Regarding the Ruger LCP 380
haro...@maonet.org
Kel-Tec's PT 380 because it has a slide stop plus you only have to
move the slide back about 1/16th of an inch to remove the pin for
disassembling it. With Kel-Tec's 380, which does not have a slide
stop, you have to hold the slide open with one hand and then extract
the pin with the other hand.. I find this a pain to do with arthritic
hands.
I've had one shooting range opportunity with it, so far. The only
problem I've come up with is that the last round does not eject
properly, but gets stuck in the ejector. I'm going to the range
tomorrow or Monday to see if a few more magazines full of rounds will
break it in. (I'm taking it for granted that it is a break in
problem.)
I posting this in case someone else is thinking of getting one and
would like to see some info on the gun. I'll post the results of my
next range visit here.
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# problem I've come up with is that the last round does not eject
# properly, but gets stuck in the ejector. �I'm going to the range
# tomorrow or Monday to see if a few more magazines full of rounds will
# break it in.
I was offered a chance to shoot an LCP at the gun club the other
month. The trigger and ergonomics are better than anticipated. As
expected reliability was perfect for the one magazine's worth of ball
ammo I got to shoot. The sights are at the low end of rudimentary but
I managed to put all my shots inside 12 inches at 25 yards (we were on
the rifle line so a more practical test was not an option that day).
I tend to draw my lower limit at a 38 J-frame but for a DAO 380 that
is scarcely larger than a Beretta 25 it might b a neat little gun to
carry when you're not carrying a gun.
greylock
> ...
Thanks. I would appreciate that.
Misifus
# I posting this in case someone else is thinking of getting one and
# would like to see some info on the gun. I'll post the results of my
# next range visit here.
#
Thank you. My wife thinks she'd like one for her next carry pistol.
(Yes, I am aware of the alleged shortcomings of this round, but my wife
subscribes to theory that the gun you carry with you is superior to the
one at home in the safe)
-Raf
Gunner Asch
> ...
Many many years ago..I bought one of these to carry as a backup when I
was working as a deputy
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/grendel.htm
They were a love/hate relationship for owners. The early ones were utter
shit. The last ones worked pretty damned well and reliably. I had sent
mine off to the factory..and a lady! smith and I discussed the issues
and she shipped me back my weapon slightly modified and improved..and
for the past 30 yrs..its been utterly utterly reliable in operation.
Its one of my house guns now days, tucked away in a concealed but easily
gotten to location. Its a tiny weapon, holds 10 rds plus 1
It will drop into a coat pocket and never leave a bulge, into a back
pocket etc etc. Of course it will feed even empty sized cases as well
as Speer Hollow Points.
And it will shoot a 4-5" group at 15 yrds if you you do your part.
They havent been made in Crom...25 yrs? But one can find one here and
there occasionally. They later came out with a slightly different
version that took a magazine...hummm P-12 as I recall
http://dailygunpictures.blogspot.com/2008/10/grendel-p12-pistol-380-acp.html
Jeff
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Jesla
MR
# You bought a Ruger LCP 380 30yrs. ago?
I think he is referring to the Grendel which is the earlier Kel Tecs.
Same designer etc.
MR
haro...@maonet.org
You reminded me of something I should have added about the LCP, I only
put full metal jackets through it. I don't know how it would handle
hollow points. I trust only FMJ in regard to protecting my own life.
My life, my choice.
10 Shots would be nice, but it also increases the weight factor, which
could be contributory to how and where you carry it, such as my story
about my keeping mine a box of Puffs while in the hospital. but the
extra 3 or 4 rounds would be added insurance.
haro...@maonet.org
wrote:
##
## I posting this in case someone else is thinking of getting one and
## would like to see some info on the gun. I'll post the results of my
## next range visit here.
##
#
#Thank you. My wife thinks she'd like one for her next carry pistol.
