8mm Mauser ammo - any sources?
James Knowles
I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in excellent
condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
I got it as a learning tool. I'm comfortable with handguns, but (until now) have
had no real experience with rifles. The friend who was with me thought this would
be a great introduction to rifles for not many $$$. (He has a couple of .308
Mausers.) I don't have any plans to do anything with this rifle other than
occational target shooting.
I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly about half of
it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could rechamber the gun, but if
I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be just as happy plinking with that.
Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
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James Knowles <jam...@ifm-services.com> wrote:
#I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in excellent
#condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
Congrats, they are fun and reliable rifles.
# I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly
# about half of it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could
# rechamber the gun, but if I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be
# just as happy plinking with that.
OK, hold it... it could be that the ammo you got is really that bad. But,
it could be that your rifle has a headspace problem.
Some of these rifles have seen a lot of action and the barrels have
settled forward in the threads, and the bolt lugs beaten backwards,
causing the "headspace" or amount of fore-to-aft room in the chamber to
increase microscopically.
The cartridge could be shuttling forward under the impulse of the firing
pin, robbing it of the ability to punch the primer hard enough. This is
the least of your problems in a rifle with excessive headspace.
If it does succeed in ignition, the brass case expands and grabs the
chamber up front (at the thin case mouth, as it is supposed to do to
provide a gas seal). The rest of the case will then stretch backwards to
accomodate all that extra room in the chamber. It shouldn't have stretch
more than about .006". A firing pin extends about .050" to .060". If the
case is stretching that much, it can tear in half at the middle, venting
50,000+ PSI gas, which can do nasty things like tear the wooden stock in
half, blow the magazine cover out the bottom, blow the extractor off to
the moon, injure you, etc.
This is called case head seperation and it is bad, bad, bad.
Find some gunsmith who has a set of 8mm Mauser Go and NoGo gauges. These
are inserted in the rifle and the bolt closed. It should close on the GO
and not close on the NoGo. You can buy these yourself for less than $20
each at Jantz Supply http://www.jantzsupply.com
#Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
Just about any gun show is stacked to the rafters with Turkish surplus
nowadays. Take a look at JG Sales http://www.jgsales.com and Cheaper
than Dirt for S&B ammo, which is good, reloadable stuff. US made 8mmx57
ammo has undersized bullets and is underloaded, in case they get used in
a 8x57J chamber (.318" bore, Commission 88, Mauser '92) instead of an
8x57JS chamber (.323" bore, most '98 actions). Accuracy and performance
is poor.
Ken.
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#
# I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's
in excellent
# condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
# snip....
# I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly
about half of
# it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey.
# jam...@ifm-services.com
Are you sure the fireing pin is striking the primer hard enough.
I bought some surplus german ammo from midwayusa and got what looked
like junk with some bullets and cases showing heavy corrosion (it came
in century arms boxes). Some bullets are nickel coated, some are copper
coated steel and some are a copper alloy. Dates went back to 1911.
Bullets weights were around 150, 170 and 190. After sorting by
headstamps, I fired some. All rounds fired (included those with
previously dented primers). Velocities were good, around 2450fps for
the heavy bullets and 2700fps for the light ones. One group of 5 had an
ES of 8fps, and they were headstamped 1923!
They were fired in a 43 mauser made by puch-styer.
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Snake
Try Shotgun News. Also you might try Natchez Shooters supply, they
carry military surplus ammo and list 8mm Turkish Ball at $4.80 a box.
> ...
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Click on "ammunition"
scroll down to "Turkish 8mm Mauser"
That is 7 cents a shot delivered!
It cost 4 cents a shot to deliver it!
That means Century is only getting 3 cents a shot.
Trefor Thomas
wrote:
#
#I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in excellent
#condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
#
#I got it as a learning tool. I'm comfortable with handguns, but (until now) have
#had no real experience with rifles. The friend who was with me thought this would
#be a great introduction to rifles for not many $$$. (He has a couple of .308
#Mausers.) I don't have any plans to do anything with this rifle other than
#occational target shooting.
