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Colt AR-15 A3..How Good?

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Gunnett

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Oct 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/15/97
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Just picked up a new Colt AR-15A3 in .223 with a Nato 1/9 HBAR barrel. It all
the Pre-ban equipment on it and is serial number LBD 003XXX and cost $795.00.
I was wondering if there had been any problem with the gun and what
improvement I might make to it a better target/duty weapon. Before anyone
asks, yes I'm allowed to own it.

Thank you in advance..


Gunnett

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Oct 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/16/97
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Forgot to say that it is a Colt AR-15 Law Enf Carbine, Model AR6721

EChell454

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Oct 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/16/97
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#
#Just picked up a new Colt AR-15A3 in .223 with a Nato 1/9 HBAR barrel. It all
# the Pre-ban equipment on it and is serial number LBD 003XXX and cost
#$795.00.
# I was wondering if there had been any problem with the gun and what
# improvement I might make to it a better target/duty weapon. Before anyone
# asks, yes I'm allowed to own it.


No big problems to report on the AR-15A3 Tacticle Carbine. The zero from the
factory on mine was WAY off, but I was finally able to get it hitting in the
black. Don't you just love the engraving on the receiver "Restricted Military
/ Government / Law Enforcement / Export Use Only." The only minor changes
that I made to mine were the addition of a Trijicon front sight and a 3 point
sling. I have been using the Thermold 30 round magazines. They work great
and are inexpensive.


A J Mans

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Oct 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/16/97
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On 15 Oct 1997 10:54:08 -0400, gun...@aol.com (Gunnett) wrote:

#Just picked up a new Colt AR-15A3 in .223 with a Nato 1/9 HBAR barrel. It all

# the Pre-ban equipment on it and is serial number LBD 003XXX and cost $795.00.

# I was wondering if there had been any problem with the gun and what
# improvement I might make to it a better target/duty weapon. Before anyone
# asks, yes I'm allowed to own it.

1st, I wouldn't dare confuse a target weapon with a duty weapon.
Any, and everything that you change on the gun will just make it less
durable.

2nd, To become really proficient with that weapon... I'd get as far
away from the police range as possible. Go check the NRA Shooting
Sports USA (newspaper) for the next service rifle match. Attend one
and get the feel of whats going on. Then try to get your stuff
together to shoot in those matches.

Stuff I'd consider for it to make it MORE a target rifle would be:

1) Heavy Match sling (Turner ~$50 )
2) Two stage trigger (either an early Armalite, or the
Krieger/Milazzo~$150)
3) Free float tube, you'd probably want the internal model so noone
would notice your dumping money into a service gun $180.

If you intend to do the assault combat super urban ninja thing with
it. Call up TI/Raytheon and ask if they're allowed to sell their
rifle scope to civilian law enforcement. I'd expect to pay arround
$10k for this item. But you can see in light or dark with it.
(passive IR)

JAM

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Oct 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/20/97
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I have owned an A3 for a couple of years. No problems at all so far.
The best things you can do with it is to replace the trigger. Your
choice as to what kind of trigger. After that, maybe sights and a
floating barrel, but the trigger is a must.

Gunnett wrote:
#
# Just picked up a new Colt AR-15A3 in .223 with a Nato 1/9 HBAR barrel. It all


# the Pre-ban equipment on it and is serial number LBD 003XXX and cost $795.00.
# I was wondering if there had been any problem with the gun and what
# improvement I might make to it a better target/duty weapon. Before anyone
# asks, yes I'm allowed to own it.

#
# Thank you in advance..


eri...@colt380.com

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Oct 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/21/97
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# Gunnett wrote:
# #
# # Just picked up a new Colt AR-15A3 in .223 with a Nato 1/9 HBAR barrel. It all
# # the Pre-ban equipment on it and is serial number LBD 003XXX and cost $795.00.
# # I was wondering if there had been any problem with the gun and what
# # improvement I might make to it a better target/duty weapon. Before anyone
# # asks, yes I'm allowed to own it.

# #
# # Thank you in advance..

Have had mine for almost two years now. Trigger is just fine, especially with the shooting I've done breaking it in quite nicely. Since it's my "duty" carbine, this only add-ons I did
to were: AimPoint 5000 (though I'd probably put the Comp-M or L/E versions if I were to do it now), a SureFire 6v light & a Giles sling. Other than that I wouldn't change it.