#(Yes, I am aware of the alleged shortcomings of this round, but my wife
#subscribes to theory that the gun you carry with you is superior to the
#one at home in the safe)
#
# -Raf
The "shortcomings" of this round - the .380, exists more in the
creative minds of the gun mag columnists. No, it is not the equal of
what comes out of my Commander or Defender, but again and again I read
about the killings done by this round in the ghettos. This is a short
range weapon and will do the job more than adequately in regard to
stopping some crackhead or just some plain evil bastard. When I had a
stint in the hospital about a year or so ago, I had my Kel-Tec PT 380
in a box of Puffs, stuck under the tissues. The nurses moved my box
of Puffs around day after day, never noticing the slight extra weight
of the Kel-Tec. Believe me, one day we'll read of some crazy, evil
bum walking into a hospital ward and killing at will until he is
stopped. I do intend to die in bed, but not that way. I want to be
ready for any nonsense coming down the pike, even in a hospital ward.
As for your wife's wanting a small .380, she's right. Up close and
personal barehanded with a bad guy, she's toast. Whipping out a small
Kel-Tec or Ruger will definitely decide things in her favor.
One problem, though, the trigger is a killer on trigger fingers. It
hurts like heck after 3 or 4 rounds. The trigger is so narrow, and
has to be pulled sooooo far back, it pinches the finger something
fierce. At least, it does mine and those of a few other people I know.
However, just because you aren't going to put 100 to 200 rounds
through it at every range visit, doesn't mean it won't save someone's
life when it hits the fan. Just take it to the range every month or
two to make sure it's still operating well. In regard to this, get
the Ruger LCP, it's an absolute snap to take apart and clean. The
Kel-Tec sucks in this regard.
Stop waiting and get it for her - NOW! Unless you know exactly when
she's going to get involved in a life and death situation, and want to
wait until then. That's much like those fools who ride motorcycles
with their helmets strapped to the rear carrier instead of on their
heads. They seem to think they know when and where the bad is going
to happen. They're wrong. Don't you be wrong.
Gunner Asch
#put full metal jackets through it. I don't know how it would handle
#hollow points. I trust only FMJ in regard to protecting my own life.
#My life, my choice.
#
I hope you aim well and go for the vulnerable points if you continue to
use FMJ. The .380 is at best..a very marginal self defense round..and
with FMJ... you may indeed kill the guy, but he will likely cut out your
heart, steal your stuff and then die a block or two away.
#10 Shots would be nice, but it also increases the weight factor, which
#could be contributory to how and where you carry it, such as my story
#about my keeping mine a box of Puffs while in the hospital. but the
#extra 3 or 4 rounds would be added insurance.
Gunner
Bluehawk99
Misifus
Oh, I am persuaded. It is she who must find time in her busy schedule
to visit a gun shop to confirm her impression that the LCP is a pistol
she will find easier to keep with her than her current choice, the XD
Mini in 9mm. It's coming, she's just taking her time working up to it.
It's her way.
-Raf
Jim
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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# #
# I hope you aim well and go for the vulnerable points if you continue to
# use FMJ. The .380 is at best..a very marginal self defense round..and
# with FMJ... you may indeed kill the guy, but he will likely cut out your
# heart, steal your stuff and then die a block or two away.
With a .380, penetration and reliable feeding are of paramount
consideration; expansion is unreliable at best.
I second the FMJ point of view, and carry an extra magazine.
RBnDFW
# Oh, I am persuaded. It is she who must find time in her busy schedule
# to visit a gun shop to confirm her impression that the LCP is a pistol
# she will find easier to keep with her than her current choice, the XD
# Mini in 9mm. It's coming, she's just taking her time working up to it.
# It's her way.
Raf,
I have an LCP, my current carry. I've also carried the KT pistols.
Recently I bought a Sig P238. The P238 is easier to handle, shoots
softer and more accurately. It has a real safety and real (Night!)
sights. And it's made of real metal. Only slightly larger than the LCP,
but considerably smaller than a .38 snubbie.
I'd carry that Sig 24/7 but it's just a bit larger and heavier than
I can comfortably pocket carry around the office. If I could carry a
purse a P238 would be in it.
If your wife is OK with SA you ought to have her shoot one.
Misifus
This bears further investigation. A friend showed us a couple of Colt
Mustangs that he has and my wife was quite taken with them. The P238
seems to be much like that discontinued Colt.