#
#I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly about half of
#it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could rechamber the gun, but if
#I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be just as happy plinking with that.
#
#Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
Are you going to reload? Any ammo gets expensive if you fire a lot
of it, unless you reload. My suggestion would be to get a small
reloading set and buy some commercial unprimed brass. Cost won't be a
real factor for the brass, because as long as you keep the pressures
reasonable, the brass can be re-used many times.
Trefor Thomas
To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated.
Jim Barber
gun to shoot and is a great caliber...very underrated. You can buy ammo for
it without much trouble, but the major manufactures stuff is $$$....if you
reload, you can buy brass for around $26 hundred. I even cast bullets for
mine and that's great too. Have fun and enjoy...it's a very accurate round
in the right rifle......Jim B
Buckshot
Try Century Arms or SOG. They both have it as do several
other places.
Buckshot
bussard
James Knowles <jam...@ifm-services.com> wrote in message
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#
# I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in
excellent
# condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
#
# I got it as a learning tool. I'm comfortable with handguns, but (until
now) have
# had no real experience with rifles. The friend who was with me thought
this would
# be a great introduction to rifles for not many $$$. (He has a couple of
..308
# Mausers.) I don't have any plans to do anything with this rifle other than
# occational target shooting.
#
# I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly about
half of
# it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could rechamber the
gun, but if
# I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be just as happy plinking with
that.
#
# Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
I got some on strippers at a show for 15$ for 140 rounds. Dunhams sporting
goods has a similar deal.
Mike
xfo...@netins.net
It has lots of cheap 8 mm ammo.
Tim
Bruce Showalter
James Knowles wrote in message <91dfv9$nt6$1...@xring.cs.umd.edu>...
#
#I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in
excellent
#condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
#
#I got it as a learning tool. I'm comfortable with handguns, but (until now)
have
#had no real experience with rifles. The friend who was with me thought this
would
#be a great introduction to rifles for not many $$$. (He has a couple of
.308
#Mausers.) I don't have any plans to do anything with this rifle other than
#occational target shooting.
#
half of
#it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could rechamber the gun,
but if
#I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be just as happy plinking with
that.
#
#Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
Any number of the bulk online outfits sell what is porported to be 8mm
ammo, but if you are interested in accuracy, ask them specificly what the
bullet diameter is before you order it! I just bought a bunch of the
Turkish 8mm and found out to late that it is .318 rather than .323. The
older (pre 1918?) standard of .318 will fire but has lousey accuracy.
Regards
Bruce
Bill Barott
for your 8mm, and I have a few questions if you don't mind.
1) What mould(s) do you use,
2) how/with what do you lube 'em,
3) do you use gas checks, and
4) how hot do you load them??
Would very much like to cast some for my '48 yugo. Thanks in advance.
B.
Jim Barber wrote:
> ...
Robb
wrote:
#
#I bought an old WWII surplus 8mm Mauser at a gun show for $60. It's in excellent
#condition and fires well (got back from range this morning <g>).
#
#I got it as a learning tool. I'm comfortable with handguns, but (until now) have
#had no real experience with rifles. The friend who was with me thought this would
#be a great introduction to rifles for not many $$$. (He has a couple of .308
#Mausers.) I don't have any plans to do anything with this rifle other than
#occational target shooting.
#
#I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly about half of
#it doesn't fire. Primer seems to be real flakey. I could rechamber the gun, but if
#I could find a case or two of 8mm ammo I'd be just as happy plinking with that.
#
#Any idea where some more ammo might be found?
Robb
#
#
# Try Shotgun News. Also you might try Natchez Shooters supply, they
#carry military surplus ammo and list 8mm Turkish Ball at $4.80 a box.
# > ...
That's too much. You shouldn't pay more than $2 or $3 for a box of 15.
Robb
> ...
Isn't 8X57 a different bullet than 8mm? I thought that there were 2
8mm's and you weren't supposed to tmix the 2.
Snake
That is a box of 70, at about $.68 pe rnd. SOG lists the same thing for
$4.34 a box of 70.
FBC3
#I picked up some surplus 8mm ammo (7.92x57(?)), but not surprisingly about
#half of
#it doesn't fire.
