
: Jarvis and others for barrels. You don't have to chage the spring in
: your USP, but you may need a stronger one in a 1911. I think
: progressive law enforcement agencies will be taking a close look at
: this cartridge for a lot of good reasons."

: Are the barrels availabe from Bar-Sto and Jarvis? Last time I checked with them
: they were not. Bob

According to Barsto (email I received) .40 Super barrels are available. I
can't remember what the price was though. I had asked about a .40 Super
barrel for my Springfield V-16 .45 Super. --David C.--

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[Miklós Gerendás]

Ron Seiden wrote:
#
# Very simply, it is to the .40S&W what the .45 Super is to the .45acp.

That not true. The .40 Super has the same base diameter as a .45 ACP.
The case is necked down to .40.

# velocity. Another way to get 10mm performance out of a shorter
# cartridge.

Both cartridges have the SAME length! (10mm and .40 Super)

So it is more a .400 CorBon "Super" or "Magnum",
even if Peter Pi will not like this description.

Miklos