DVC,
Erick G
www.colt380.com

Tony

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Oct 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/27/97
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Friends,

Recently I’ve been reloading 80 gr. Sierra HPBT bullets for my DCM
“service” rifle (a “Peerless” built be Clint McKee). Despite my careful
efforts, some of the rounds will not chamber!

I used a Stony Point OAL gauge to measure the cartridge base-to-ogive
length as 1.851 inches (this being the length at which the bullet just
touches the lands). Then, I seated the bullet 0.02 off the lands, or
1.831 inches.

I loaded 40 rounds seated at 1.831 inches and, at the range, noted that
seven rounds would not chamber! If I forced the rounds and extracted
them, I could clearly see land marks on the bullet! When I returned home
I again measured these rounds *carefully* with the Stoney Point bullet
comparator, and confirmed that they are seated no longer than 1.831
inches.

I am really stumped by this one. Why would seven rounds, loaded to 0.02
off the lands, not chamber, or if they did, require excessive force?

Help!

Tony


Fluid

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Oct 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/28/97
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Someone wrote:
#=20
# Recently I=92ve been reloading 80 gr. Sierra HPBT bullets for my DCM
# =93service=94 rifle (a =93Peerless=94 built be Clint McKee). Despite m=
y careful
# efforts, some of the rounds will not chamber!


Several possibilities come to mind. A grain or two of unburned powder
under the casehead could cause this, especially if the load is pretty
dirty shooting. Or, your ccases may not be entering the seating die
fully due to some intermittent interference in the press.

Most probably, the bullets have differing ogive contours. This is more
common than many people believe, and is most evident on bullets with a
long sweeping nose when seated very close to the lands. Regardless of
what the Stoney Point tool says, I would guess that the bullets are not
identical in ogive contour. Seat 'em all a bit deeper ( say 0.01-0.02"
) and see if this corrects the problem. If not, anyone else have an
idea?

Jay T


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Oct 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/29/97
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Fluid <fl...@alaska.net> wrote:

#Someone wrote:
##=20
## Recently I=92ve been reloading 80 gr. Sierra HPBT bullets for my DCM
## =93service=94 rifle (a =93Peerless=94 built be Clint McKee). Despite m=
#y careful
## efforts, some of the rounds will not chamber!


#Several possibilities come to mind. A grain or two of unburned powder
#under the casehead could cause this, especially if the load is pretty
#dirty shooting. Or, your ccases may not be entering the seating die
#fully due to some intermittent interference in the press.

#Most probably, the bullets have differing ogive contours. This is more
#common than many people believe, and is most evident on bullets with a
#long sweeping nose when seated very close to the lands. Regardless of
#what the Stoney Point tool says, I would guess that the bullets are not
#identical in ogive contour. Seat 'em all a bit deeper ( say 0.01-0.02"
#) and see if this corrects the problem. If not, anyone else have an
#idea?

#Jay T

I never cease to be amazed at the people who load semi-auto ammo and
"eye-ball" the specs on crimp diameter and OAL. Get a good steel
micrometer and load to spec.

TIM...@teleweb.net

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Nov 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/2/97
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Soulmate wrote:
#
# # Get a good steel micrometer and load to spec.
#
# Excellent advice. One of the first things I bought for
# myself when I started reloading was good dial caliper
# (or micrometer) I use this to check everything from
# bullet diameters to OAL... I even mic out commercial
# loads just to compare them to mine. Every reloader
# should have one..
#
# sgt

I've heard that it is a good idea to use "small base" reloading dies
when loading for a semi-auto.

Tim


TIM...@teleweb.net

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Nov 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/2/97
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Steve Church

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Nov 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/7/97
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In article <63a4pd$s...@xring.cs.umd.edu>, soul...@mindspring.com says...
#
## Get a good steel micrometer and load to spec.

#
# Excellent advice. One of the first things I bought for
#myself when I started reloading was good dial caliper
#(or micrometer) I use this to check everything from
#bullet diameters to OAL... I even mic out commercial
#loads just to compare them to mine. Every reloader

#should have one..
#
#sgt
#
#
#
A good cartridge gauge can be used to spot problems before you attempt to
chamber in actual firearm. Call Dillon or Sinclair.

sac

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