That's the experience I had. The surplus stuff is old! Buy some fresh new
sporting ammo and start reloading. Fred
JOHN GARAND
#On 16 Dec 2000 00:51:57 -0500, "Jim Barber" <jb...@bright.net> wrote:
#
# > ...
#
#Isn't 8X57 a different bullet than 8mm? I thought that there were 2
#8mm's and you weren't supposed to tmix the 2.
Both are 8x57mm, or (as known in Europe) 7.92x57mm. One is the
8x57mmJ or I with a .318" bore. The later version is the 8x57mm JS or
IS with a .323" bore. The JS version was adopted by the German Army
in 1905, with all weapons then in the government's inventory being
recalled and converted to the larger bore size (over a period of
time). Some 1888 "Commission" rifles were converted as late as WW I
so they could be used without the need for separate ammunition supply.
Commercial production (primarily smaller gunsmiths, not the Mauser
Company, Steyr, or any others with military contracts) continued to
use the J .318" bore well after that date.
David St. Hubbins
SOG
rob
the problem was that there was too much grease around the fireing pin
and spring, I cleaned and lightly lubed the gun and it then worked great
hope this helps
BRYAN R CASINGER
of the other companies buy from them to begin with. AND all the Century
prices include shipping. They have sales pretty often, which are great. I
just bought 1400 rds of Turkish 8x57 for $75, DELIVERED! Do the math.....
And the Turkish stuff is about the best I have shot...a little dirty, but
hands down the most accurate stuff to go through my guns. I have
chronographed the stuff and it is very consistent. It gave me better groups
than the Remington factory stuff, and even the expensive Norma stuff in both
my Vergueiro and my Turk Mausers. The other companies also carry this ammo,
which comes on stripper clips and in bandoleers. Good shooting!
John&Amy
been much more accurate. I wonder why it costs more too?
What does it chrono out to? I weighed the bullet and it came in at 197
grains. I don't remember the powder weight.
"BRYAN R CASINGER" <brcas...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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# And the Turkish stuff is about the best I have shot...a little dirty, but
# hands down the most accurate stuff to go through my guns.
James Knowles
# the problem was that there was too much grease around the fireing pin
# and spring,
Thanks for the suggestion. Another gentleman suggested this, and so I checked
this.
I went to the range with a friend, and in examining the cases, he thinks that the
firing pin isn't striking hard enough, so Mr. Mauser is at the gun doctor for a
check-up.
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Brenster5
For a good source of Mauser info you should try Tuco's mauser forum. I'd
post a link for you but aol is not letting me do so to this forum. Or maybe I
just don't know the proper procedure. In any event, go to www.google.com (a
search engine), do a search for Tuco's mauser forum, and hit the link.
Wholesale Guns and Ammo ( www.gunsnammo.com TN (631) 234-7676) lists the
following 8mm mauser noncorrosive ammo at the following rate:
<Sellier & Bellot Mfr.
Brass, Bxer, N/C FMJ
$119.99 case of 400 RD>
I don't know about delivery charges and I have not used them yet myself.
HTH
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pro-hunters I put together with H414. Also, this ammo is fairly
powerful and consistent, my measurements were a SDEV of 21.4 with an
average velocity of 2805 fps (10 shot string).
B.
BRYAN R CASINGER wrote:
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Gunner Asch
#I have 7.62 and 7.9 dry packed and sealed.. 1000 rounds...
#
How much, what is the date and where is the manufacture? Corrosive or
not?
Id be interested in some amount, depending on #1, the price, and the
answers to the above to lesser degrees
zive...@gmail.com
I did have a few duds but not enough to discourage me from buying more. In case
you're not aware the Turk Ammo is corrosive. I used to spray Windex or auto battery
terminal cleaner down the bore, followed by a few pat ches before leaving the range.
The Windex will neutralize the acidic residue until you get home and clean it
properly. My 8MM rifles' bores never turn ed dark.
To stray slightly off subject. Turk 7.65 ammo is garbage and dangerous. It
has a tendency to hang fire.