Handloads for 22/30 cal. sabots for 30/06?

[littlebill]

Hello -

I want to experiment with those 30 caliber sabots that hold 223 55 grain
bullets.
The website lists some hypothetical loads that they indicate a velocity of
over 3500 fps,
using a full powder charge.

I was more interersted in a 30/06 load that would push a 55 grain slug at
about 2500 - 2700 fps.

Any experienced users out there?

Any advise on where to start, to develope loads from scratch? Would
extrapolating lead reloads
be a reasonable way to start, assuming I'd adjust the initial load to be a
minimum charge?

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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[Larry Fishel]

Honest question: What would be the point of using the smaller bullets
if you're going to load them down to .30-06 velocities?

I assume that by the time you added the sabots, they would cost as
much or more than .30 cal bullets, have greater drop, less accuracy
and less power... I don't see an up side...

[sta...@prolynx.com]

What website is that? Remington had loaded ammo but never supplied
them as components for handloading so you're in the dark for pressure-
tested data. Some of the salvage/surplus operators have advertised
them from time to time, was never tempted myself. Extrapolating is a
good way to end up with a damaged gun, unless you've got pressure-
testing facilities. Chances are that factory loads used non-canister
powders which probably are not available. Reviews when the loaded
ammo was available were uniformly of the opinion that accuracy was
mediocre at best. I've got a .223 now that fills that niche, so no
real attraction there for me. If you want varmint loads in .30
caliber, you'd be better off working up something in the 110-130gr.
range. If you want short-range light loads, Bullseye and buckshot or
a cast bullet and Red Dot.

Stan

[jabr...@hughes.net]

Try this site for Sabot Load info.

http://www.jdcomponents.com/loadinfo/loadinfo.html

I have tried 55, 62, 69, 80 gr .223 bullets with 30 cal Sabots.

I have loaded for 308, 30.06, 300 Win Mag.

I have found the heavier the 223 bullet the better the accuracy especially
when loading for the 300 Win Mag.

Sabot are okay and generally zing out the barrel at 3-5000+ fps depending on
caliber and powder load, they are not as accurate compared to the normal 30
cal bullets normally fired from these rifles.

Sabot bullets will not function the mechanism of a semi-auto rifle so these
are primarily for bolt gun use only, unless you don't mind manually cycling
the action between rounds.

I recommend the seating tool sold by the company on the website as an aid in
handloading so you don't deform the sabot during the reloading operation..

Jeff

[littlebill]

Loads are listed for various 30 cal. cartridges - 30/30 , 308 Win, 30/06,
etc, on this website:

http://www.jdcomponents.com/index.html

I was just inquiring if anyone had some experience with these sabots.
I would assume that the plastic sabot would have much less friction drag in
the
rifle bore, than jacketed bullets, or even lead slugs, so peak pressures
should / may / ??
be less than for a given powder charge.

Bill.

*Please keep in mind that the data is for reference only*

*case capacity calculations*
----------------------------------
*Caution*
Cartridge case capacity may vary 5-10% between brands.
Cartridge type - .30-06
Bullet Type - .22/sabot
Bullet Weight - 55
Bullet Diameter (IN) - .308
Overall Cartridge Length (IN) - 2.9
Case Length (IN) - 2.484
Full Case Capacity (GR WATER) - 69
Bullet Length (IN) - .72
Barrel Length (IN) - 22
Bullet Seating Depth (IN) - .304
Displaced Water (GR) - 5.717
Effective Water Capacity Of Case (GR) - 63.283
Effective Barrel Length (IN) - 19.82

**lfd1 Cartridge Load Development** 04-26-93
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Cartridge Data - .30-06
Caliber - .308 IN
Bullet Weight - 55 GR
Barrel Length - 19.82 in
Case Capacity - 63.283 GR Of Water (CALC)
Bullet Diameter- .308 in
Sectional Density - .083
Volume Ratio - 6.8
Cartridge Tempreture - 70 Degrees F.
Powder Class - MEDIUM FAST POWDERS
Powder Type - IMR-3031, RX11, H335, AA2230, S3032, WW748, N-201 *Check
Manual*
Charge/Bullet Weight - 1.038
Calc. Powder Charge - 67.1 GR
Load den - 90.2%
Est. Muzzle Velocity - 4200 FT/SEC
Est. Peak Pressure - 44400 PSI
Alt Powder type: -
Powder Class - Alternate powder selection not available.

***For starting loads reduce Calc. powder charge by at least 10%***

**Alternate load information** 04-26-93
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Cartridge Data -
Powder Type - IMR-3031, RX11, H335, AA2230, S3032, WW748, N-201
*Check
Manual*

Load Density Charge Weight Velocity Pressure
% GR FPS
PSI
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
75 47.5 3500
30700
80 50.6 3700
34900
85 53.8 4000
39400
90 57.0 4200
44200 *
95 61.1 4400
49200 *
100 63.3 4700
54600 *

* Warning -- HIGH PRESSURE - REFERENCE ONLY !