-Raf
Tony
# put full metal jackets through it. I don't know how it would handle
# hollow points. I trust only FMJ in regard to protecting my own life.
# My life, my choice.
I haven't shot a ton of rounds through it, but it has fed Speer Gold Dot
(my defensive round) and reloads using the Speer Bullets consistently
(in addition to FMJ, of course). I had bought a box of Remington
hollowpoints, but they had consistent failure to feed problems.
# 10 Shots would be nice, but it also increases the weight factor, which
# could be contributory to how and where you carry it, such as my story
# about my keeping mine a box of Puffs while in the hospital. but the
# extra 3 or 4 rounds would be added insurance.
That's why I carry two spare magazines in my back pocket.
RBnDFW
# This bears further investigation. A friend showed us a couple of Colt
# Mustangs that he has and my wife was quite taken with them. The P238
# seems to be much like that discontinued Colt.
Very much. Sig bought licensing rights to the design from Colt.
Most parts interchange, which is good, since Mustang parts were getting
hard to find. For example, magazines interchange, although grips do not.
The Sig has good sights, the Colt not so much.
I had a couple of Colts, sold 1 and bought a P238, and pocketed $250
difference. Why carry a collector item when you can buy a brand new,
improved copy for less?
Byron
Michael Medley
# Most parts interchange, which is good, since Mustang parts were getting
# hard to find. For example, magazines interchange, although grips do not.
# The Sig has good sights, the Colt not so much.
# I had a couple of Colts, sold 1 and bought a P238, and pocketed $250
# difference. Why carry a collector item when you can buy a brand new,
# improved copy for less?
#
The Colt Mustangs and Ponys are relegated to the status of 'Safe
Queens'
now that they've doubled in price.
Gunner Asch
#<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
#
#snip
#>I hope you aim well and go for the vulnerable points if you continue to
#>use FMJ. The .380 is at best..a very marginal self defense round..and
#>with FMJ... you may indeed kill the guy, but he will likely cut out your
#>heart, steal your stuff and then die a block or two away.
#>
#
#Nonsense.
#
#Ever Hear of a guy named Fackler?
ayup..sure have. And thanks for posting his work.
On the other hand..do you know a guy named Andy? He works for the local
sheriff department and does the write up on autopsies. He and a shit
load of cops, robbers and good and bad guys all pretty much agree with
the supposition that the .380 is at the absolute low end of the self
defense range.
But hey...carry what you want. This is indeed the USA, and one makes
ones own choices, be they good or bad, and lives or dies by them.
Gunner Asch, 230gr Gold Dots at 975fps
Long Ranger
FWIW, I have grown farther and farther away from the idea of expanding
bullets in a handgun, and especially hollowpoints. I'm a fan of heavy for
caliber hard bullets with at least some flat on the point. For the revolver,
I like lots of flat. The idea of a round nosed FMJ isn't the best, but I
think if it penetrates substantially farther than a hollowpoint, it's got
the edge. Check the link for some interesting reading on handgun
effectiveness. This is good thinking to me, and I love what is said about
over-penetration.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
This one is primarily about suppressors, but contains some good reading on
expanding bullets versus blunt hard bullets.
http://guns.connect.fi/gow/highpow.html
Ralph Mowery
I guess the wheel goes around. About 20 or 30 years ago I read an artical
that looked good to me. It was about using the simi-waddcutters in a
revolver. The just of it was that you do not need to depend on 'trick'
bullets and they will always perform the same.
While not ideal, I usually load the high capacity guns with alternating hard
ball and hollow points. Same as with my AR15. It gets FMJ and some soft
points.
RBnDFW
# # Very much. Sig bought licensing rights to the design from Colt.
# # Most parts interchange, which is good, since Mustang parts were getting
# # hard to find. For example, magazines interchange, although grips do not.
# # The Sig has good sights, the Colt not so much.
# # I had a couple of Colts, sold 1 and bought a P238, and pocketed $250
# # difference. Why carry a collector item when you can buy a brand new,
# # improved copy for less?
# #
#
# now that they've doubled in price.
yep, that's where mine are